OT: The Official COVID/Omicron Variant+ thread

[BKlutch]

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It pains me that someone likely has to die to learn the truth, but I suppose if this one death convinces others to do the right thing, many more won't die — given that each case infects >1 person, who then each infect >1 person, and so on.

[BKlutch]

The goal isn't just to get to herd immunity, it's to limit the number of people getting covid completely or if they do get it limit the amount of deaths and long term health consequences. "Herd immunity" is simply a byproduct of a majority of the population having antibodies for at least a certain amount of time if it can't be permanently without them suffering short and long term health consequences.

The difference is how we get to it and the consequences of the different methods is what I explained but you still don't seem to comprehend it's more important than just getting to it. You complain about other acting like experts then you go ahead and do it yourself while being factually inaccurate about your statements.

You say "all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little", which is flat out wrong. It prevent contracting it in many as well. The hospitals report it's like 99% of the admittances are unvaccinated, this is clearly demonstrating if you dont want to end up in the hospital get the vaccine, it's not complicated.

You keep posting and showing how ill informed you are about all of this including what other are saying to you. This much is abundantly clear.

The only thing abundantly clear is your lack of reading comprehension. The vaccine is NOT preventing the spread. Period. So...while it may POSSIBLY slow it down...Al it really does is lessen the severity of the virus. This is proven fact.

Saying Fact. Period. Without actual facts. Proves only that you like to say Fact. Period.

Fact. er, I mean, you're right.

[BKlutch]

People are talking about natural immunity, but the problem with that is that it fades over time and requires you first getting the virus. It's not a smart strategy to fight covid, essentially it's meaningless to even state. Of course catching the virus will give you temporary immunity to it, but it can also kill you or cause you long term negative effects.

You can't achieve herd immunity or eliminate this virus via natural immunity unless you sacrifice hundreds of thousands if not millions of more people. These anti-vaxxers are basically a giant petri dish for this virus to continue evolving, and then people wonder why vaccinated are still getting infected with variants like Delta and Mu that can much more easily transmit to others, and we'll likely need another vaccine just to combat that. Then by the time we get that vaccine, more variants will have arisen thanks to those same **** sharing this virus indefinitely without a care in the world for other people.

Amen

I find the oblivious omission of long COVID quite telling. We’re years away from knowing the full brunt of these infections and how many lives will be lived in suffering due to the side effects

The brutality of this virus seems to escape some people who fail to grasp that even after you eradicate the active viral loads from the body COVID often continues its damage if your own immune system’s signals were impaired and no longer able to sense the threat is gone and keeps producing killer cells that ravage organs like kidneys and livers

Two of my lifelong friends got Covid early in the spring of 2020:
— The man became the first confirmed Covid death in Nashville. He died in less than 2 weeks of hospitalization.
— The woman recovered at home in 4-5 weeks, but with horrific long haul symptoms. She lost her job from not being able to work and then lost her medical insurance. Right after that, she was found to have a tumor. While the tumor is not related to Covid, her loss of insurance certainly is. She now faces either medical bankruptcy or just allowing the tumor to end her troubles.

[Clyde_Style]

People are talking about natural immunity, but the problem with that is that it fades over time and requires you first getting the virus. It's not a smart strategy to fight covid, essentially it's meaningless to even state. Of course catching the virus will give you temporary immunity to it, but it can also kill you or cause you long term negative effects.

You can't achieve herd immunity or eliminate this virus via natural immunity unless you sacrifice hundreds of thousands if not millions of more people. These anti-vaxxers are basically a giant petri dish for this virus to continue evolving, and then people wonder why vaccinated are still getting infected with variants like Delta and Mu that can much more easily transmit to others, and we'll likely need another vaccine just to combat that. Then by the time we get that vaccine, more variants will have arisen thanks to those same **** sharing this virus indefinitely without a care in the world for other people.

Amen

I find the oblivious omission of long COVID quite telling. We’re years away from knowing the full brunt of these infections and how many lives will be lived in suffering due to the side effects

The brutality of this virus seems to escape some people who fail to grasp that even after you eradicate the active viral loads from the body COVID often continues its damage if your own immune system’s signals were impaired and no longer able to sense the threat is gone and keeps producing killer cells that ravage organs like kidneys and livers

Two of my lifelong friends got Covid early in the spring of 2020:
— The man became the first confirmed Covid death in Nashville. He died in less than 2 weeks of hospitalization.
— The woman recovered at home in 4-5 weeks, but with horrific long haul symptoms. She lost her job from not being able to work and then lost her medical insurance. Right after that, she was found to have a tumor. While the tumor is not related to Covid, her loss of insurance certainly is. She now faces either medical bankruptcy or just allowing the tumor to end her troubles.

I had one relative pass away from covid, but they were quite elderly and ready to depart. It can’t be easy losing friends to this. I find myself shaking my head when some covid disbeliever says they don’t know anyone who has gotten sick. Really?

[BKlutch]

Amen

I find the oblivious omission of long COVID quite telling. We’re years away from knowing the full brunt of these infections and how many lives will be lived in suffering due to the side effects

The brutality of this virus seems to escape some people who fail to grasp that even after you eradicate the active viral loads from the body COVID often continues its damage if your own immune system’s signals were impaired and no longer able to sense the threat is gone and keeps producing killer cells that ravage organs like kidneys and livers

Two of my lifelong friends got Covid early in the spring of 2020:
— The man became the first confirmed Covid death in Nashville. He died in less than 2 weeks of hospitalization.
— The woman recovered at home in 4-5 weeks, but with horrific long haul symptoms. She lost her job from not being able to work and then lost her medical insurance. Right after that, she was found to have a tumor. While the tumor is not related to Covid, her loss of insurance certainly is. She now faces either medical bankruptcy or just allowing the tumor to end her troubles.

I had one relative pass away from covid, but they were quite elderly and ready to depart. It can’t be easy losing friends to this. I find myself shaking my head when some covid disbeliever says they don’t know anyone who has gotten sick. Really?

Yeah - denial is a real sickness

[iLLmatic860]

about to go for my first shot tommorow

getting the Phizer at CVS

[DaGawd]

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[HarthorneWingo]

People are talking about natural immunity, but the problem with that is that it fades over time and requires you first getting the virus. It's not a smart strategy to fight covid, essentially it's meaningless to even state. Of course catching the virus will give you temporary immunity to it, but it can also kill you or cause you long term negative effects.

You can't achieve herd immunity or eliminate this virus via natural immunity unless you sacrifice hundreds of thousands if not millions of more people. These anti-vaxxers are basically a giant petri dish for this virus to continue evolving, and then people wonder why vaccinated are still getting infected with variants like Delta and Mu that can much more easily transmit to others, and we'll likely need another vaccine just to combat that. Then by the time we get that vaccine, more variants will have arisen thanks to those same **** sharing this virus indefinitely without a care in the world for other people.

Amen

I find the oblivious omission of long COVID quite telling. We’re years away from knowing the full brunt of these infections and how many lives will be lived in suffering due to the side effects

The brutality of this virus seems to escape some people who fail to grasp that even after you eradicate the active viral loads from the body COVID often continues its damage if your own immune system’s signals were impaired and no longer able to sense the threat is gone and keeps producing killer cells that ravage organs like kidneys and livers

Two of my lifelong friends got Covid early in the spring of 2020:
— The man became the first confirmed Covid death in Nashville. He died in less than 2 weeks of hospitalization.
— The woman recovered at home in 4-5 weeks, but with horrific long haul symptoms. She lost her job from not being able to work and then lost her medical insurance. Right after that, she was found to have a tumor. While the tumor is not related to Covid, her loss of insurance certainly is. She now faces either medical bankruptcy or just allowing the tumor to end her troubles.

This shouldn’t happen in America. You shouldn’t be forced to have to choose between those two options. I had a friend from HS I graduated with who was laid off of work and decided to stop paying COBRA so he and the family could save some money. Then one day he gets an attack of pancreatitis. 9 surgeries later, he’s bankrupt.

[Clyde_Style]

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Just curious. Did you post this because you believe it is truthful or not?

[Clyde_Style]

Florida setting the record for stupid. DeSantis should be put on trial

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This is why I mask up everywhere public indoors. Florida is the land of the clueless

[thebuzzardman]

As the ancient wise men used to say, "Some people can't tell shìt from Shinola!"

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[thebuzzardman]

The goal isn't just to get to herd immunity, it's to limit the number of people getting covid completely or if they do get it limit the amount of deaths and long term health consequences. "Herd immunity" is simply a byproduct of a majority of the population having antibodies for at least a certain amount of time if it can't be permanently without them suffering short and long term health consequences.

The difference is how we get to it and the consequences of the different methods is what I explained but you still don't seem to comprehend it's more important than just getting to it. You complain about other acting like experts then you go ahead and do it yourself while being factually inaccurate about your statements.

You say "all the vaccine does is lessen the symptoms and POSSIBLY slow the spread a little", which is flat out wrong. It prevent contracting it in many as well. The hospitals report it's like 99% of the admittances are unvaccinated, this is clearly demonstrating if you dont want to end up in the hospital get the vaccine, it's not complicated.

You keep posting and showing how ill informed you are about all of this including what other are saying to you. This much is abundantly clear.

Yes to this and I would add that there are too many unknown future variables for anyone to say stuff like this is how it ends. Fact. Period.

The fact is we don’t know if, how or when this ends. Look at the Delta Variant. It started on the other side of the planet and worked its way here. We don’t know what future mutations will be. The U.S. could think its out of the woods and boom a variant that is way more lethal thrives in Africa and then lands here. So I’m tired of cheap, casual talk by people who don’t know what they’re talking about. And they should be called out, because it is just bad information and we’ve had enough of that

The current endemic flu that comes around every winter is a ongoing variant of the pandemic flu of 1918 so who knows if covid will turn endemic as well. Although, the longer we let it hang around mutating the more chance it has to become it.

The thing is with the new vaccine mRNA technology many vaccines will be easier to create, be safer and will be more effective. The length of immunity it provides is something that will likely vary depending on what it's developed for.

It's amazing some of the stuff people get twisted about regarding Covid, when all they have to do is read one of the...hundred? books that have been written about the 1918 virus. Just one. There are at least half a dozen good ones I know about, read 3, skimmed 3 others.

Then again, we are dealing with segments of the population fairly determined to ignore reality.

[DaGawd]

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Just curious. Did you post this because you believe it is truthful or not?

I believe it. I try not to really post in threads like this one because of how strong the opinions are on both sides. For me personally as a black man unfortunately I have a strong distrust of our government/media. But that’s a whole nother convo.

[Clyde_Style]

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Just curious. Did you post this because you believe it is truthful or not?

I believe it. I try not to really post in threads like this one because of how strong the opinions are on both sides. For me personally as a black man unfortunately I have a strong distrust of our government/media. But that’s a whole nother convo.

She's promoting Ivermectin. It is not likely she is a nurse at all. Just because you distrust government doesn't mean you should spread people like this who are so blatantly pushing an agenda that has very little to do with actual facts.

Tell me please, what registered nurse would be picketing with a sign that promotes Ivermectin?

OK?

So I'm not attacking you, but I am telling you that video is about the worst source of actual truth possible regardless of your bias prior to viewing it

[Spree2Houston]

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Just curious. Did you post this because you believe it is truthful or not?

I believe it. I try not to really post in threads like this one because of how strong the opinions are on both sides. For me personally as a black man unfortunately I have a strong distrust of our government/media. But that’s a whole nother convo.

As a black man myself I don’t trust it either. My sister-in-law took Moderna and developed hyper thyroid a month after her 2nd shot. Now my brother and sister-in-law are struggling to have children because of her thyroid. Don’t ever feel bad about not taking it. There’s truth on both sides.

[BKlutch]

As the ancient wise men used to say, "Some people can't tell shìt from Shinola!"

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A classic. Most people...

After the lesson, of course, he steps right in the big steaming pile o' shīt.

[j4remi]

Just curious. Did you post this because you believe it is truthful or not?

I believe it. I try not to really post in threads like this one because of how strong the opinions are on both sides. For me personally as a black man unfortunately I have a strong distrust of our government/media. But that’s a whole nother convo.

She's promoting Ivermectin. It is not likely she is a nurse at all. Just because you distrust government doesn't mean you should spread people like this who are so blatantly pushing an agenda that has very little to do with actual facts.

Tell me please, what registered nurse would be picketing with a sign that promotes Ivermectin?

OK?

So I'm not attacking you, but I am telling you that video is about the worst source of actual truth possible regardless of your bias prior to viewing it

People are programmed to seek patterns and prior biases could cause them to spot a pattern where there isn't one. I've seen some heads in hospitals that spot a couple of breakthrough infections and use those outliers as their proof that the vaccines are not to be trusted. So she very well may be completely full of crap, but she also might just be a naturally skeptical person who has been fed a lot of BS through her social circles and then took her three examples to be proof that breakthrough infections are more prominent...I'm tryna be charitable at least.

Anyway, you're right though that this is a terrible source of actual practical information. It's just a woman saying "trust me" and giving a couple of anecdotes. That's why we rely on data sets instead. There have been over 5 billion doses of the vaccine delivered. Of course some people are going to experience adverse effects (all treatments come with some risk and side effects), and also some people are going to experience medical issues that would have happened regardless of being vaccinated or not (the best example of this would be the Bell's Palsy scare early on or any other examples where clinical trials were halted until they could confirm that medical issues weren't caused by the vaccines despite potential correlation). But I do think these outliers are especially risky for setting off confirmation biases because of how much disinformation has been pumped out there on top of previous distrust for the government which is why my next paragraph is important (for skeptics rather than you Clyde)....

You don't need to trust the government or the media to trust the vaccines. The data from clinical trials doesn't only go to the FDA to be filtered out elsewhere. It's published and put into a peer-review process where researchers can look over the data, check the methodology, and compare it to the rest of the research that is continuously compiling. We can use Ivermectin to show the peer review process in action fam...check out how a flawed pre-print about Ivermectin was disproven through the peer-review process.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

So this article is about a major study that was one of the biggest pieces in support of Ivermectin working...and how it was proven shoddy after a master's student called attention to flaws which sparked a review of the paper and research.

The paper’s irregularities came to light when Jack Lawrence, a master’s student at the University of London, was reading it for a class assignment and noticed that some phrases were identical to those in other published work. When he contacted researchers who specialize in detecting fraud in scientific publications, the group found other causes for concern, including dozens of patient records that seemed to be duplicates, inconsistencies between the raw data and the information in the paper, patients whose records indicate they died before the study’s start date, and numbers that seemed to be too consistent to have occurred by chance.

and later it mentions some of the challenges and issues in research lately...preprints and shoddy research have driven a few of these "miracle cure" conspiracies like what the nurse fell for...

The paper’s withdrawal is not the first scandal to dog studies of ivermectin and COVID-19. Hill thinks many of the other ivermectin trial papers that he has scanned are likely to be flawed or statistically biased. Many rely on small sample sizes or were not randomized or well controlled, he says. And in 2020, an observational study of the drug was withdrawn after scientists raised concerns about it and a few other papers using data by the company Surgisphere that investigated a range of repurposed drugs against COVID-19. “We’ve seen a pattern of people releasing information that’s not reliable,” says Hill. “It’s hard enough to do work on COVID and treatment without people distorting databases.”

Carlos Chaccour, a global-health researcher at the Barcelona Institute for Global Health in Spain, says it has been difficult to conduct rigorous studies on ivermectin. That’s partly because funders and academics in wealthy countries haven’t supported them, and, he suspects, have often dismissed trials of ivermectin because most of them have been done in lower-income countries. Furthermore, says Rodrigo Zoni, a cardiologist at the Corrientes Cardiology Institute in Argentina, it is difficult to recruit participants because many people — particularly in Latin America — are already taking the widely available drug in an attempt to prevent COVID-19.

So getting good quality research is difficult, and it's further complicated by the fact that finite resources have been going into research for a gang of potential treatments since this was a novel-virus. But what's reassuring is that, the shoddy stuff gets shot down as more people look into it and try to replicate the results. For treatments like Ivermectin and hydroxychloriquine before it; this helps filter out the over-promises and sometimes outright lies being pushed. For the vaccines, it can reassure us that we don't need to just rely on the government or media sources...actual research institutions are also checking for irregularities.
(as an additional aside, I think a big flaw in vaccine skepticism has been that people take the side effects from one vaccine and apply it to all vaccines. Moderna and Pfizer are MRNA, J&J isn't...and I see people ignore that non-MRNA option when they discuss side-effects).

Anyway, this is both my attempt to get people to stop conflating government and science. They aren't one in the same and peer-review is a valuable tool in picking out the bad info from the good.

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Also, there are absolutely disinformation campaigns so keep fighting that good fight clyde. This dude made a twitter thread of all the anti-vaxxers at rallies who were out-of-work actors and maybe it's my own cognitive bias...but I definitely see a pattern forming.

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[Clyde_Style]

As the ancient wise men used to say, "Some people can't tell shìt from Shinola!"

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A classic. Most people...

After the lesson, of course, he steps right in the big steaming pile o' shīt.

First off, post more often

One of the core distinctions politically are which politicians/parties/administrations defer to actual peer-reviewed scientific research and which don't. Then you can draw a line between who is bias fitting their POV and who is letting their policy be guided by facts.

Because a pandemic is a moving target the single-minded people amongst the population and the politicans will hone in on a single point of information and extrapolate the whole to prove their pre-determined conclusions. It wouldn't matter to them if the source is good or if the data point is fact or fiction, simply that it fits their narrative.

One of the reasons I step on toes is because I'm usually fighting against over-simplications because:

(1) Solutions are complex
(2) We rarely get what we want when we want it anyway
(3) You have to go through points A, B and C to get to D-Z
(4) Real change or progress is a moving target and context shifts

and we are in a civilization now that for the most part has lost the capacity to juggle multiple pieces of information simultaneously while being capable of handling paradox and the grey zones where there are no immediate and easy solutions to a problem

People generally want the simplest explanation and that now often means the explanation that satisfies their emotional bias. A lower ability to process data leads to delusions that THEIR explanation obeys the rule of Occam's Razor (the simplest explanation is often the best one). What those so inclined overlook is that you usually have to wade through data, some of it possibly conflicting, in order to distill the findings and arrive at that simplest explanation.

IOW, our society is too lazy to absorb actual research and prefers whatever fits their emotional POV.

So, yes, the data on MRNA vaccines is vast and quite authoritative, but if you want to bury your head in the sand and cherry pick for objections you can and you will. The reality is there are always outliers and anomalies in any large data set and the data set we have now on those vaccines is massive. It will continue to yield informative insights for years to come and guide future research and policy, but it will shift too as the viruses mutate.

Covid has overwhelmed the thinking capacity of the majority of the world and it is harder to find good information when lazy people spread whatever social media meme they stumble across.

I feel Biden has done a good job. There's always room for improvements I suppose, but from what I can see those improvements require a population that is willing to learn and evolve their thinking. At this point, only tragedy will move those impervious to facts and even then maybe not at all.

[dukeknicksirish]

4 of my relatives got the vaccine. There are 14 of us. 1 had a stroke with no medical concerns prior, 1 is sicker than ever before and 2 others have covid again. The other 10 have had no issues medical wise or have not gotten covid (again). Guess which ones got the vaccine?

I am not anti vax, but after seeing those few of my family members state after getting it, no thank you. If you want to get it and it works for you, awesome ! I am not getting it and will not after seeing results with my eyes, not "facts and numbers" i see come across my screen that I don't even believe are true anymore. Sad that we can't believe what the "news" says anymore as both sides are biased.




Also, pray for Australia ... not for the "covid" but because they literally have nation wide curfews and are arresting people who want to live their lives without fear. Sad

[Clyde_Style]

4 of my relatives got the vaccine. There are 14 of us. 1 had a stroke with no medical concerns prior, 1 is sicker than ever before and 2 others have covid again. The other 10 have had no issues medical wise or have not gotten covid (again). Guess which ones got the vaccine?

I am not anti vax, but after seeing those few of my family members state after getting it, no thank you. If you want to get it and it works for you, awesome ! I am not getting it and will not after seeing results with my eyes, not "facts and numbers" i see come across my screen that I don't even believe are true anymore. Sad that we can't believe what the "news" says anymore as both sides are biased.




Also, pray for Australia ... not for the "covid" but because they literally have nation wide curfews and are arresting people who want to live their lives without fear. Sad

Which vaccine did they get?

and what do mean Again?

from your post it sounds like 2 our 4 vaccinated got Covid AGAIN and the 10 unvaccinated did not get Covid (Again). What does that mean? Did the 4 vaccinated get their vaccine after being infected? Did the other 10 get Covid originally?