Knicks - Hawks PG: This is what effort looks like

[bearadonisdna]

Honest question and not an over exaggeration or knee jerk reaction, can IQ become a superstar type like Trae Young? Young doesn't even play defense, IQ looks like he's an elite defender of late particularly this game.

IQ needs to improve his handle but other than that what else is stopping him? He has the same confidence and bravado as young.

Yes, not like trae young but star capable .
My high end comp would be SGA .
He is possibly as good as tyrese Maxey as we speak but probably the more fluid shooter.

All 3 guys went to same college .
Under thibs he might not ever get that chance.
If he can’t get a start with the top 2 pointguard out ? He might not ever get a chance

[PeteW]

I've been saying start

IQ
Burks
RJ
Randle
Obi

and I'm sticking by that. I'll keep saying it until I speak it into existence.

Mitch ain't getting benched and doesn't deserve to. Obi also isnt ready to start yet, 20+ minutes yes but he also has to become more consistent with his catch and shoot 3's.

Mitch has been inconsistent all season. Obi has been one of our best per minute and advanced stats producers. Catch and shoot 3s? Not like Mitch or Noel shooting any threes to stretch the floor.

[TheGreenArrow]

Drose/IQ
Evan/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/sims

That’s the rotation!!!!!!!!!

Get it done thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RHODEY]

But what would it have cost to find out? And yet folks were ABSOLUTELY SURE that CP3 was toast right?



You're probably right lol.

I think every other post of mines in the off season was CP3, Conley, Lowry... Thought there was no way we struck out on all 3 was so disappointed.

CP3 was always my top choice. Has been for years and years. Pipe dream

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

[KnixtapeH20]

Honest question and not an over exaggeration or knee jerk reaction, can IQ become a superstar type like Trae Young? Young doesn't even play defense, IQ looks like he's an elite defender of late particularly this game.

IQ needs to improve his handle but other than that what else is stopping him? He has the same confidence and bravado as young.

Improving the handle (to the degree of "superstar" type guys like Trae Young) is probably one of the hardest skill wise traits to do is the problem. Improving free thrown shooting, improving a 3 point shot, improving ability to play team defense, those are relatively easy to do.

IQ is terrific at what he does but expecting him to be a superstar type like Trae Young? I think that's just a setup for failure...like what fans have done with so many talented but flawed guys that have put on a Knicks uniform in most of today's fans' lifetime.

Realistic for IQ is probably something along a John Starks level player or maybe a Lou Williams level player assuming everything clicks, he continues to improve and he remains healthy. And I'd be hell a ecstatic if that happened.

I dont know about that moo, think about makes trae so good. His confidence in himself. That correlates with his shooting, facilitating, free throws... . IQ has all that. You cant teach confidence or that "clutch" ability that makes the great ones great. We've just seen a small sample size.

Look at how much his handle has improved from last season to now. He's got a mini crossover that still needs work, hes quicker and more decisive.

[moocow007]

I think every other post of mines in the off season was CP3, Conley, Lowry... Thought there was no way we struck out on all 3 was so disappointed.

CP3 was always my top choice. Has been for years and years. Pipe dream

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm confused. Hindsight has happened 3 times already. With Houston. With OKC. Then with Phoenix. And that's not counting the rest of his entire career where he's shown he has the ability bar none of making his teammates better than they are otherwise.

[BugginOut]

Really like what I’m seeing from Grimes so far. As a rookie his defense is already legit which is huge for his development. Plus his release is so quick and pure. Best looking jumper on the team.

His floor is already a rotational 3&D guy, which is huge as we continue to build out the roster where we might need to trade some depth for a star player.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I hope RJ can get out of his funk after this and shut this board up. Randle is overpaid. Thibs smokes crack. The FO reluctance to commit to a younger team always shows to be a mistake every year. Kemba needs to be situational.

I don't think there will be a trade worth mentioning this year. What FA are up for next year?

[KnixtapeH20]

Honest question and not an over exaggeration or knee jerk reaction, can IQ become a superstar type like Trae Young? Young doesn't even play defense, IQ looks like he's an elite defender of late particularly this game.

IQ needs to improve his handle but other than that what else is stopping him? He has the same confidence and bravado as young.

Next year and the year after quick is gona be on a whole nother level. His defense makes him a starter now w.o question

His realistic ceiling is probably a borderline allstar player. Think on the level of CJ McCollum.

I can see him averaging 17 and 5, 58% TS%, with great defense by next year if he is a starter

I know as Knicks fans we over hype our players but this was the first game that really made me think IQ can become that #1 option we've been searching for all along. He runs the pick and roll effectively,
Just needs the reps handling the ball.

Last year quick couldn't even run the point whatsoever. Look at the strides he's made and he's still not getting 20+ min, let alone 30+ minutes

[Zenzibar]

Randle playing with the young kids.

Read on Twitter

[HarthorneWingo]

They're REALLY tough. Not a weakness on them.

Only weakness I see is that CP3 will have retire eventually....

I don't think pepple have been following the Suns. There was nothing remarkable or shameful about that loss.

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I agree but sometimes a little schadenfreude goes a long way. Anyhow, the Suns are cooking on all cylinders right now. Fck Chris Paul.

[moocow007]

Honest question and not an over exaggeration or knee jerk reaction, can IQ become a superstar type like Trae Young? Young doesn't even play defense, IQ looks like he's an elite defender of late particularly this game.

IQ needs to improve his handle but other than that what else is stopping him? He has the same confidence and bravado as young.

Improving the handle (to the degree of "superstar" type guys like Trae Young) is probably one of the hardest skill wise traits to do is the problem. Improving free thrown shooting, improving a 3 point shot, improving ability to play team defense, those are relatively easy to do.

IQ is terrific at what he does but expecting him to be a superstar type like Trae Young? I think that's just a setup for failure...like what fans have done with so many talented but flawed guys that have put on a Knicks uniform in most of today's fans' lifetime.

Realistic for IQ is probably something along a John Starks level player or maybe a Lou Williams level player assuming everything clicks, he continues to improve and he remains healthy. And I'd be hell a ecstatic if that happened.

I dont know about that moo, think about makes trae so good. His confidence in himself. That correlates with his shooting, facilitating, free throws... . IQ has all that. You cant teach confidence or that "clutch" ability that makes the great ones great. We've just seen a small sample size.

Look at how much his handle has improved from last season to now. He's got a mini crossover that still needs work, hes quicker and more decisive.

What makes Trae great is his elite court vision, otherworldly feel for the game on offense and his top tier ball skills...added to his superb high end developed offensive game. Those are NOT easy things to learn. Some of those are things that guys are born with that is part of the fabric of who they are and what makes them tick. I think you guys are either seriously underrating Trae Young or overrating what IQ has actually shown he can do. Otherwise a whole bunch of other teams have players like IQ that will realistically soon be Trae Young level. And Young is what? One of the top 5 point guards in the NBA (top 3 offensively?). It's not an easy thing to be, or grow into. Knick fans (actually all fans) keep doing stuff like this. Set unrealistic expectations on players and then when they don't meat them (cause it's not realistic) the fans flip on the guy. If IQ can learn to become Trae Young then with IQ's defensive ability (Trae Young's one weakness and it's a big one) we're talking probably top 75 all time here?

[jvsimonetti0514]

I hope RJ can get out of his funk after this and shut this board up. Randle is overpaid. Thibs smokes crack. The FO reluctance to commit to a younger team always shows to be a mistake every year. Kemba needs to be situational.

I don't think there will be a trade worth mentioning this year. What FA are up for next year?

playing him with the bench more is the key. They like to play the same tempo as him and that's the key of unlocking him.

[KnixtapeH20]

I think every other post of mines in the off season was CP3, Conley, Lowry... Thought there was no way we struck out on all 3 was so disappointed.

CP3 was always my top choice. Has been for years and years. Pipe dream

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

How many great players have we heard ppl make that claim about only for them to continue playing at a high level. Not just in the NBA but also NFL. If we had CP3 it would solve every problem this team has.

[KnixtapeH20]

Really like what I’m seeing from Grimes so far. As a rookie his defense is already legit which is huge for his development. Plus his release is so quick and pure. Best looking jumper on the team.

His floor is already a rotational 3&D guy, which is huge as we continue to build out the roster where we might need to trade some depth for a star player.

Obi, Grimes, Deuce, Sims all just scratching the surface showing us what they can do. This coaching staff really paying dividends with IQ and Obi... Grimes is next up.

[RHODEY]

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

I'm confused. Hindsight has happened 3 times already. With Houston. With OKC. Then with Phoenix. And that's not counting the rest of his entire career where he's shown he has the ability bar none of making his teammates better than they are otherwise.

Hindsight in reference to his injury risk(s)...if it was only about talent sure ...

[GONYK]

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

How many great players have we heard ppl make that claim about only for them to continue playing at a high level. Not just in the NBA but also NFL. If we had CP3 it would solve every problem this team has.

The context of this conversation is missing 2 things:

1. We weren't looking to be a playoff team in the offseason, so it didn't make sense to take him on.
2. CP3 is on record not wanting to come here. Certainly not over Phoenix.

[RHODEY]

Yeah I've been saying that CP3 would be the best get for this team given how little assets we to work with and would have been the single best guy to make this team and everyone on it better. But every time it's been brought up it's been shot down cause CP3 is toast. He was supposed to be toast in 2019, then again in 2020, then again in 2021...but...hey...we got Kemba Walker who wasn't supposed to be toast so...

30+ Million a year for a 35 year old injury prone PG is a very risky move. I dont blame the FO for not taking that risk . Hindsight is 20/20.

How many great players have we heard ppl make that claim about only for them to continue playing at a high level. Not just in the NBA but also NFL. If we had CP3 it would solve every problem this team has.

How many great players eventually fall off the cliff? 100%. Its biology, father time always wins. Jason Kidd looked great for us until he suddenly didn't...Im not investing 4 years at 30millkion + for that lingering question mark.

[KnixtapeH20]

Improving the handle (to the degree of "superstar" type guys like Trae Young) is probably one of the hardest skill wise traits to do is the problem. Improving free thrown shooting, improving a 3 point shot, improving ability to play team defense, those are relatively easy to do.

IQ is terrific at what he does but expecting him to be a superstar type like Trae Young? I think that's just a setup for failure...like what fans have done with so many talented but flawed guys that have put on a Knicks uniform in most of today's fans' lifetime.

Realistic for IQ is probably something along a John Starks level player or maybe a Lou Williams level player assuming everything clicks, he continues to improve and he remains healthy. And I'd be hell a ecstatic if that happened.

I dont know about that moo, think about makes trae so good. His confidence in himself. That correlates with his shooting, facilitating, free throws... . IQ has all that. You cant teach confidence or that "clutch" ability that makes the great ones great. We've just seen a small sample size.

Look at how much his handle has improved from last season to now. He's got a mini crossover that still needs work, hes quicker and more decisive.

What makes Trae great is his elite court vision, otherworldly feel for the game on offense and his top tier ball skills...added to his superb high end developed offensive game. Those are NOT easy things to learn. Some of those are things that guys are born with that is part of the fabric of who they are and what makes them tick. I think you guys are either seriously underrating Trae Young or overrating what IQ has actually shown he can do. Otherwise a whole bunch of other teams have players like IQ that will realistically soon be Trae Young level. And Young is what? One of the top 5 point guards in the NBA (top 3 offensively?). It's not an easy thing to be, or grow into. Knick fans (actually all fans) keep doing stuff like this. Set unrealistic expectations on players and then when they don't meat them (cause it's not realistic) the fans flip on the guy. If IQ can learn to become Trae Young then with IQ's defensive ability (Trae Young's one weakness and it's a big one) we're talking probably top 75 all time here?

As much as I can't stand young I even said tonight we'd love him if he was a Knick.

He's crazy talented, there's no flash in the pan there. Silenced all the critics in his first olayoff game and just took off.

I just saw tonight that IQ can become not just a special shooter but a special all around starter. Ball handling can be drastically improved, vision can improve but it's more innate ability and confidence and shooting touch you either have it or you don't. IQ has many qualities you want in a great player. I wasn't even as excited last season about quick as I am now.

His defense was rookie Iman Shumpert tonight. He was giving CP3 fits as well. And he has that likeability factor. Players respect quick

[Zenzibar]

Drose/IQ
Evan/Grimes
Rj/Burks
Randle/Obi
Mitch/sims

That’s the rotation!!!!!!!!!

Get it done thibs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If Burks is going to be this clutch, I rather see him start and keep Rose healthy and flowing with that 2nd unit.


Burks/Rose
Evan/IQ
RJ/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Whoever is not hurt between Mitch and Noel /Jericho.