PG Knicks @ Nuggets - 4 L's in a Row

[Jeffrey]

Why did Knicks fans hate Marbury

Different people disliked him for different reasons. Some of us disliked him because he was acquired by Isiah Thomas is a classic "win-now" trade despite the fact that the team needed to rebuild and was nowhere close to winning anything. Disliking Marbury was a proxy for disliking Thomas and Dolan and the direction that they had chosen for the team.

His antics, the team was built just on talent, nothing meshed, he was the face of the franchise and fans will look at him to carry the city on his shoulders. Too much pressure and couldn't do it.

I blame Isiah for not finding the right talent for him to succeed.

I also want to mention that the NBA was transitioning to a different type of PGs... his era was had a shoot first PGs like Iverson, Baron Davis, and Francis. They wanted more of CP3, Nash etc.

[JXL]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Seriously, what will that change? Nothing. But, all of you are not looking outward at what this FO did. There's flexibility in how the roster can change. Will a panic trade do anything this season for this team? No, because they're not chasing a Play-In spot, nor should they. This season went backwards on them, so what's the point of staying in the middle if they're not among the top 6? I bet they will make a trade, but more toward next season and beyond. They shouldn't panic that this season went badly because they should admit they made a mistake on their specific moves that took away what made this team special last season.

If anything, they still have a good young core to mold, and draft picks. Smart FO personnel would not panic, not do a complete sell job, but shift gears to next season.

A smarter one would just let them suck this year and next and add even more young talent.

That's being in a treadmill of mediocrity. There's only so much this franchise can take, and 20+ years takes away a generation of fans.

Rather have them stick to a lane and commit instead of veering off.

[Deeeez Knicks]

if RJ is hurt I need some of you who live in NY punching the **** out of thibs.

i turned it off after 3. what happened ? i saw this on twitter.

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Game was over at half time. Thibs waited until 50 seconds left to pull the 4 starters. For whatever reason he left RJ in. RJ got hurt with 20 seconds left and was on the ground. Had to be taken back to lockerroom

[Dave DaButcher]

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RIP Knicks. You won’t be missed.

[god shammgod]

if RJ is hurt I need some of you who live in NY punching the **** out of thibs.

i turned it off after 3. what happened ? i saw this on twitter.

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Game was over at half time. Thibs waited until 50 seconds left to pull the 4 starters. For whatever reason he left RJ in. RJ got hurt with 20 seconds left and was on the ground. Had to be taken back to lockerroom

jesus. he broke mitch & rj in 2 days. impressive.

[Clyde_Style]

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RIP Knicks. You won’t be missed.

But................

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[Clyde_Style]

1 Day left until half of the fan base takes off for the rest of the season

[Deeeez Knicks]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Seriously, what will that change? Nothing. But, all of you are not looking outward at what this FO did. There's flexibility in how the roster can change. Will a panic trade do anything this season for this team? No, because they're not chasing a Play-In spot, nor should they. This season went backwards on them, so what's the point of staying in the middle if they're not among the top 6? I bet they will make a trade, but more toward next season and beyond. They shouldn't panic that this season went badly because they should admit they made a mistake on their specific moves that took away what made this team special last season.

If anything, they still have a good young core to mold, and draft picks. Smart FO personnel would not panic, not do a complete sell job, but shift gears to next season.

Thats the most depressing part. Dolan won't bring in anyone good. Just another snakeoil salesman. It's a never ending cycle where every GM poorly executes the same bad plan over and over and over

[Spree2Houston]

RJ is going to be fine. He's played a lot of mins this season and it was only of time before he got hurt. The time-off will help him physically and mentally. RJ should take as much time as he wants.

[JXL]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Seriously, what will that change? Nothing. But, all of you are not looking outward at what this FO did. There's flexibility in how the roster can change. Will a panic trade do anything this season for this team? No, because they're not chasing a Play-In spot, nor should they. This season went backwards on them, so what's the point of staying in the middle if they're not among the top 6? I bet they will make a trade, but more toward next season and beyond. They shouldn't panic that this season went badly because they should admit they made a mistake on their specific moves that took away what made this team special last season.

If anything, they still have a good young core to mold, and draft picks. Smart FO personnel would not panic, not do a complete sell job, but shift gears to next season.

Thats the most depressing part. Dolan won't bring in anyone good. Just another snakeoil salesman. It's a never ending cycle where every GM poorly executes the same bad plan over and over and over

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

[DowNY]

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[Deeeez Knicks]

FIRE EVERYONE!!!!!!

Seriously, what will that change? Nothing. But, all of you are not looking outward at what this FO did. There's flexibility in how the roster can change. Will a panic trade do anything this season for this team? No, because they're not chasing a Play-In spot, nor should they. This season went backwards on them, so what's the point of staying in the middle if they're not among the top 6? I bet they will make a trade, but more toward next season and beyond. They shouldn't panic that this season went badly because they should admit they made a mistake on their specific moves that took away what made this team special last season.

If anything, they still have a good young core to mold, and draft picks. Smart FO personnel would not panic, not do a complete sell job, but shift gears to next season.

Thats the most depressing part. Dolan won't bring in anyone good. Just another snakeoil salesman. It's a never ending cycle where every GM poorly executes the same bad plan over and over and over

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

[WargamesX]

Thats the most depressing part. Dolan won't bring in anyone good. Just another snakeoil salesman. It's a never ending cycle where every GM poorly executes the same bad plan over and over and over

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

The best option I see is bring in a coach that will play the kids and bench the vets (except for Randle and Fournier who are here too long) and just play the kids to develop. The way the cap works the Knicks won’t have cap space like last summer again because they have to start signing their youth.

So they might as well double down on the youth development movement.

[duetta]

The good news about the choices that Rose and Co. made is that most of these players becoming expiring this summer. And that makes them much easier to move. Only Fournier will remain an albatross, to the degree that Thibs or the next coach cannot find a way to maximize his impact on the team's fortunes (perhaps by bringing him off the bench).

Randle looks like he is getting the message and playing better - and hopefully the next coach will employ enough sticks and carrots to get him to better buy into the team concept.

Thibs was great as a one-season fix - but I don't see him as having the kind of personality to last over the long term, especially with a roster of developmental players.

Longer-term, I still see the franchise as being in better shape than at any time since the Ewing era.

[JXL]

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

The best option I see is bring in a coach that will play the kids and bench the vets (except for Randle and Fournier who are here too long) and just play the kids to develop. The way the cap works the Knicks won’t have cap space like last summer again because they have to start signing their youth.

So they might as well double down on the youth development movement.

[Clyde_Style]

Thats the most depressing part. Dolan won't bring in anyone good. Just another snakeoil salesman. It's a never ending cycle where every GM poorly executes the same bad plan over and over and over

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

I don't know that Rose can recover from this off-season. He'd have some bullets left if these guys were tradeable contracts, but, as usual, the Knicks either (a) signed dead meat (Kemba and Noel is getting into this range) or (b) overpaid mediocre vets (Randle and Fournier)

If he didn't sign Kemba or Noel, did not prematurely extend Randle, then he'd be able to weather overpaying Fournier

Plus, signing Kemba and Fournier made us atrocious defensively which was the primary reason we were able to compete last season, so that was the other step backwards

PG by Committee was a very bad decision

If Rose doesn't pull something out of his hat by tomorrow we shouldn't be surprised if Dolan moves him out and has someone else handle this upcoming off-season

[Deeeez Knicks]

I don't think Rose did a bad job. He's been on this for 2 years. You expected him to roster a championship title team in 2 years? That's too optimistic. He took what was given and did something out of it. GMs almost always don't get what they want, but they try to make it work.

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

The best option I see is bring in a coach that will play the kids and bench the vets (except for Randle and Fournier who are here too long) and just play the kids to develop. The way the cap works the Knicks won’t have cap space like last summer again because they have to start signing their youth.

So they might as well double down on the youth development movement.

Yea, just hoping they keep losing at this point so maybe they switch to more of a youth approach when the season is out of hand. Not much else to root for. Vets are pretty much all known commodities and this team isnt going anywhere even if we make the play-in somehow.

Thibs has worn out his welcome. Hope RJ wasn't seriously hurt. That serves as a warning to the franchise. For Thibs, enough is enough.

[G_K_F]

Rose started off fine, but last offseason looks really bad right now. He made some bad choices that will have a long term impact. Just a really bad sign they made those choices. They pretty much have to find a way to get rid of all the guys they just signed, then move on from Thibs and not sure they will be able to do any of that...or if they even want to

The best option I see is bring in a coach that will play the kids and bench the vets (except for Randle and Fournier who are here too long) and just play the kids to develop. The way the cap works the Knicks won’t have cap space like last summer again because they have to start signing their youth.

So they might as well double down on the youth development movement.

I’ve heard the same argument before.

Somehow it works when the rest of the league hires young coaches but when the Knicks hire one who sucks we should never do it again. Great logic.

The team is not good. The ‘core’ is not good. The mediocrity you speak of is this current roster - including the young players. if you want to continue to support and excuse trash that’s fine. But don’t act like it’s because you know more than someone else.

[JXL]

The best option I see is bring in a coach that will play the kids and bench the vets (except for Randle and Fournier who are here too long) and just play the kids to develop. The way the cap works the Knicks won’t have cap space like last summer again because they have to start signing their youth.

So they might as well double down on the youth development movement.

I’ve heard the same argument before.

Somehow it works when the rest of the league hires young coaches but when the Knicks hire one who sucks we should never do it again. Great logic.

The team is not good. The ‘core’ is not good. The mediocrity you speak of is this current roster - including the young players. if you want to continue to support and excuse trash that’s fine. But don’t act like it’s because you know more than someone else.

Difference is this is a huge market, so media can get real loud.

[Jalen Bluntson]

honestly not as mad at this loss as most. Sure rj struggled and sure we got blown out by a team thats not healthy but at least they fought. Im not gonna anger myself over pointless stuff

It's not about the loss. It's about the POINTLESS STUFF this team does. The roster. The HC. The RJ injury and the HC lying about it. Decades of futility and...even more decades of never winning a title. It has been 49 years!!! 22 of which that have been unbearable for the most part.

300 games below .500 over the last 22 years!! Let that sink in for a second. 3 top 5 picks in 37 years. ZERO stars drafted by this team since Ewing! No other team has been this bad. The pointless stuff...is continuing to watch and hoping it changes.