Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle?

[thebuzzardman]

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

they went on a run without him. Naz reid was carrying them.

also let’s not forget Randle destroyed KAT earlier this season. terrible person rob

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I have to look up which dates in January are the 12-2 games with both Randle and OG.

I think I have all the Knicks W's this season downloaded.

Going to go back and rewatch them.

*EDIT*

Jan 01 is the first OG game
Jan 27 is the Julius injured by the pirate game.

They won 3 more in a row, minus Julius, against Charlotte, Indiana and Utah.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/NY/new-york-knicks/schedule/regular/

[Juco24]

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

they went on a run without him. Naz reid was carrying them.

also let’s not forget Randle destroyed KAT earlier this season. terrible person rob

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Damn it!! Just reminded me of what a healthy Knicks team looks like

[nedleeds]

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

I don't really want his $62 million in 27-28 but KAT is a completely superior offensive player other than being driven into the ground by his coach with minutes and counting stats.

It isn't even close. He's a superior shooter from everywhere. Comparable rebounder. Randle probably a better passer when he cares to. To think otherwise is just to be a sidewalk road apple Knicks homer.

The homerism is tough to endure sometimes. And again, I like Randle.

Randle on his current deal, healthy is fine. But if Randle gets the $181 I'd rather have KAT, even though KATs deal is awful. I'd just except that the last 2 years will be some terrible years. You are just trying to make a finals in those first 3. Again this is a clown homer thread, no Wolves fan or FO exec is trading KAT for Randle unless he asks out or something insane.

[nedleeds]

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

they went on a run without him. Naz reid was carrying them.

also let’s not forget Randle destroyed KAT earlier this season. terrible person rob

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I have to look up which dates in January are the 12-2 games with both Randle and OG.

I think I have all the Knicks W's this season downloaded.

Going to go back and rewatch them.

*EDIT*

Jan 01 is the first OG game
Jan 27 is the Julius injured by the pirate game.

They won 3 more in a row, minus Julius, against Charlotte, Indiana and Utah.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/NY/new-york-knicks/schedule/regular/

[thebuzzardman]

they went on a run without him. Naz reid was carrying them.

also let’s not forget Randle destroyed KAT earlier this season. terrible person rob

Read on Twitter

I have to look up which dates in January are the 12-2 games with both Randle and OG.

I think I have all the Knicks W's this season downloaded.

Going to go back and rewatch them.

*EDIT*

Jan 01 is the first OG game
Jan 27 is the Julius injured by the pirate game.

They won 3 more in a row, minus Julius, against Charlotte, Indiana and Utah.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/NY/new-york-knicks/schedule/regular/

Sorry for guessing and projecting what a healthy Knick team might be

[robillionaire]

KAT is not a winner. I’ll keep saying it.

Well he is currently on a 57 win team playing in the conference finals we aren’t talking about someone on a lottery team here

and he got benched in the 4th quarter.. im just saying

Did it work? Did they win? No, they lost. Looks like it was a bad strategy

It’s wild how this place makes these snap reactions based on 1 or 2 games like he’s now a different player than the one who just bodied Jokic the series before that or has played winning basketball all year. Now suddenly we are too good for him and can turn up our noses. Hey Brunson stunk it up in game 6 and 7 and got injured on top of that, and didn’t even make it to the conference finals, maybe he’s just a losing player. Come on man

[sol537]

Is KAT a great shooter? Yes. Is he a talented basketball player? Yes.

HOWEVER... his bball IQ on offense and defense is relatively low. He gets lost on rotations often and makes dumb fouls at the worst times. Then, on offense, he takes a lot of forced/bad shots... ie momentum killing shots. The cherry on top is his interviews and mindset... just listening to him, you get the sense that he's not a championship caliber player. He'll fold on the biggest stage more times than not. The Wolves would be wise to try to move him for better pieces... heck, they should go all in for Spida and send KAT and some picks to get it done. Spida + Gobert + Ant + McDaniels + Reid actually has a terrific chance of winning. KAT will continue to disappoint in this series despite his clear size/talent advantage over Washington. He lacks the dog in him...

[robillionaire]

Is KAT a great shooter? Yes. Is he a talented basketball player? Yes.

HOWEVER... his bball IQ on offense and defense is relatively low. He gets lost on rotations often and makes dumb fouls at the worst times. Then, on offense, he takes a lot of forced/bad shots... ie momentum killing shots. The cherry on top is his interviews and mindset... just listening to him, you get the sense that he's not a championship caliber player. He'll fold on the biggest stage more times than not. The Wolves would be wise to try to move him for better pieces... heck, they should go all in for Spida and send KAT and some picks to get it done. Spida + Gobert + Ant + McDaniels + Reid actually has a terrific chance of winning. KAT will continue to disappoint in this series despite his clear size/talent advantage over Washington. He lacks the dog in him...

I agree with a lot of that. I think here he would do well because Brunson is the 1A guy here so he doesn’t have to be that on offense here, and also with defenders like OG and if Mitch is still here to play the matchups with him and just the general scheme and culture for motivation I don’t think be a major liability on that end at all. He defended Jokic ok. Meanwhile he provides elite level shooting for a big man. His advanced stats have always been solid. Hartenstein and Mitch do not provide offense and while Randle is a very talented offensive player in general his shooting at times often leaves a lot to be desired. Randle also needs a lot of touches and isolation in order to do his thing, we have had success with that at times, but with towns we could really spread the floor. I think it would be great. There could be some matchups where we play him at the 4 for shooting with Mitch as rim protection and others where we can use him at the 5

Everyone knows I am a Randle fan, I do think towns is slightly better due to his outside shooting and the value that has in the modern nba but it’s only marginally better. There are some aspects Randle is better in. And there’s the continuity. I’d be sad to see Randle go after his run here

Randle and Bojan would work in a trade for him but I wouldn’t tack on very much else . Randle has value as a 3x all star. But eventually we gotta pay him again. If they decide to move him for a trade this would be a viable target

[sol537]

Is KAT $20m better than Randle though for 1-2 seasons? Not sure… Randle has better playmaking (for others) and he helped start this rebuild so not sure if it would be more than a wash lateral move. I’m not a big Randle fan either lol

[nedleeds]

HOWEVER... his bball IQ on offense and defense is relatively low. Then, on offense, he takes a lot of forced/bad shots... ie momentum killing shots. The cherry on top is his interviews and mindset...

Isn't this a KAT vs. Randle thread?

Randle takes far more awful shots and shoots at a way worse clip.

I agree he isn't $20 million more better. But again if Randle signs for $181 + then I'd rather just eat KATS contract.

[Kampuchea]

Glad to see everyone is enjoying the offseason. At least it’s a good and sensible debate since KAT and Randle are both likely to be traded.

[robillionaire]

Glad to see everyone is enjoying the offseason. At least it’s a good and sensible debate since KAT and Randle are both likely to be traded.

I wouldn’t say either are likely to be traded but there’s probably some chance of it if the stars align

[RHODEY]

Is KAT $20m better than Randle though for 1-2 seasons? Not sure… Randle has better playmaking (for others) and he helped start this rebuild so not sure if it would be more than a wash lateral move. I’m not a big Randle fan either lol

Dude was unplayable last night, the question should be ..is he better at all? I would much prefer Naz.

[aggo]

does anyone want to post images of Randle's post season stats?

let's start with the last 2 years with brunson.

Btw

I’m still waiting.

I’d like to see the data before proceeding over “who is a winner” debate

[spree2kawhi]

Which is also why Knicks probably wouldn't have to give up much besides Randle in a package too. Most folks are simply ignoring the impact of the 2nd apron as if teams could care less about it , especially small market teams. Not true at all. Teams are going to want to stay out of that 2nd tax apron which is extremely punitive both move wise and penalty in dollar wise.

Knicks may be one of the few teams with so many good contracts on the roster that they could take on KATs money.

People here love to trash Randle too like he has no value. Thats hilarious anyone who understands Basketball can see the effect Randle has when he is on the floor. Do you think he gets doubled almost every single time down low because he somehow sucks. Teams gameplan specifically for him. He totally opens up the floor for Brunson and the other shooters. Did we need see how Brunson was absolutely blitzed, abused and manhandled by every single team after we lost Reuben? Thats because there was no one they had to remotely respect down low once he was gone.

I think Minny would absolutley jump at the chance of getting out of KATs contract and running it back with Randle. He actually may be even a better fit with Goebert than KAT was

100%

There is some nonsense thrown around here regarding Towns that is hard to believe. Randle is very good too and very valuable. I like the guy very much and the contract is (still) good. But due to his low basketball IQ and streaky shooting, he’s still only our third best player. We’re more erratic with him than we were during these playoffs without him. Trading for Towns, who isn’t a perfect player but much more solid and unselfish, would iron out these flaws for this team.

Knicks re-sign OG
Knicks re-sign iShart
Knicks will have to give Brunson a bigger contract. Let's assume he'll manage his extension/option in a way that most benefits putting together a great team
Knicks probably need to put some $ into a backup PG, either what Rokas would be paid, or someone else for the MLE (if they still have it)

Knicks trade Randle and get KAT.

Where does all of the above put the Knicks 1st and 2nd tax apron wise? If it's a bad idea for Minny, it's also a bad idea for the Knicks.

I can't see Aller being into the Knicks blowing up their future flexibility for KAT.



I get the basketball reasons that Randle for KAT (and still trying to get Bridges) makes sense.

It's a team that can go big or go smaller.
It's a team built to get past Boston.
It's a really good team in general.
Can go 5 out with Towns at C.

I get that Randle is a really good player. This is about upgrade via a certain kind of fit. IF you believe that to be true. It SEEMS true to me, but who knows.

All of this is true. If they make such a big trade at all, which is obviously very unlikely, it could be an upgrade or mess with the chemistry. I’m basically saying Towns is a very big, very efficient shooter. In that regard, that’s an upgrade.

[WaltFrazier]

KAT 0-7 from 3 tonight in game 3. Not clutch

[KnixtapeH20]

Who's been worse in the playoffs Randle or KAT?

sheeshhh....

[RHODEY]

seems like its kind of a hot take. but id keep randle in a straight up 1 for 1.

kat is too soft and butted heads with thibs before. randle is not affraid of contact. might be slightly less of a shooter , but KAT is not the right guy for us and i think randle is better.

KAT needed Ant and Randle needed brunson.

The way you phrase it makes the post sound alright, but it’s just wrong

[Synciere]

I’m a Randle over Towns guy, and it’s not based on one game or series.

The thing about Towns I think people are missing is that acquiring him means we’d have to reconstruct our entire team both on and off the court. He’s not a culture fit, and while his shooting makes him a tenuous on court fit at best, we’d have to give up Hart and/or Mitch/iHart to make it work. Can you imagine Thibs blowing a gasket four times a game for 82 games after watching Towns rotate defensively? I think this whole conversation isn’t based in reality anyway because Minny should be looking to add to their core, not reconfigure their whole team after this showing in the playoffs.

Randle’s biggest problem right now is that he holds the ball on offense and isn’t a good shooter from 3 most years, but after watching the team these playoffs I think he comes back much more ready to share and move the ball, something he’s already shown to be pretty excellent at. It’s easier to add shooting to the team than to make the adjustments we’d need to in order to fit Towns in.

[Synciere]

:nod:

Is KAT a great shooter? Yes. Is he a talented basketball player? Yes.

HOWEVER... his bball IQ on offense and defense is relatively low. He gets lost on rotations often and makes dumb fouls at the worst times. Then, on offense, he takes a lot of forced/bad shots... ie momentum killing shots. The cherry on top is his interviews and mindset... just listening to him, you get the sense that he's not a championship caliber player. He'll fold on the biggest stage more times than not. The Wolves would be wise to try to move him for better pieces... heck, they should go all in for Spida and send KAT and some picks to get it done. Spida + Gobert + Ant + McDaniels + Reid actually has a terrific chance of winning. KAT will continue to disappoint in this series despite his clear size/talent advantage over Washington. He lacks the dog in him...

I agree with a lot of that. I think here he would do well because Brunson is the 1A guy here so he doesn’t have to be that on offense here, and also with defenders like OG and if Mitch is still here to play the matchups with him and just the general scheme and culture for motivation I don’t think be a major liability on that end at all. He defended Jokic ok. Meanwhile he provides elite level shooting for a big man. His advanced stats have always been solid. Hartenstein and Mitch do not provide offense and while Randle is a very talented offensive player in general his shooting at times often leaves a lot to be desired. Randle also needs a lot of touches and isolation in order to do his thing, we have had success with that at times, but with towns we could really spread the floor. I think it would be great. There could be some matchups where we play him at the 4 for shooting with Mitch as rim protection and others where we can use him at the 5

Everyone knows I am a Randle fan, I do think towns is slightly better due to his outside shooting and the value that has in the modern nba but it’s only marginally better. There are some aspects Randle is better in. And there’s the continuity. I’d be sad to see Randle go after his run here

Randle and Bojan would work in a trade for him but I wouldn’t tack on very much else . Randle has value as a 3x all star. But eventually we gotta pay him again. If they decide to move him for a trade this would be a viable target

Even a max extension for Randle comes out to something like 45 a year right? Towns’s last year is more than 60 I think. We need to be better about how we spend our money. I’d blow a gasket if Brunson actually takes less to stay and they we blow those savings on a Towns. There are better guys for us than him.