Knicks - Bulls PG

[rajajackal]

Not much talk about Randle’s defense last night but I thought that was one of his best defensive performances of the year. If OG’s presence is making Randle hustle more on defense then this trade just keeps getting better.

i peeped that too. felt it was infectious for the whole team. even donte, and evidently hartenstein. og is like super glue for this team. we looked like the globe trotters before he got his 2nd foul in the first. the early pull threw us off for a minute cause our bench is basura but his impact on this team is truly immeasurable. randle wasn't the problem forward all along

[Reign23]

just watched. Randle and Brunson are playing at such an incredible level, I've never thought they could get to.
just bonkers.

[MrDollarBills]

Brunson has 27 assists in the last two games.

Having floor spacers on the wings makes the game so much easier for someone who knows how to play the correct way.

Also, having no one else to handle the ball

Not taking away from his distributing, but it's more a factor of, nobody else can do it so it has to be him. His assist% is 28.5 on the season, 47.4 the last 2 games

Ast% is a pretty neutral stat, you can't really glean much from it by itself, but when you watch the team play, it's clear we need another shot creator/playmaker. The way we play now isn't sustainable, and Brunson/Randle are gonna get burnt out by the playoffs if we need 40 minutes out of them to beat the Bulls.

Yeah that supplementary move needs to happen yesterday.

Murray is the move, short term imo.

[Capn'O]

Not much talk about Randle’s defense last night but I thought that was one of his best defensive performances of the year. If OG’s presence is making Randle hustle more on defense then this trade just keeps getting better.

i peeped that too. felt it was infectious for the whole team. even donte, and evidently hartenstein. og is like super glue for this team. we looked like the globe trotters before he got his 2nd foul in the first. the early pull threw us off for a minute cause our bench is basura but his impact on this team is truly immeasurable. randle wasn't the problem forward all along

I was talking elsewhere about Fournier recently and while you couldn't really point to it he had a sedative sort of effect on the team. OG is the opposite. Everyone's game looks a little sharper* with OG next to them.



*Brunson's shooting was off vs the Wolves but his skyrocketing assist numbers are fascinating, aren't they?

[mpharris36]

Not much talk about Randle’s defense last night but I thought that was one of his best defensive performances of the year. If OG’s presence is making Randle hustle more on defense then this trade just keeps getting better.

i peeped that too. felt it was infectious for the whole team. even donte, and evidently hartenstein. og is like super glue for this team. we looked like the globe trotters before he got his 2nd foul in the first. the early pull threw us off for a minute cause our bench is basura but his impact on this team is truly immeasurable. randle wasn't the problem forward all along

I was talking elsewhere about Fournier recently and while you couldn't really point to it he had a sedative sort of effect on the team. OG is the opposite. Everyone's game looks a little sharper* with OG next to them.



*Brunson's shooting was off vs the Wolves but his skyrocketing assist numbers are fascinating, aren't they?

two thing go into that IMO

We have better spacing with OG

We have no ball handlers on the roster outside of Brunson.

IQ and RJ would run a lot of P&R for us...now outside of a Randle post up we literally spam Brunson P&R. Now that will increase his assist numbers but we are even much more reliant on brunson then we were previously...so its very important to get an additional shot creator/ball handler on this team in the worst way. Can't be having Brunson playing 40 a night with that level of usage and expect him to hold up.

[Knicks Byke]

why are yall so high on murray?

DD is the better fit for the SL.

[K_ick_God]

why are yall so high on murray?

DD is the better fit for the SL.

Yute.

[TrueWarrior]

Julius did play better defense and hustled more last night. OG sparked some things.

Whats maddening about him is thats how he played during the 20-21 season when he was being serenaded with MVP chants. He was legitimately playing great defense and running like crazy, while being basically our whole offense. Thats what endeared him the most to us, and why we turned on him when he stopped the next season.

Whats clear is Julius only busted his ass like that to get a contract and because he was feelin heat by Obi being drafted that year. If he can ever manage to bring that intensity back this team would be looking scary.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/nba-player-ratings/

RAPTOR supports that Julius was way better on D in 20-21 than any other year. According to the numbers it was the only season he was a positive on defense. We know he has it in him and thats whats frustrating. He was better on offense last year but a lot worse on defense.

[Tron Carter]

why are yall so high on murray?

DD is the better fit for the SL.

none of these people actually watch Murray.

They just look at the counting stats, see he’s a former all star who made an all defensive team 6 years ago, and assume he’d be a “good fit”

[sol537]

I think it’s gonna be more about who is available at a fair price verse who we think is the best fit…

Ainge may have crazy asks as usual… so we may have to deal with Atlanta or Detroit… maybe Burks is in the mix…

[nykballa2k4]

:lol:

Read on Twitter

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Gotta love him

[Clyde_Style]

Trade lust gone wild.

Leon clearly has the chips to bolster the roster, but he’s also proven himself to be patient and cautious. If another deal is coming this season it will almost certainly be right up against the deadline, so keep your powder dry and just enjoy the next month or so.

Randle and Brunson are going to put on a damn show. Enjoy it. Maybe one of our young guys or role players steps up and surprises. Sh*t look at Hartenstein. Give it a minute.

You nailed multiple points. Amen

I've grown to respect the patience of this FO even though they've had to recover from some missteps at times.

Warren Buffet said "Don't lose money" and what I like is this FO has not made a fatal move. That's way more important than what many impatient trigger happy fans may realize.

I'm fine with them waiting for the next opportunity, because getting OG and moving RJ in the same deal was the kind of winning trade that makes you profitable even after multiple small losses. So, yeah, let them keep their powder dry and let's give the bench more time to succeed or fail. Our starting unit is now solid enough that we can afford to do stress tests on the rest of the roster until the next trade materializes.

They don't need a move today but they need to be rapidly assessing what the team's needs are and opening introductory inquiries to address them by the deadline. This group... I think it has the horses to advance in the playoffs. Brunson and Randle are having massive seasons and our role players complement what they do well. But our bench unit can't get smoked if we're gonna do anything. Even last year in the playoffs, we got absolutely waxed when Brunson was out of the game. We have the pieces to make a move that improves the short term outlook without breaking our long term flexibility.

This team has entered a different stage of building than a lot of us are used to. We have a good team a
nd the time horizon to build a great one is not way into the future as contracts (iHart and OG) will start to limit our flexibility as soon as next season.

I agree in that the FO has hit the inflection point they were building up towards and now they will be seeking to make 2 to 3 final moves before next season to complete their agenda. That does mean another trade or two could happen in the next month before the trade deadline. And perhaps there will be a whopper of a trade in the off-season to cap it all off.

But we are definitely moving into the stages of the FO presenting their final product meant to contend in the coming year or less.

That said, I think the next 2-4 weeks are when they are seeking to determine if Deuce and Grimes can uncork their butts and haul some ass or else they'll be fed to the wood chipper.

My feeling is they had hopes for Grimes and want to give him a shot at overcoming a bad season, because the guy who ended last season was someone to get excited about. But they may not wait long so he better get hoppin

[cgf]

Isn’t it interesting that Thibs was gonna keep iHart on the bench after the Mitch injury?

A genius lineup and rotations guy Thibs is not.

I see a lot of momentum for iHart to remain the starter, even though he's not the defender Mitch is. Are those in favor of keeping iHart as a starter also in favor of resigning him to a deal greater than Mitch's? How high should the Knicks be willing to go to resign him? 15 mil? 18?

The max we can offer him is a deal starting at 14.5M, I'd give him that. But I'd also play him & Mitch pretty evenly.

[cgf]

J. Randle - J. Hart - Q. Grimes - P. Achiuwa - M. McBride
2 games
8 mins
81.3 ORTG
162.5 DRTG
-81.3 NRTG

Don’t do this again Thibs

Yeah. If we try Julius without Brunson again, I really hope it's with DDV, Grimes, Hart, and either iHart or OG. But I'm not against just resting them together and hoping we can survive the 10-12mpg they'll need to play until we get some reinforcements.

[Capn'O]

You nailed multiple points. Amen

I've grown to respect the patience of this FO even though they've had to recover from some missteps at times.

Warren Buffet said "Don't lose money" and what I like is this FO has not made a fatal move. That's way more important than what many impatient trigger happy fans may realize.

I'm fine with them waiting for the next opportunity, because getting OG and moving RJ in the same deal was the kind of winning trade that makes you profitable even after multiple small losses. So, yeah, let them keep their powder dry and let's give the bench more time to succeed or fail. Our starting unit is now solid enough that we can afford to do stress tests on the rest of the roster until the next trade materializes.

They don't need a move today but they need to be rapidly assessing what the team's needs are and opening introductory inquiries to address them by the deadline. This group... I think it has the horses to advance in the playoffs. Brunson and Randle are having massive seasons and our role players complement what they do well. But our bench unit can't get smoked if we're gonna do anything. Even last year in the playoffs, we got absolutely waxed when Brunson was out of the game. We have the pieces to make a move that improves the short term outlook without breaking our long term flexibility.

This team has entered a different stage of building than a lot of us are used to. We have a good team a
nd the time horizon to build a great one is not way into the future as contracts (iHart and OG) will start to limit our flexibility as soon as next season.

I agree in that the FO has hit the inflection point they were building up towards and now they will be seeking to make 2 to 3 final moves before next season to complete their agenda. That does mean another trade or two could happen in the next month before the trade deadline. And perhaps there will be a whopper of a trade in the off-season to cap it all off.

But we are definitely moving into the stages of the FO presenting their final product meant to contend in the coming year or less.

That said, I think the next 2-4 weeks are when they are seeking to determine if Deuce and Grimes can uncork their butts and haul some ass or else they'll be fed to the wood chipper.

My feeling is they had hopes for Grimes and want to give him a shot at overcoming a bad season, because the guy who ended last season was someone to get excited about. But they may not wait long so he better get hoppin

I feel good about Grimes taking a step forward too but we need to actually see it.

[cgmw]

You nailed multiple points. Amen

I've grown to respect the patience of this FO even though they've had to recover from some missteps at times.

Warren Buffet said "Don't lose money" and what I like is this FO has not made a fatal move. That's way more important than what many impatient trigger happy fans may realize.

I'm fine with them waiting for the next opportunity, because getting OG and moving RJ in the same deal was the kind of winning trade that makes you profitable even after multiple small losses. So, yeah, let them keep their powder dry and let's give the bench more time to succeed or fail. Our starting unit is now solid enough that we can afford to do stress tests on the rest of the roster until the next trade materializes.

They don't need a move today but they need to be rapidly assessing what the team's needs are and opening introductory inquiries to address them by the deadline. This group... I think it has the horses to advance in the playoffs. Brunson and Randle are having massive seasons and our role players complement what they do well. But our bench unit can't get smoked if we're gonna do anything. Even last year in the playoffs, we got absolutely waxed when Brunson was out of the game. We have the pieces to make a move that improves the short term outlook without breaking our long term flexibility.

This team has entered a different stage of building than a lot of us are used to. We have a good team a
nd the time horizon to build a great one is not way into the future as contracts (iHart and OG) will start to limit our flexibility as soon as next season.

I agree in that the FO has hit the inflection point they were building up towards and now they will be seeking to make 2 to 3 final moves before next season to complete their agenda. That does mean another trade or two could happen in the next month before the trade deadline. And perhaps there will be a whopper of a trade in the off-season to cap it all off.

But we are definitely moving into the stages of the FO presenting their final product meant to contend in the coming year or less.

That said, I think the next 2-4 weeks are when they are seeking to determine if Deuce and Grimes can uncork their butts and haul some ass or else they'll be fed to the wood chipper.

My feeling is they had hopes for Grimes and want to give him a shot at overcoming a bad season, because the guy who ended last season was someone to get excited about. But they may not wait long so he better get hoppin

The final product won’t have a single rotation player with fewer than 5 years experience. Maaaaaybe one backup center as 10th man or something like that, but the plan all along has been to deal draft picks and draftees for vets.

[Clyde_Style]

They don't need a move today but they need to be rapidly assessing what the team's needs are and opening introductory inquiries to address them by the deadline. This group... I think it has the horses to advance in the playoffs. Brunson and Randle are having massive seasons and our role players complement what they do well. But our bench unit can't get smoked if we're gonna do anything. Even last year in the playoffs, we got absolutely waxed when Brunson was out of the game. We have the pieces to make a move that improves the short term outlook without breaking our long term flexibility.

This team has entered a different stage of building than a lot of us are used to. We have a good team a
nd the time horizon to build a great one is not way into the future as contracts (iHart and OG) will start to limit our flexibility as soon as next season.

I agree in that the FO has hit the inflection point they were building up towards and now they will be seeking to make 2 to 3 final moves before next season to complete their agenda. That does mean another trade or two could happen in the next month before the trade deadline. And perhaps there will be a whopper of a trade in the off-season to cap it all off.

But we are definitely moving into the stages of the FO presenting their final product meant to contend in the coming year or less.

That said, I think the next 2-4 weeks are when they are seeking to determine if Deuce and Grimes can uncork their butts and haul some ass or else they'll be fed to the wood chipper.

My feeling is they had hopes for Grimes and want to give him a shot at overcoming a bad season, because the guy who ended last season was someone to get excited about. But they may not wait long so he better get hoppin

The final product won’t have a single rotation player with fewer than 5 years experience. Maaaaaybe one backup center as 10th man or something like that, but the plan all along has been to deal draft picks and draftees for vets.

Considering they have pretty much sat out the last two drafts and stockpiled picks, we can assume they're going to use those as well to acquire the remaining veterans. Netting a player like OG worked so I hope the rest of the moves are equally good. If it works we'll have a window to get things done of 2-3 years perhaps and then it will be back to the woodshed.

[Guano]

Isn’t it interesting that Thibs was gonna keep iHart on the bench after the Mitch injury?

A genius lineup and rotations guy Thibs is not.

I see a lot of momentum for iHart to remain the starter, even though he's not the defender Mitch is. Are those in favor of keeping iHart as a starter also in favor of resigning him to a deal greater than Mitch's? How high should the Knicks be willing to go to resign him? 15 mil? 18?

The max we can offer him is a deal starting at 14.5M, I'd give him that. But I'd also play him & Mitch pretty evenly.

That's it?

He is gone

[Clyde_Style]

I just watched the game again

We started to pull away with 8 minutes left in the game

It was truly due to hustle on our part. Guys like iHart and Hart making the extra tip of the ball to get extra chances on the offensive end

We intercepted their passing lanes more than once and had fast breaks

It was like we imposed our will on them both on defense and on the offensive boards and blew them out very quickly after that

We created pace and pushed the ball upcourt at every chance

Glad I rewatched it, because it was clear as day it wasn't like we suddenly out-talented them at the end of the game. We just outworked them, because up to that point the game was close

[Clyde_Style]

I see a lot of momentum for iHart to remain the starter, even though he's not the defender Mitch is. Are those in favor of keeping iHart as a starter also in favor of resigning him to a deal greater than Mitch's? How high should the Knicks be willing to go to resign him? 15 mil? 18?

The max we can offer him is a deal starting at 14.5M, I'd give him that. But I'd also play him & Mitch pretty evenly.

That's it?

He is gone

Can't we match other offers?