PG: Knicks unclutch fall to Magic, Randle and Divo miss crucial freethrows

[Jalen Bluntson]

Oh ...and the OP wrong... Deuce didn't miss any crucial FTs...wtf you talking about.

It was Donte

[stuporman]

Oh ...and the OP wrong... Deuce didn't miss any crucial FTs...wtf you talking about.

It was Donte

I know who it was...apparently the OP is still numb from the heartbreak.

[Im Coming Home]

Oh ...and the OP wrong... Deuce didn't miss any crucial FTs...wtf you talking about.

It was Donte

I know who it was...apparently the OP is still numb from the heartbreak.

typo my bad.

[Buttah304]

I’m still confused as to what Randle was doing defensively when the Knicks were up 89-85 with 4:30 to go. Cole Anthony was being guarded 1 on 1 by OG and going absolutely nowhere. In fact he picked up his dribble 2.5 feet outside the FT line and for some reason Julius thought he should do a stunt and recover but no play was developing whatsoever for him to leave Okeke wide open for his 4th three of the game. For whatever reason this play sticks out to me and is really disappointing.

[JXL]

Like I said, bench is basura without a shot creator, but don't blame Randle for that. I think the ankle affected his movement and ability to pull up jump shots.

Also, asking Randle to open the floor for everyone puts more pressure to create, which he can do, but that's not a mentality I want from him. He's more effective as a bulldozer forward, not a point forward.

[cgf]

He's getting blame because he deserves it... he proved to everyone that he can't be a second option on a contending team. With JB out, this was his opportunity to put the team on his back and show that he can carry us when our best guy goes down. And he shat the bed completely... sloppy offensively, lazy defensively, a dud in the clutch, and his body language/attitude is just trash when things don't go his way.

This was a game the Knicks could have and should have won. Matchups aren't an excuse here, we are just too reliant on JB because Randle isn't good enough to step up and lead the team when we need him to. He's a third option masquerading as a second option.

This I don't understand. How did Julius reinforcing what we already knew, prove anything about the playoffs? If Dame goes down then the bucks won't win another close game against a good team for the rest of the season, does that mean that Giannis can't be the second option on a contending team? When Embiid goes down, is Maxey carrying Philly to many wins against playoff teams? I watched Maxey lose to the Hawks & Bulls without Embiid

We know Randle needs Brunson to run the offense at the ends of games unless Julius is on fire, but that doesn't tell us if Julius will be able to start delivering in the playoffs like he does the regular season with Brunson and two ankles that don't need surgery.

Because there has been so much talk of him turning the corner but he turns into the same pouty, lazy loser as before. He hasn't even been TRYING with Brunson out. It would be one thing if he fought valiantly and gave a huge effort to even attempt to make up for JB's absence but he did not even scratch that. Not encouraging at all if he's supposed to be our 2nd guy.

Two prongs, my first is that this still doesn't answer my question; what does that have to do with how he plays with Brunson? I've become one of his biggest fans over the years after initially hating his game, and if Brunson goes down we're absolutely f***ed. But that doesn't mean we're f***ed if Brunson doesn't go down

Thus my comparison to Dame going down on Giannis, who we just saw get embarrassed in the first round because Middleton was too beaten up to run the show for the Bucks in crunch time. Some players are so good that they can do it all, but most players have limitations that you need to work around which is why fit & chemistry is so important.


I also think people are being unfair to him, not saying he was busting his ass on every play and throwing his body around like Hart does, but a lot of people are glossing over him rolling his ankle earlier in the game and the way that limited his jumping for the rest of the game.

Julius was playing like s*** but he was still really physical on the glass, he worked hard to create open looks for his team-mates when he realized he didn't have it...atleast 4-5 open ones I can remember them failing to convert; 2 Achiuwa fumbled layups and 2-3 open 3s...and he still laid down a full out sprint to try & chase Fultz down for that big dunk he had in the 2nd half, that nobody mentioned.

And there was nothing fake about the hustle on that play. I scrolled back to rewatch it and that was an "I'm not gonna miss this god-damn bus again" sprint

[cgf]

I’m still confused as to what Randle was doing defensively when the Knicks were up 89-85 with 4:30 to go. Cole Anthony was being guarded 1 on 1 by OG and going absolutely nowhere. In fact he picked up his dribble 2.5 feet outside the FT line and for some reason Julius thought he should do a stunt and recover but no play was developing whatsoever for him to leave Okeke wide open for his 4th three of the game. For whatever reason this play sticks out to me and is really disappointing.

Julius makes some decisions as a help defender that I'll just never understand. They're not even always "the lazy play", he creates extra work for himself way too much for them to be an effective method of energy conservation

Maybe after seeing how much film study helped his offense, he'll start to really dig into the tape of his defense? *fingerscrossed*

[duetta]

Grimes saved Thibs’ job last season and this is the thanks he gets…

Absolutely true. Grimes did save his job.

Grimes is also too passive out there - and we don't run anything that caters to his strength.

OG is a great defender but is also getting exposed on offense when not hitting the three.

[duetta]

Y’all still too boogie for Murray?

If he's not helping Atlanta win, how is he the answer here? How different are Trae and Brunson?

[duetta]

Only if we kept Obi or gotten some PF who can step up when Randle is injured. They have a few weeks left to address this stuff.

Whoever came up with the idea that they could use Hart as anything but a failsafe backup for Randle deserved to be fired.

[cgf]

Y’all still too boogie for Murray?

If he's not helping Atlanta win, how is he the answer here? How different are Trae and Brunson?

Brunson is a better shooter and more active offball guy...even if he doesn't have Trae's vision/playmaking.

[Ursusamericanus]

This I don't understand. How did Julius reinforcing what we already knew, prove anything about the playoffs? If Dame goes down then the bucks won't win another close game against a good team for the rest of the season, does that mean that Giannis can't be the second option on a contending team? When Embiid goes down, is Maxey carrying Philly to many wins against playoff teams? I watched Maxey lose to the Hawks & Bulls without Embiid

We know Randle needs Brunson to run the offense at the ends of games unless Julius is on fire, but that doesn't tell us if Julius will be able to start delivering in the playoffs like he does the regular season with Brunson and two ankles that don't need surgery.

Because there has been so much talk of him turning the corner but he turns into the same pouty, lazy loser as before. He hasn't even been TRYING with Brunson out. It would be one thing if he fought valiantly and gave a huge effort to even attempt to make up for JB's absence but he did not even scratch that. Not encouraging at all if he's supposed to be our 2nd guy.

Two prongs, my first is that this still doesn't answer my question; what does that have to do with how he plays with Brunson? I've become one of his biggest fans over the years after initially hating his game, and if Brunson goes down we're absolutely f***ed. But that doesn't mean we're f***ed if Brunson doesn't go down

Thus my comparison to Dame going down on Giannis, who we just saw get embarrassed in the first round because Middleton was too beaten up to run the show for the Bucks in crunch time. Some players are so good that they can do it all, but most players have limitations that you need to work around which is why fit & chemistry is so important.


I also think people are being unfair to him, not saying he was busting his ass on every play and throwing his body around like Hart does, but a lot of people are glossing over him rolling his ankle earlier in the game and the way that limited his jumping for the rest of the game.

Julius was playing like s*** but he was still really physical on the glass, he worked hard to create open looks for his team-mates when he realized he didn't have it...atleast 4-5 open ones I can remember them failing to convert; 2 Achiuwa fumbled layups and 2-3 open 3s...and he still laid down a full out sprint to try & chase Fultz down for that big dunk he had in the 2nd half, that nobody mentioned.

And there was nothing fake about the hustle on that play. I scrolled back to rewatch it and that was an "I'm not gonna miss this god-damn bus again" sprint

It has a lot to do with it. My point is about EFFORT whether or not Brunson is there. He did not even try. Yes, Brunson opens up his game a lot, but surely he should be able to put together slightly better performances even when JB sits?! This was atrocious. If I saw him trying hard it would be one thing, but he did not. And no, he was weak on the glass and gave up easy offensive rebounds (as he did towards the end of the Dallas loss). Again, it's about effort. When Middleton went down, Giannis still tried very hard. Randle just crumbles and stops giving a **** when things don't go well (whether JB is in or not). That's not what you want from a 2nd option.

And yes, Achiuwa fumbles were terrible and I felt for Julius there. No denying it.

But no one is being unfair to him. He simply isn't a good 2nd option IMO. Most guys aren't, he just falls into that category. I think he's a great 3rd option, FWIW, akin to a Bosh or Siakam.

I am not asking him to be shipped out... not yet anyway, pending the 2024 playoffs and an honest appraisal of his performance.

[Iron Mantis]

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This.

Zion to NY. Make it happen.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Like I said, bench is basura without a shot creator, but don't blame Randle for that. I think the ankle affected his movement and ability to pull up jump shots.

Also, asking Randle to open the floor for everyone puts more pressure to create, which he can do, but that's not a mentality I want from him. He's more effective as a bulldozer forward, not a point forward.

I thought it was good that he tried to create, especially when other things weren’t working. Got some guys some good looks.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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This.

Zion to NY. Make it happen.

Careful what you wish for. Way more restaurants and IG models here.

[2010]

Y’all still too boogie for Murray?

If he's not helping Atlanta win, how is he the answer here? How different are Trae and Brunson?

Brunson is a better shooter and more active offball guy...even if he doesn't have Trae's vision/playmaking.

This. And to add to that, we have a better supporting cast and a more defensive minded team (especially after the OG acquisition).

[ctorres]

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This.

Zion to NY. Make it happen.

or Lebron to NY

So crazy it makes sense

I've been obsessed with the idea today, lol

[3toheadmelo]

there's really no other creator out there that's available besides brogdon and dejounte. we saw how washed brogdon looked like against us so hes not really going to help out with much. so you go get dejounte

[RHODEY]

there's really no other creator out there that's available besides brogdon and dejounte. we saw how washed brogdon looked like against us so hes not really going to help out with much. so you go get dejounte

He's not washed, it was a bad game.My source? Portland fans that have no reason to lie.

[cgf]

Because there has been so much talk of him turning the corner but he turns into the same pouty, lazy loser as before. He hasn't even been TRYING with Brunson out. It would be one thing if he fought valiantly and gave a huge effort to even attempt to make up for JB's absence but he did not even scratch that. Not encouraging at all if he's supposed to be our 2nd guy.

Two prongs, my first is that this still doesn't answer my question; what does that have to do with how he plays with Brunson? I've become one of his biggest fans over the years after initially hating his game, and if Brunson goes down we're absolutely f***ed. But that doesn't mean we're f***ed if Brunson doesn't go down

Thus my comparison to Dame going down on Giannis, who we just saw get embarrassed in the first round because Middleton was too beaten up to run the show for the Bucks in crunch time. Some players are so good that they can do it all, but most players have limitations that you need to work around which is why fit & chemistry is so important.


I also think people are being unfair to him, not saying he was busting his ass on every play and throwing his body around like Hart does, but a lot of people are glossing over him rolling his ankle earlier in the game and the way that limited his jumping for the rest of the game.

Julius was playing like s*** but he was still really physical on the glass, he worked hard to create open looks for his team-mates when he realized he didn't have it...atleast 4-5 open ones I can remember them failing to convert; 2 Achiuwa fumbled layups and 2-3 open 3s...and he still laid down a full out sprint to try & chase Fultz down for that big dunk he had in the 2nd half, that nobody mentioned.

And there was nothing fake about the hustle on that play. I scrolled back to rewatch it and that was an "I'm not gonna miss this god-damn bus again" sprint

It has a lot to do with it. My point is about EFFORT whether or not Brunson is there. He did not even try. Yes, Brunson opens up his game a lot, but surely he should be able to put together slightly better performances even when JB sits?! This was atrocious. If I saw him trying hard it would be one thing, but he did not. And no, he was weak on the glass and gave up easy offensive rebounds (as he did towards the end of the Dallas loss). Again, it's about effort. When Middleton went down, Giannis still tried very hard. Randle just crumbles and stops giving a **** when things don't go well (whether JB is in or not). That's not what you want from a 2nd option.

And yes, Achiuwa fumbles were terrible and I felt for Julius there. No denying it.

But no one is being unfair to him. He simply isn't a good 2nd option IMO. Most guys aren't, he just falls into that category. I think he's a great 3rd option, FWIW, akin to a Bosh or Siakam.

I am not asking him to be shipped out... not yet anyway, pending the 2024 playoffs and an honest appraisal of his performance.

I guess we just disagree about his effort. Is there some way for me to download the footage from league pass? If I get bored enough, and getting the footage was easy enough, I might go through and put together a compilation of all of the plays I thought showed him playing hard and all of the lazy plays. Because I would be interested in getting a more objective tally going that we could all watch to confirm the count.

Maybe I'll just skim through the game, keeping track of each Randle play that I think falls into either category so that others can go back and check the timestamps to see if they agree with my assessment. Then we could get some #s going, because I'm curious if I'm just biased towards him, or if his lazy plays really aren't that much more frequent than other stars' & they just stick out more.


Though I guess we may also disagree on what it takes to be a #2, because I don't think your #2 has to be someone like Wade or KD who you can bank on to win games for the team even if your #1 is out. That obviously makes it way easier, but you can win a title with a #2 who needs their #1 to be on the court to shine. You just can't have a fragile #1, or you need a fantastic #3 who can kinda compensate.

That said, I do think Julius would be best off as the 3...or 2b...if we could've brought in someone like Jimmy to be our #1.