PG: Brunson is MVP candidate

[Fat Kat]

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[stuporman]

For all the hand wringing about Grimes trade value he's still hitting 40% from 3 since the trade, the 'zero' takes are nonsensical, teams know he can shoot it and plays defense, that still has value in the league so is why there are teams that want him. They aren't fickle fans that are prisoners of the moment.

Yeah but how much value?

Would you trade an unprotected first for him if you were a fringe team like, say, Orlando or Chicago?

It's not as little as some are portraying here, FOs aren't as short sighted like these fans seem to be.

Unprotected firsts are the current gold standard so teams aren't tossing them around lightly but he likely still has one first round pick value from a low seeded/fringe team if that was part of a package for a fairly desirable player they themselves are shopping or looking to move on from. A tanking team or one trying to slash salary could change that value assessment depending on the player they are trading away.

It may be true his value is lower now than it was at other points but we don't actually know what these professionals really think and to suggest we do from twitter rumors is laughable.

[duetta]

Hard to know what's going on with Grimes, aside from the fact that his confidence has taken a huge hit, and it is impacting his shooting. It happens. I do not doubt that he will go somewhere else and find his place in the NBA.

I turned off the game after halftime last night to watch 90s TV shows on Tubi. I increasingly do not want to watch a Thibs-coached team. He's not the coach who will take this team to the next level.

Brunson is a terrific scorer, OG is terrific on defense, but the rest of our roster is hopelessly flawed or suspect. Knicks will never win at an elite level when our best two scorers are terrible on defense, and everyone else needs to cover for them.

[Gravy]

This game shows how important Josh Hart is. He's the only reliable guy on the bench by far, even if he's not shooting well he does so many other things.

[DOT]

It's not as little as some are portraying here, FOs aren't as short sighted like these fans seem to be.

Unprotected firsts are the current gold standard so teams aren't tossing them around lightly but he likely still has one first round pick value from a low seeded/fringe team if that was part of a package for a fairly desirable player they themselves are shopping or looking to move on from. A tanking team or one trying to slash salary could change that value assessment depending on the player they are trading away.

It may be true his value is lower now than it was at other points but we don't actually know what these professionals really think and to suggest we do from twitter rumors is laughable.

Right, but that's what I mean

At this point, it wouldn't be Grimes and picks for a star, it'd be picks and Grimes. He wouldn't be a throw-in, but the main thing they'd be trading for would be the picks, not him

That's why I think the Dejounte for 2 1sts and Grimes is a believable rumor, cause they traded 3 1sts for Murray 2 years ago, getting 2 back plus Grimes would be close enough value for him

Also, your last sentence just means you don't think anyone should speculate about anything, ever. If you actually thought like that, you wouldn't've ever even made a profile on here.

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thibs see this he will never take OG out of the game ever!

[spree2kawhi]

My takeaway, again: Randle fumbles the ball more often than not. Wtf is wrong with him and the coaches who let that happen all the time?!

[Fat Kat]

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The last time the Wizards had a 50 win season, Wes Unseld Sr. was on the team.

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jesus

[duetta]

One more point. Knicks management should have been willing to pay IQ. Terrific work ethic, no lack of confidence, great skills. Everyone with even a semblance of basketball ability will end up eventually being overpaid. After destroying Grimes' value, he should have been in the offer to Toronto with either the Knicks or the Dallas pick going, and the Detroit #2 staying. IQ is exactly what we're looking to replace. Stupid, just stupid.

[sol537]

Hard to know what's going on with Grimes, aside from the fact that his confidence has taken a huge hit, and it is impacting his shooting. It happens. I do not doubt that he will go somewhere else and find his place in the NBA.

I turned off the game after halftime last night to watch 90s TV shows on Tubi. I increasingly do not want to watch a Thibs-coached team. He's not the coach who will take this team to the next level.

Brunson is a terrific scorer, OG is terrific on defense, but the rest of our roster is hopelessly flawed or suspect. Knicks will never win at an elite level when our best two scorers are terrible on defense, and everyone else needs to cover for them.

Brunson has become a bit more respectable on defense because of his hustle and smarts. He's one of the smartest charge getters and his hands at swiping at the ball are decent. He's way better than Trae Young.

Randle is trash on defense most of the time but he can dial it up and be decent at times. The hope is he brings it all game in a playoff game. We've seen it before... at times...

[spree2kawhi]

brunson the best scoring PG in the league

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The SG in SGA doesn’t make him a shooting guard. And there are more guards on explosive teams you shouldn’t forget.

[NYKinMIA]

couldn't watch until 4th. thank gawd for Brunson man.

now, can someone tell me why randle was moping around like a kid who dropped his ice cream?

[iLLmatic860]

He has to be an all-star this season, right

[3toheadmelo]

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3rd best net rating and 8-2 since the trade. Thanks leon!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Burks doesn’t make sense from a contract standpoint since he’s expiring. Knicks shouldn’t waste Grimes or Fournier on a rental that won’t move the needle.

And he def doesn’t make sense if Thibs is gonna use him how he used him last time. Strictly as a floor spacer who can attack close outs, I think he’s great value.

But I don’t trust Thibs

And as floor spacer does he even really add much? We have floor spacers, but need more creators. At this point in his career I don’t think we can expect to Burks to carry the bench offense and create like that when Brunson is on the bench. It is not even just replacing IQ, but also replacing RJ who carried some of that offensive load.

It’s kind of a deeper issue where we need a legit #3 and 6th man type. That’s where Murray is more interesting because he can fill that #3 type role, and Donte can move into the 6th man role. Even that is probably not enough.

But if we are just adding one bench piece, it’ll help, but think we will still have some struggles because no one guy can make up for Brunsons impact when he sits. There will be a big dip. It’s a bandaid approach, which is fine, just as long as the cost isn’t too much. And also, still think we are just better off hoping Deuce and even Grimes can still come thru over the bandaid approach since there is a lot more upside in them possibly breaking out.

It still brings up the Fournier contract point. If a team is looking to shed long term salary maybe the move is trading Fournier for a 2 year contract of a player a team just wants to get rid of and a pick we can use to swap later.

[spree2kawhi]

im gonna throw up if we trade grimes for kennard

I think literally.

[spree2kawhi]

my problem is kennard is a slow-footed penguin. better off playing fournier.

It is true though.

[mpharris36]

my problem is kennard is a slow-footed penguin. better off playing fournier.

It is true though.

we both watched fournier last night, right?