PG: Knicks vs ATL

[Parraknick]

last thing I'm going to say. I'm pissed about this game but it took the refs and us having one of our worst shooting nights from 3 and the ft line for them to win. this is a Hawks team that just beat the Cavs by an average of 12 pts in back to back games, beat the Bucks by like 15, and knocked the Celtics out of the cup race.

I believe with some coaching adjustments, we win despite what went bad tonight. Anyway, on to the next. Learn from this.

I’d love to agree with this, but let’s be honest, they could play a lot better than they did tonight (ATL)

[Besart19]

Our next game on the 19th?

next game will tell us if we suck or if the players sabotaged Thibs to have some rest days

[3toheadmelo]

Who knew Mazzulla would be as good as he is? There's somebody on an NBA bench right now that everyone wants as their next coach.

Good point, but with the Knicks luck it would never work out. We tried that with Derek Fisher

We had Johnnie Bryant, he should have been promoted. We still have Dice, but he's a Thibs disciple so who knows. But there has to be a coach that is more willing to try different things and adjust based on who we're playing.

Imagine Dice is a Thibs mini me

I’m a Thibs guy, but I think something has to change with the team. Either shake up the core or I guess pick a new coach. If we keep everything the way it is, imo that’s treadmill territory. I don’t even know if a new coach can fix this roster either tbh, but im open to trying something new. All I know something has to change.

[Besart19]

Brunson’s issues isn’t about getting double teamed. It’s about knowing when to score and how to get his team involved. Randle was the De facto PG the past 2 years with Brunson and Brunson was basically focused on scoring. Brunson is still a great player but he clearly is in his head cause he’s struggling to find that balance and has to pick up on that playmaking void left by Randle.

Randle wasnt playing last year since January

[Capn'O]

we traded 5 1st round picks for Mikal Bridges. ATL is forced due to cross matching Dyson on Brunson to put arguably the worst defensive player in the NBA on Mikal and we don't spam MIkal actions all night?

And people have the audacity to tell me thibs doesn't have flaws?

Would have also been a good place to feed the KAT in the post. I'm surprised that hasn't become more of a staple. Just slow down the game with some inside out.

[DaGawd]

Our next game on the 19th?

next game will tell us if we suck or if the players sabotaged Thibs to have some rest days

def the former

[mpharris36]

we traded 5 1st round picks for Mikal Bridges. ATL is forced due to cross matching Dyson on Brunson to put arguably the worst defensive player in the NBA on Mikal and we don't spam MIkal actions all night?

And people have the audacity to tell me thibs doesn't have flaws?

Would have also been a good place to feed the KAT in the post. I'm surprised that hasn't become more of a staple. Just slow down the game with some inside out.

Because there isn't too much structure to our offense. Its all read and react and so much is put on Brunson. Which is fine but when he doesn't have it or a team is scheming to take him away. That is when you need to adj.

Let Mikal handle the ball. Run P&R with him the main ball handler and let Trae Young fight through screens. Mikal is perfectly capable or running some offense especially with weak sauce Trae on him.

[Besart19]

the biggest downgrade this season was going from Bryant to Brunson Sr… and prior to that we lost Woodson too… the coaching staff needs an upgrade too

[Capn'O]

we traded 5 1st round picks for Mikal Bridges. ATL is forced due to cross matching Dyson on Brunson to put arguably the worst defensive player in the NBA on Mikal and we don't spam MIkal actions all night?

And people have the audacity to tell me thibs doesn't have flaws?

Would have also been a good place to feed the KAT in the post. I'm surprised that hasn't become more of a staple. Just slow down the game with some inside out.

Because there isn't too much structure to our offense. Its all read and react and so much is put on Brunson. Which is fine but when he doesn't have it or a team is scheming to take him away. That is when you need to adj.

Let Mikal handle the ball. Run P&R with him the main ball handler and let Trae Young fight through screens. Mikal is perfectly capable or running some offense especially with weak sauce Trae on him.

I agree with you on Mikal. KAT food is just another variable to throw at them.

[Worst_to_First]

I had to leave early in the 3rd quarter to attend to an urgent personal matter. It was unfortunate to see us lose the game when I got back. KAT played very solid defense in the first half, am disappointed to see he is being blamed for the collapse in the second half.

Regardless, I feel that our resistance at the point of attack is too weak. I have seen good defensive stats for Mikal but the eye test says otherwise as I see him constantly being beat by his man or easily erased by a screen. Looking at Mikal’s DPOY runner-up highlights back when he was with the Suns, his value came from being an excellent help defender with him also being able to provide rim protection whenever the opposing guard beats Ayton off the dribble.

OG might be a better POA defender but we would tire him out and could lead to costly injuries if done extensively. Deuce is the ideal one to put here at the POA, with OG and Mikal being the terrors on the wings. Just need to figure out the rotations on which of KAT, JB, Josh or others would play most with those three guys.

[Guano]

The Heat has been to two finals with their same core. So I guess Pat and Heat fans disagree with you.

How are you running anything back without IHART? Randle playing Center?? No thank you

Precious at the 5 or trade for a C like Nick Richards/Rob Williams. iHart is replaceable. Just my humble opinion, Thibs brought out the best out of Randle and Donte and they really fit well next to OG and Brunson. Those guys are Thibs guys. This new team is an Anti Thibs roster, it'll never work under him. We had something good brewing.

nice that we're all on the same page - this isn't a thibs team

#firethibs

[mpharris36]

Would have also been a good place to feed the KAT in the post. I'm surprised that hasn't become more of a staple. Just slow down the game with some inside out.

Because there isn't too much structure to our offense. Its all read and react and so much is put on Brunson. Which is fine but when he doesn't have it or a team is scheming to take him away. That is when you need to adj.

Let Mikal handle the ball. Run P&R with him the main ball handler and let Trae Young fight through screens. Mikal is perfectly capable or running some offense especially with weak sauce Trae on him.

I agree with you on Mikal. KAT food is just another variable to throw at them.

It is I want to run the Mikal and KAT action.

You make Trae work on defense. That seems so obvious to me. Our starting lineup was built to basically just take advantage of the mismatch. We need to exploit especially if Brunson is going through it.

[3toheadmelo]

How are you running anything back without IHART? Randle playing Center?? No thank you

Precious at the 5 or trade for a C like Nick Richards/Rob Williams. iHart is replaceable. Just my humble opinion, Thibs brought out the best out of Randle and Donte and they really fit well next to OG and Brunson. Those guys are Thibs guys. This new team is an Anti Thibs roster, it'll never work under him. We had something good brewing.

nice that we're all on the same page - this isn't a thibs team

#firethibs

I been said we gave thibs an anti thibs team for a good while. I’m still skeptical if any other coach can fix this though. When I saw Josh hart ranting to the media saying we’re being too harsh on Mikal, to me that sounds like nobody in the locker room is holding each other accountable. That’s an issue that’s bigger than coaching.

[aggo]

of all the losses weve had this season, Id say this was the least alarming.


we couldn't score, and in today's nba, the best defense is to make the other team inbound the ball.


I see ppls comments about matchups, threes, etc.


the real surprise is that we didn't put deuce on trae. mikal has been a huge negative at the point of attack the entire year, against every guard. there's enough tape now where im fairly concerned, and imo its a bigger problem right now as Kat's weakness in drop. because when you combine the two, trae vs mikal and kat in drop, some of the possessions looked ghastly.

[whocares1]

Precious at the 5 or trade for a C like Nick Richards/Rob Williams. iHart is replaceable. Just my humble opinion, Thibs brought out the best out of Randle and Donte and they really fit well next to OG and Brunson. Those guys are Thibs guys. This new team is an Anti Thibs roster, it'll never work under him. We had something good brewing.

nice that we're all on the same page - this isn't a thibs team

#firethibs

I been said we gave thibs an anti thibs team for a good while. I’m still skeptical if any other coach can fix this though. When I saw Josh hart ranting to the media saying we’re being too harsh on Mikal, to me that sounds like nobody in the locker room is holding each other accountable. That’s an issue that’s bigger than coaching.

Yea that’s not what’s happening. Josh is saying that Mikal’s body of work AND work ethic (you know, bc Josh actually gets to see Mikal working on his game unlike us) proves that he can be an important piece to a winning team. That he think it’s illogical to worry about him so early into the season and sure enough after those comments Mikal has been great. This team is the definition of holding themselves accountable. There’s not just one issue with the Knicks but accountability is not even close to being one of them.

[DaGawd]

in other cool news i think i saw monica mcnutt get off the A train i was conducting at 34th street earlier around like 5:30, sure looked a lot like her and it made sense.

[whocares1]

of all the losses weve had this season, Id say this was the least alarming.


we couldn't score, and in today's nba, the best defense is to make the other team inbound the ball.


I see ppls comments about matchups, threes, etc.


the real surprise is that we didn't put deuce on trae. mikal has been a huge negative at the point of attack the entire year, against every guard. there's enough tape now where im fairly concerned, and imo its a bigger problem right now as Kat's weakness in drop. because when you combine the two, trae vs mikal and kat in drop, some of the possessions looked ghastly.

What is the obsession with who starts on Trae? It could’ve been some guy in the stands, Trae benefits from having elite screeners who make it difficult on defenders to stay in front of him. Knicks tried trapping on the screens but it wasn’t working. Knicks have to learn to switch.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Read on Twitter

Because Thibs is a moron.

[ScienceOfLosing]

I had to leave early in the 3rd quarter to attend to an urgent personal matter. It was unfortunate to see us lose the game when I got back. KAT played very solid defense in the first half, am disappointed to see he is being blamed for the collapse in the second half.

Regardless, I feel that our resistance at the point of attack is too weak. I have seen good defensive stats for Mikal but the eye test says otherwise as I see him constantly being beat by his man or easily erased by a screen. Looking at Mikal’s DPOY runner-up highlights back when he was with the Suns, his value came from being an excellent help defender with him also being able to provide rim protection whenever the opposing guard beats Ayton off the dribble.

OG might be a better POA defender but we would tire him out and could lead to costly injuries if done extensively. Deuce is the ideal one to put here at the POA, with OG and Mikal being the terrors on the wings. Just need to figure out the rotations on which of KAT, JB, Josh or others would play most with those three guys.

Interesting points worth trying and most coaches would for stretches.
But Thibs is gonna make the the square fit in that damn circle.
Wish he would try new lineups and play Pacom some minutes.

Also, we need (try) to play a 5 next to towns. Thibs would be game. Offense will not be there every night. Losing Hart really hurt. If we can get Kessler…

[The KnicksFix]

I had to leave early in the 3rd quarter to attend to an urgent personal matter. It was unfortunate to see us lose the game when I got back. KAT played very solid defense in the first half, am disappointed to see he is being blamed for the collapse in the second half.

Regardless, I feel that our resistance at the point of attack is too weak. I have seen good defensive stats for Mikal but the eye test says otherwise as I see him constantly being beat by his man or easily erased by a screen. Looking at Mikal’s DPOY runner-up highlights back when he was with the Suns, his value came from being an excellent help defender with him also being able to provide rim protection whenever the opposing guard beats Ayton off the dribble.

OG might be a better POA defender but we would tire him out and could lead to costly injuries if done extensively. Deuce is the ideal one to put here at the POA, with OG and Mikal being the terrors on the wings. Just need to figure out the rotations on which of KAT, JB, Josh or others would play most with those three guys.

Interesting points worth trying and most coaches would for stretches.
But Thibs is gonna make the the square fit in that damn circle.
Wish he would try new lineups and play Pacom some minutes.

Also, we need (try) to play a 5 next to towns. Thibs would be game. Offense will not be there every night. Losing Hart really hurt. If we can get Kessler…

It doesn’t matter about the bigs that we have. Science has a good point, and one I have been harping on for so so long. Mikal cannot play the point of attack, he’s a better defender on the wings. It has to be deuce at that spot. The simple change would be deuce at the POA. But that leaves us a small lineup. That’s why i say take Mikal out as well and replace with precious to add size. Now we have precious who can defend at a high level, and is a great rebounder, with KAT, deuce Brunson and OG