PG Knicks/Lakers

[prophet_of_rage]

I can't believe we really ran iso Brunson but with Deuce lmaooooooo

That's what I saw too. Thibs? WTF

To me the plan looked like to get towns the ball. DFS was all over him, McBride couldn’t get anybody the ball and just went solo. He does some good stuff but not a very good PG

Correct. The Lakers also clogged the paint. There was no real room to do anything. They are long. They denied the 3 and then clogged the paint.

We are too small to do that.

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he's got to be more aggressive no doubt...maybe the injury to brunson (only silver lining I can think of) will open things up to him.

But in all seriousness do you want him to rip the ball away from his teammates...he is banished to sitting in the corner like he's in the shadow realm.

Yea Mikal isn’t like Jimmy Butler… he’s not gunna be aggressive like that and take the ball out of Jalen’s hands the way Jimmy did with Rose.

That's what happens when ypu go for a gimmick. Nova Knicks! Donte and Randle was fine. Use your money to find a C. Now 4/5 of the SL plays out of position.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Games like this show that this is a stars league. We need to trade Mikal and KAT for Giannis.

I’d be happy with them bringing back Donte instead of a big trade. Growth from within goes a long way. But childish fans won’t allow things to grow.

0-8 against top 3 teams in both conferences and you’re talking about allowing things to grow. Delusional as hell

That mskes sense. Our quick change left us unready for this level.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Anyone calling for thibs job, you better want KAT shipped out, because no coach is ever going to get KAT to be an average defender or a tough physical player.

But we seen him be the best player on a WCF team because that team played him mostly at the 4 next to a defensive center. This like always is slow to adapt and has barely played KAT and Mitch together.

The Lakers counter with Lebron at center and shooters and that is a dead concept.

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[Chanel Bomber]

Towns hasn't been the same since the injury.

Really mad a beef stew for that reckless block attempt.

[god shammgod]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 i mentioned but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

[LookToShoot]

The Knicks are a team of role players, no #1 guy, no closer.

Thibs is a bad coach who plays his starters heavy minutes so that he doesn’t have to make adjustments.

The team last year, with Donte and a healthy Randle and Mitchell Robinson, was better.

1. Brunson is clearly a top player and closer

2. Thibs is not a bad coach but there’s truth to your point

3. No

Brunson is not a #1 option on a championship caliber team.

The Knicks are a superteam of role players. Who in the Knicks starting lineup was ever a first option on their previous team? I’m not even sure they could beat Detroit in a seven game series, they play ten guys.

[HopelessKnick]

What's up with KAT? Playing bad for a while now. Is he injured?

Both him and Hart have are playing on knee injuries sustained due to overuse.

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[HopelessKnick]

the plan ever since we got brunson, and he showed that he could play like this, was to get brunson a costar. we had a boatload of assets/expiring contracts. we spent them on og, mikal, kat. none of those guys are gonna be the 2nd best player on a contender ever. randle wasn't either but you could have used his contract this very year to get butler or durant pretty easily. hell you maybe could have got both if you wanted. and both of them can get their own in a big moment. or maybe giannis is available this summer. and yes that's a much smaller window with the first 2 of them. but you would have had a legit chance at contending. now you don't and you don't have control of you draft for the rest of the decade. that's the most disappointing aspect of all this, because of brunson you finally had an actual chance at winning a title and you blew it. sad.

The Bridges trade has been a complete disaster. Misjudgement left and right. Essentially, everything good Leon did, he undid with the Bridges trade. Has us locked into the current position for years to come, unable to get Brunson that Co-Star.

He did not adhere to a simple rule: If you trade unprotected First rounders 5-7 years into the future you better be getting back a superstar player, not a role player afraid to shoot.

[thebuzzardman]

This team just ain’t clicking yet. Brunson will most probably miss tomorrow night’s game, at least. Is there any snowball’s chance in hell of Thibs playing Beauchamp and/or Watson once they get acclimated?

They had their chance to click. This is who they are.

[DaGawd]

we have to hope someone like greek is available this summer, we can’t keep wasting brunson’s prime years with fake co stars, while towns is very good he’s just not the championship level co star you need imo, doesn’t have the mentality for it

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he's got to be more aggressive no doubt...maybe the injury to brunson (only silver lining I can think of) will open things up to him.

But in all seriousness do you want him to rip the ball away from his teammates...he is banished to sitting in the corner like he's in the shadow realm.

Brunson has the ball most of the time. He should. He's the only Knick that can create and is the best scorer on the team.

KAT should be 2nd in touches, and maybe he is.

But

Since Thibs is infatuated with Hart because he's such a "try hard" kind of player, Hart has the ball in his hands all out of proportion to his ability. Hart is nice, he's a great glue guy, but Thibs is too moronic to make him work with Bridges, because Bridges gets relegated to Ntilikina's role.

Deuce isn't exactly all that, but he demands the ball less and is a better spot up shooter than Hart (who isn't).
Deuce is the best point of attack defender.

Bench Hart, start Deuce and MAYBE Mikal is more involved in the offense. Because Thibs can't figure out an offense where 5 guys can score. So at least Deuce would kind of stay in his lane.

Let Hart backup 2,3,4 and KAT sees time at the 4. It's effectively the sub pattern as it is. More minutes for Deuce, more with the starters, less for Hart.

[thebuzzardman]

Anyone blaming Thibs for Mikal being trash is bugging

They both suck

[R-DAWG]

The Knicks are a team of role players, no #1 guy, no closer.

Thibs is a bad coach who plays his starters heavy minutes so that he doesn’t have to make adjustments.

The team last year, with Donte and a healthy Randle and Mitchell Robinson, was better.

1. Brunson is clearly a top player and closer

2. Thibs is not a bad coach but there’s truth to your point

3. No

Brunson is not a #1 option on a championship caliber team.

The Knicks are a superteam of role players. Who in the Knicks starting lineup was ever a first option on their previous team? I’m not even sure they could beat Detroit in a seven game series, they play ten guys.

I love that quote - superteam of role players.

I think you can win a title with Brunson as your best player, but I don’t think you can win with two negative defenders, one ball handler and no depth

[TKKnicks1]

Didn't watch. Don't care. Boxscore says everything I need to know anyway.

Mikal 6 shots
Deuce scoreless
KAT 4 for 19 combined
All starters 41+ minutes yet the bench players are the only ones in the positive +/-
Shamet looks good but never sees the court again after 6 minutes

Same old story with these guys. It's getting pretty copy and paste against good teams.

[Reign23]

Anyone blaming Thibs for Mikal being trash is bugging

nah homie, they are both trash right now. sorry, but you really can't defend thibs rtn if you're serious.

[thebuzzardman]

Bucks are 8-2 in their last 10, we were 6-4 with Brunson. This team without him is cooked.

That's overly pessimistic. Bucks have the harder trail end of the schedule. Knicks have the tie breaker. You're assuming a catastrophic meltdown. This team can play .500 ball.

If he's out for an extended period of time we're cooked. The team's offense has been in freefall since the new year, we're 12th in the league offensively since then, that is with Jalen. The offense and lack of creativity without him is going to be horrific.

The Knicks got scouted. Happens all the time after Christmas. Thibs is easy as f*ck to figure out, so teams are implementing what the obvious scouting reports are on offense and defense.

And since he never throws in any wrinkles or does anything different or adjusts in any way, they are easy to game plan for.

So any game where the Knicks don't have an excessive talent advantage or got lucky, they lose. The end.

[Reign23]

It's an insult to rj... he never lacked confidence. He wouldn't be passive with the rock.

Yeah good or bad RJ was gonna shoot. He would have been a great 6th man….. same way Hart is a great 6th man.

We could use a 2nd creator.

Someone fire up the Diddy song and bring our mistreated son home. Send mikal to Canada.

[R-DAWG]

I know this will never happen with Thibs - but one can make the argument that we are better off resting our guys while Brunson is hurt and dropping into the 4 seed. Home court against Boston is off the table and I’d rather be on the Cleveland side of the bracket than the Boston side of the bracket.