The Minutes Police would like to welcome our newest officer - Mikal Bridges

[robillionaire]

My new theory is that Mikal just wanted to try to get his friends Payne and Shamet paid and advocate for them to get extra minutes with Brunson out so he can help them get another contract

[joec32033]

Eat a bag of dicks.

Well played. You must be the scholar here. Great comeback (and I knew you'd come back . Told you your goodbyes mean nothing). Don't know how to answer a post of such high intellectual value. Definitely wins this round. +1 for you (is that how that works?)

What does me saying bye have to do with anything? About as much as your so called research does. Nothing, Wipe your chin. You have some dick stuck in your beard.

Tell me your compensating without actually telling me that your compensating. Btw you talk about dick and awful lot.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Well played. You must be the scholar here. Great comeback (and I knew you'd come back . Told you your goodbyes mean nothing). Don't know how to answer a post of such high intellectual value. Definitely wins this round. +1 for you (is that how that works?)

What does me saying bye have to do with anything? About as much as your so called research does. Nothing, Wipe your chin. You have some dick stuck in your beard.

Tell me your compensating without actually telling me that your compensating. Btw you talk about dick and awful lot.

No

[ctorres]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

[Jalen Bluntson]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

[Jeff Van Gully]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

[Jeff Van Gully]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

there's value and respect all around.

also, we are all (myself included) grossly oversimplifying all of it. none of us know the minutiae of considerations that go into managing these guys' health.

[Jalen Bluntson]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

It's nonsense. When you have players getting overuse injuries in December/January there is an absolute connection to playing too many minutes. Conditioning can be achieved on an exercise bike. Not fighting through screens for 44 mpg at an 82 game clip. It's silly to even suggest that they aren't in shape after 82 games. No matter how many minutes they played. The less ware and tare on the body the better for long term. It's really not that complicated and we don't need to do mental gymnastics to validate stupid decisions.

[Jeff Van Gully]

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

It's nonsense. When you have players getting overuse injuries in December/January there is an absolute connection to playing too many minutes. Conditioning can be achieved on an exercise bike. Not fighting through screens for 44 mpg at an 82 game clip. It's silly to even suggest that they aren't in shape after 82 games. No matter how many minutes they played. The less ware and tare on the body the better for long term. It's really not that complicated and we don't need to do mental gymnastics to validate stupid decisions.

i think we all are going to have to live with agreeing to disagree on this one.

[Jalen Bluntson]

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

It's nonsense. When you have players getting overuse injuries in December/January there is an absolute connection to playing too many minutes. Conditioning can be achieved on an exercise bike. Not fighting through screens for 44 mpg at an 82 game clip. It's silly to even suggest that they aren't in shape after 82 games. No matter how many minutes they played. The less ware and tare on the body the better for long term. It's really not that complicated and we don't need to do mental gymnastics to validate stupid decisions.

i think we all are going to have to live with agreeing to disagree on this one.

Suspend logic and ignore facts and you can achieve that.

[JayTWill]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

crazy to think that the Cavs' strategy of monitoring minutes has completely backfired on them and Thubs may have been right all along in playing his players big minutes, lol

Except for the 3 other playoff runs we had where either one or more starters were out.

[Jeff Van Gully]

They have players out with injury. Are you suggesting they were injured from playing less minutes?

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

i don't think so. but i've also never been one of the avowed believers in the minutes theory. so that burden of proof isn't really on me. if a knick gets injured, i'm not going to blame minutes. cavs are injured now. i'm not blaming minutes. i find that fair and logical.

the cavs minutes approach was held up as a paramount and exemplar on the basis of health and performance. i've never had anything against it. but they've faltered in a big moment on both fronts so far. facts i don't care to suspend.

if anything, it further exemplifies that we don't know what we are talking about as fans. and the minutes conversation has always been an oversimplification of impact on health and performance.

if the next level of the argument is that the cavs needed to maintain their traditional minutes distribution to perform well, then shouldn't they have stayed 10-deep? next man up? because they didn't do that. maybe kenny atkinson knew he couldn't just turn to chuma okeke and jaylon tyson when he could barely turn to javonte green and craig porter jr. he turned to his good players for a bump up (to, quite frankly, reasonable starter minutes -- especially in the throes of playoff war). and they didn't have it. it's not me talking trash. the people calling the game in-person are talking about how these guys don't look built for that kind of game. i take no pleasure in it.

minutes police can't really have it both ways. because there was also a plenty of vehement guarantee of health-based knick destruction that did not happen. certainly not before cleveland's.

[robillionaire]

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

All I know is that we should be extending that medical guy we got from Dallas if we make it through the playoffs healthy

[Moose]

It's nonsense. When you have players getting overuse injuries in December/January there is an absolute connection to playing too many minutes. Conditioning can be achieved on an exercise bike. Not fighting through screens for 44 mpg at an 82 game clip. It's silly to even suggest that they aren't in shape after 82 games. No matter how many minutes they played. The less ware and tare on the body the better for long term. It's really not that complicated and we don't need to do mental gymnastics to validate stupid decisions.

i think we all are going to have to live with agreeing to disagree on this one.

Suspend logic and ignore facts and you can achieve that.

To be fair, I don't think game shape can come from riding a stationary bike.

Coaches should consider ramping up player minutes in the final 6 weeks or so of the season to get them to a place where they are ready for the postseason grind. A lot of key players go out there for 38-42 minutes a game during the postseason.

[spree8]

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

i don't think so. but i've also never been one of the avowed believers in the minutes theory. so that burden of proof isn't really on me. if a knick gets injured, i'm not going to blame minutes. cavs are injured now. i'm not blaming minutes. i find that fair and logical.

the cavs minutes approach was held up as a paramount and exemplar on the basis of health and performance. i've never had anything against it. but they've faltered in a big moment on both fronts so far. facts i don't care to suspend.

if anything, it further exemplifies that we don't know what we are talking about as fans. and the minutes conversation has always been an oversimplification of impact on health and performance.

if the next level of the argument is that the cavs needed to maintain their traditional minutes distribution to perform well, then shouldn't they have stayed 10-deep? next man up? because they didn't do that. maybe kenny atkinson knew he couldn't just turn to chuma okeke and jaylon tyson when he could barely turn to javonte green and craig porter jr. he turned to his good players for a bump up (to, quite frankly, reasonable starter minutes -- especially in the throes of playoff war). and they didn't have it. it's not me talking trash. the people calling the game in-person are talking about how these guys don't look built for that kind of game. i take no pleasure in it.

minutes police can't really have it both ways. because there was also a plenty of vehement guarantee of health-based knick destruction that did not happen. certainly not before cleveland's.

I don’t think it’s so black n white. There’s all types of injuries and they can happen no matter how many minutes a player plays. You can go out there and break a leg in a summer scrimmage like PG or an ankle 5 mins into the game like Gordy Hayward. Shyt happens.

Minutes police just wanted to mitigate that risk and wear n tear on joints/knees, ligaments, tendons, etc, which is a very real thing. The fear for destruction is still very much alive tho, as we’re not out of the woods yet.

But yea that Dallas DARPA Doc we got has to have a major hand in our success so far… especially with Jalen’s ankles.

[JayTWill]

i think the point is that the minutes mitigation didn't save the cavs from injury or injure the healthy knicks.

also, the real concern that the announcers were pointing out... cavs don't look conditioned for playoff minutes.

juxtapose against the knicks looking very gully down the stretch of long, ugly games.

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

i don't think so. but i've also never been one of the avowed believers in the minutes theory. so that burden of proof isn't really on me. if a knick gets injured, i'm not going to blame minutes. cavs are injured now. i'm not blaming minutes. i find that fair and logical.

the cavs minutes approach was held up as a paramount and exemplar on the basis of health and performance. i've never had anything against it. but they've faltered in a big moment on both fronts so far. facts i don't care to suspend.

if anything, it further exemplifies that we don't know what we are talking about as fans. and the minutes conversation has always been an oversimplification of impact on health and performance.

if the next level of the argument is that the cavs needed to maintain their traditional minutes distribution to perform well, then shouldn't they have stayed 10-deep? next man up? because they didn't do that. maybe kenny atkinson knew he couldn't just turn to chuma okeke and jaylon tyson when he could barely turn to javonte green and craig porter jr. he turned to his good players for a bump up (to, quite frankly, reasonable starter minutes -- especially in the throes of playoff war). and they didn't have it. it's not me talking trash. the people calling the game in-person are talking about how these guys don't look built for that kind of game. i take no pleasure in it.

minutes police can't really have it both ways. because there was also a plenty of vehement guarantee of health-based knick destruction that did not happen. certainly not before cleveland's.

I don't know. It just seems like an odd situation to point out possible flaws in the Cavs approach when they faltered against a team that uses a very similar approach. If they looked fatigued against the Knicks short rotation playing heavy minutes it seems like it would be a better example of Thibs strategy being more effective. The Pacers didn't look fatigued and they were healthy. The minutes police can have it both ways and neither can the pro-Thibs guys or people that think minutes don't matter.

The Knicks actually had a player come out against the way the minutes were handled as have people in the media. I have never been one to blame the injuries on Thibs but he never came across as a person too concerned with injuries from the minutes distribution, to guys obviously playing through pain that later on go on to miss long stretches of time to his handling of injury prone players.

I wasn't a fan of his handling the rotation this year. In previous years I have been ok with it but this year playing a 6-7 man rotation in November or not using your point guard depth immediately in the middle of a grueling road trip when Brunson went down seemed a bit extreme imo.

There are plenty of examples where I think Thibs could have handled the minutes better this year. I don't think he was trying to build stamina or strength. He was simply playing the guys he was most comfortable with.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

i don't think so. but i've also never been one of the avowed believers in the minutes theory. so that burden of proof isn't really on me. if a knick gets injured, i'm not going to blame minutes. cavs are injured now. i'm not blaming minutes. i find that fair and logical.

the cavs minutes approach was held up as a paramount and exemplar on the basis of health and performance. i've never had anything against it. but they've faltered in a big moment on both fronts so far. facts i don't care to suspend.

if anything, it further exemplifies that we don't know what we are talking about as fans. and the minutes conversation has always been an oversimplification of impact on health and performance.

if the next level of the argument is that the cavs needed to maintain their traditional minutes distribution to perform well, then shouldn't they have stayed 10-deep? next man up? because they didn't do that. maybe kenny atkinson knew he couldn't just turn to chuma okeke and jaylon tyson when he could barely turn to javonte green and craig porter jr. he turned to his good players for a bump up (to, quite frankly, reasonable starter minutes -- especially in the throes of playoff war). and they didn't have it. it's not me talking trash. the people calling the game in-person are talking about how these guys don't look built for that kind of game. i take no pleasure in it.

minutes police can't really have it both ways. because there was also a plenty of vehement guarantee of health-based knick destruction that did not happen. certainly not before cleveland's.

I don’t think it’s so black n white. There’s all types of injuries and they can happen no matter how many minutes a player plays. You can go out there and break a leg in a summer scrimmage like PG or an ankle 5 mins into the game like Gordy Hayward. Shyt happens.

Minutes police just wanted to mitigate that risk and wear n tear on joints/knees, ligaments, tendons, etc, which is a very real thing. The fear for destruction is still very much alive tho, as we’re not out of the woods yet.

But yea that Dallas DARPA Doc we got has to have a major hand in our success so far… especially with Jalen’s ankles.

agreed. it not being so black and white is what i believe most strongly. and i completely understand minutes reduction as mitigation of injury risk. that makes practical and mathematical sense. that's not a principle i would ever argue against.

when you cross the finish line into the playoffs healthy, it doesn't mean much if anything. see: cleveland.

the conversation about the impact on the minutes on a kind of longitudinal health... that's the part we really don't know anything about in practice -- but fight over the concepts. i'm good on doing that.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Wouldn't that be a better argument if the Cavs lost to a team like the Knicks that ran a short rotation with guys playing heavy minutes all year and not to another team that went 10 deep all year even in their current series?

Everyone on the Pacers averaged less than 34 minutes all year. Everyone on the Cavs averaged under 32 minutes. Should the Cavs or Pacers shorten their rotation in the regular season and played their guys more minutes in preparation for the possibility they would lose 3 rotation players in the postseason?

i don't think so. but i've also never been one of the avowed believers in the minutes theory. so that burden of proof isn't really on me. if a knick gets injured, i'm not going to blame minutes. cavs are injured now. i'm not blaming minutes. i find that fair and logical.

the cavs minutes approach was held up as a paramount and exemplar on the basis of health and performance. i've never had anything against it. but they've faltered in a big moment on both fronts so far. facts i don't care to suspend.

if anything, it further exemplifies that we don't know what we are talking about as fans. and the minutes conversation has always been an oversimplification of impact on health and performance.

if the next level of the argument is that the cavs needed to maintain their traditional minutes distribution to perform well, then shouldn't they have stayed 10-deep? next man up? because they didn't do that. maybe kenny atkinson knew he couldn't just turn to chuma okeke and jaylon tyson when he could barely turn to javonte green and craig porter jr. he turned to his good players for a bump up (to, quite frankly, reasonable starter minutes -- especially in the throes of playoff war). and they didn't have it. it's not me talking trash. the people calling the game in-person are talking about how these guys don't look built for that kind of game. i take no pleasure in it.

minutes police can't really have it both ways. because there was also a plenty of vehement guarantee of health-based knick destruction that did not happen. certainly not before cleveland's.

I don't know. It just seems like an odd situation to point out possible flaws in the Cavs approach when they faltered against a team that uses a very similar approach. If they looked fatigued against the Knicks short rotation playing heavy minutes it seems like it would be a better example of Thibs strategy being more effective. The Pacers didn't look fatigued and they were healthy. The minutes police can have it both ways and neither can the pro-Thibs guys or people that think minutes don't matter.

The Knicks actually had a player come out against the way the minutes were handled as have people in the media. I have never been one to blame the injuries on Thibs but he never came across as a person too concerned with injuries from the minutes distribution, to guys obviously playing through pain that later on go on to miss long stretches of time to his handling of injury prone players.

I wasn't a fan of his handling the rotation this year. In previous years I have been ok with it but this year playing a 6-7 man rotation in November or not using your point guard depth immediately in the middle of a grueling road trip when Brunson went down seemed a bit extreme imo.

There are plenty of examples where I think Thibs could have handled the minutes better this year. I don't think he was trying to build stamina or strength. He was simply playing the guys he was most comfortable with.

yeah, too many unknowns for me as a fan to expound on. i don't wade into any of those waters. I've really only ever had one basis for my conversation here.

mikal seemed to be talking about wanting other players to get opportunity and keeping players fresher on a game-to-game basis with some of the starter minutes. i've also never spoken against his take on that. like, who tf am i to do that? but on the injury conversation, where so much of this gets centered... that's just where i don't think we have enough to stand the way we do on the narrative.

and coming back to the cavs... that regular season freshness just doesn't look to be as useful right now. not speaking against it. maybe it helped them get through the season. i don't know. but we are also looking at a knicks team whose wings played high minutes and appear up to the challenge.