OT: Morey doin work

[GONYK]

Again, what do you guys propose he do? If the right deals are unavailable, he should continue to stockpile until they become available.

If ownership thinks it's Morey's fault for being a terrible recruiter and unskilled negotiator, then they need to make a change. Otherwise, I don't see what he can do except continue stockpiling until something good presents itself.

Making a move for the sake of keeping his job or creating bullsh*t excitement to appease fans (w/out any real chance of winning) is a horrible mistake, and one that our franchise has been making for two generations.

They have been stockpiling for a few years now. You guys make it sound like they should be able to pick almost any player in the league, and craft a deal that the other team can't refuse. Yet they haven't been able to do that. They couldn't get Gasol without overpaying and they couldn't even get Memphis to look their way for Gay.

[TKF]

what is a while? they just lost yao a few seasons ago... why is it that they must turn those assets into stars now, while the knicks need time to jel, click, add players? Isn't that a double standard.. we have been adding high priced players for years, yet every year knick fans see the next year.. as the YEAR..

I mean you are confident that Next year, is the Year for the knicks.. right? Ok, fair enough.... isn't it fair enough to think that maybe morey feels that they can turn these guys into someting, lets say during the trade deadline? again, it is not like the rockets have been bad, they have been a solid team for years now.....

The Knicks have Carmelo, Amare, Tyson and Lin as their core going forward.

Who does Houston have?

How many of their assets do you think they would give up to have that exact same core?

AND WE have no clue what that core will do for us.. all we have are hopes because we don't know...

that is what Houston has, except they do know that with their core of guys they can win 40-45 games.. we don't even have that yet.. so lets becareful about knocking them so soon..

and why do they need our exact same core.. they have two good PG's who one can argue are better than lin and will fetch them talent.. they have scola who is hella productive and healthy... they have martin who will be an expiring and when healthy a very good player...

we have question marks, as well, do you think we are contenders? we just had a poll on this site in which many felt we were not close... so how do we get better? we have to hope guys take less money,or want to come here....

Houston can make moves at any time, all they have to do is find a willing partner, and again, that can surface at anytime..

I am not sure why you want to compare their situation with ours... they are having to take a different route, and so far they are doing fine.. we still have a load of questions if you want to be honest....

[god shammgod]

no stars are really interested in houston right now because they don't have any stars. that's how it works. think of all the big names over the last couple of years, they all want to team up. the only way they could even trade their assets for a star is one that is under contract for years and has no choice but going there. who's that player and what team is giving him up ? it doesn't exist. i don't think they should trade for gay or josh smith, that won't really help. they're stuck. they probably should tank but it's hard to sell to the fans who've been waiting for something to happen for a few years now. i'm just baffled that people think this is a good position to be in.

[ibraheim718]

Say what you want about Morey and I've said a lot he had a really good draft last night.

[Marty McFly]

Lol. How hilarious would it be if morey came begging the knicks for amare?

[TKF]

Again, what do you guys propose he do? If the right deals are unavailable, he should continue to stockpile until they become available.

If ownership thinks it's Morey's fault for being a terrible recruiter and unskilled negotiator, then they need to make a change. Otherwise, I don't see what he can do except continue stockpiling until something good presents itself.

Making a move for the sake of keeping his job or creating bullsh*t excitement to appease fans (w/out any real chance of winning) is a horrible mistake, and one that our franchise has been making for two generations.

They have been stockpiling for a few years now. You guys make it sound like they should be able to pick almost any player in the league, and craft a deal that the other team can't refuse. Yet they haven't been able to do that. They couldn't get Gasol without overpaying and they couldn't even get Memphis to look their way for Gay.

dude, it is a process, they have been stockpiling for just a few years.. they were a 50+ win team a few years ago until they lost yao and T-mac knees went kaboom! they are now in position to do something.. they are in a good place.... if they stand still they still are a fringe playoff team... that is better than a lot of teams in the league..

[Rasho Brezec]

Lol. How hilarious would it be if morey came begging the knicks for amare?

[GONYK]

AND WE have no clue what that core will do for us.. all we have are hopes because we don't know...

that is what Houston has, except they do know that with their core of guys they can win 40-45 games.. we don't even have that yet.. so lets becareful about knocking them so soon..

and why do they need our exact same core.. they have two good PG's who one can argue are better than lin and will fetch them talent.. they have scola who is hella productive and healthy... they have martin who will be an expiring and when healthy a very good player...

we have question marks, as well, do you think we are contenders? we just had a poll on this site in which many felt we were not close... so how do we get better? we have to hope guys take less money,or want to come here....

Houston can make moves at any time, all they have to do is find a willing partner, and again, that can surface at anytime..

I am not sure why you want to compare their situation with ours... they are having to take a different route, and so far they are doing fine.. we still have a load of questions if you want to be honest....

That right there is my issue.

They can't make moves any time. They have been trying to make moves. Every single offseason and trading deadline, they keep trying to make moves. Yet they never do, and the team stays in the exact same position another year.

Sh*t or get off the pot.

Once again, you speak about them like they can get anyone they want if the time is right. That is simply not the case, since they try at least twice every year, and have nothing to show for it.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

stars > teamball

[moocow007]

IMO Morey wasted his time.

Yeah I have to agree. Sure he got some good players but none of them are franchise players and he's basically back to the same boat he was in. At some point he's got to complete what he obviously has been trying to do for years (trade for a star/superstar/franchise type guy). So for the "oooh...ahhh...young guys = great job Morey"...you guys seem to fail to understand that what he's been trying to do with them is EXACTLY what the Knicks DID...trade em for a "star". Unlike the Knicks, he's failed to do so. He's not doing this because he believes that's the way to go so I wouldn't quite go sucking Morey's nuts as some sort of Presti "right way" disciple.

we really don't know exactly what they have...but I see the potential... lamb has all potential to be an Allstar talent, the other two guys are good players, how good they can be.. I am not quite sure. but really why does morey have to trade for a star or superstar? where are they out there to trade for? Dwight is the only superstar on the market and has been since lebron signed with the heat....

They've been trying to get a star for years now. Morey himself has said on numerous occassions that he believes that you need a big star to win and that that's why he's looking for. He's been rumored to be in on every single trade involving a big name star, not as a supporting cast (like the Wolves have been) but to land the star. As far as Dwight being the only superstar...are we really going down that route again (please don't play innocent)? Are you really hopeless? Morey was going full tilt for Anthony. Does that mean Morey is a lost cause as well? Which then gets back to the same end result...he's failed to do what he wants to do.

The rockets have been a 40+ win team the past few years(except the shortened season last year of course) with injuries and No star... there is little doubt that adding some good young talent can add a few wins... that pretty much puts them in the same category with a lot of teams that have guys who are labeled "stars", " franchise players", etc...

Just like the Knicks of the late 70's to early 80's were. Right in the middle of the pack. Neither good enough to get a franchise changing player via the draft nor good enough to do anything. YOung players, old players, middle of the pack is middle of the pack.

I am sure the rockets and many other teams are looking at this as a process, it may take a little time, so why rush? Morey may not even be there to finish the job, but can leave the franchise in great position for the next GM if morey moves on... that is the most important thing, to leave the franchise in good shape so that the job of putting a true contender together can be completed..

Why rush what? He's been trying to do this for years now. Ever since McGrady and Yao were both clearly done...and that was clear well before either guy was traded or their contract expired.

when we drafted shumpert at 17, I am sure there were a lot of people going, well the knicks didn't get this or that.. yet shumpert is now considered a vital part of our success.. I think Houston did very well, and only time will tell how well they did....

And? The Knicks success still is in their stars (Melo, Stoudemire, Chandler and Lin...if we believe Linsanity is for real).

[god shammgod]

truthfully assets are less important then a star player's preference to be there. even if houston has the most assets they can't get dwight if he doesn't want to be there. plenty of teams could have beaten our offer for melo but he wanted to be here. having assets doesn't assure you of anything.

[Marty McFly]

Lol. How hilarious would it be if morey came begging the knicks for amare?

[ibraheim718]

stars > teamball

You ain't winning anything if you don't have both Pharm.

[GONYK]

truthfully assets are less important then a star player's preference to be there. even if houston has the most assets they can't get dwight if he doesn't want to be there. plenty of teams could have beaten our offer for melo but he wanted to be here. having assets doesn't assure you of anything.

Yup, which is exactly why they will have to just bite the bullet and overpay for someone under contract. If they ever do get their big fish, it will be in a deal where they get absolutely hollowed out.

[cgmw]

They have been stockpiling for a few years now. You guys make it sound like they should be able to pick almost any player in the league, and craft a deal that the other team can't refuse. Yet they haven't been able to do that. They couldn't get Gasol without overpaying and they couldn't even get Memphis to look their way for Gay.

So Morey should overpay for Gasol or Gay? Come on now. He'd overpay for Carmelo, Dwight, or Deron in a heartbeat if any of those guys would commit, but they won't. Or at least they wouldn't before his most recent spate of moves. Maybe if he opens up enough room and has enough of a strong supporting cast, he can still convince Dwight. Then again, maybe not. As usual, I'm far more patient than most folks around here.

[ibraheim718]

truthfully assets are less important then a star player's preference to be there. even if houston has the most assets they can't get dwight if he doesn't want to be there. plenty of teams could have beaten our offer for melo but he wanted to be here. having assets doesn't assure you of anything.

Yup, which is exactly why they will have to just bite the bullet and overpay for someone under contract. If they ever do get their big fish, it will be in a deal where they get absolutely hollowed out.

That's not his only option... he can just be content with not being able to land that game changer and see if one of the young guys he drafted can turn into one.

[god shammgod]

They have been stockpiling for a few years now. You guys make it sound like they should be able to pick almost any player in the league, and craft a deal that the other team can't refuse. Yet they haven't been able to do that. They couldn't get Gasol without overpaying and they couldn't even get Memphis to look their way for Gay.

So Morey should overpay for Gasol or Gay? Come on now. He'd overpay for Carmelo, Dwight, or Deron in a heartbeat if any of those guys would commit, but they won't. Or at least they wouldn't before his most recent spate of moves. Maybe if he opens up enough room and has enough of a strong supporting cast, he can still convince Dwight. Then again, maybe not. As usual, I'm far more patient than most folks around here.

i'm guessing you don't have season tickets to the rockets.

[TKF]

And? The Knicks success still is in their stars (Melo, Stoudemire, Chandler and Lin...if we believe Linsanity is for real).

morey can't make someone come there or a team to trade with him, so he is doing the next best thing....

as you said the success of the knicks likes in their "stars".. yet we had a poll and most fans feel that we are still not contenders.. so what does that tell you?

should houston strive to be close for a few years and then back to the drawing board.. or should they really wait until they can get that piece or pieces they are confident with winning a ring...

everyone is trying to get a superstar and so far, there are about 4 teams with one... but that doesn't make every other teams effort futile.. you have to find a way be the most competitive team you can be.. I think the rockets are trying to do that..

[GONYK]

They have been stockpiling for a few years now. You guys make it sound like they should be able to pick almost any player in the league, and craft a deal that the other team can't refuse. Yet they haven't been able to do that. They couldn't get Gasol without overpaying and they couldn't even get Memphis to look their way for Gay.

So Morey should overpay for Gasol or Gay? Come on now. He'd overpay for Carmelo, Dwight, or Deron in a heartbeat if any of those guys would commit, but they won't. Or at least they wouldn't before his most recent spate of moves. Maybe if he opens up enough room and has enough of a strong supporting cast, he can still convince Dwight. Then again, maybe not. As usual, I'm far more patient than most folks around here.

i'm guessing you don't have season tickets to the rockets.

I do.

Nobody is happy

[god shammgod]

everyone is trying to get a superstar and so far, there are about 4 teams with one... but that doesn't make every other teams effort futile.. you have to find a way be the most competitive team you can be.. I think the rockets are trying to do that..

isn't that what the knicks have done and you complain about every second ?