MSG Stock Price Watch

[Tron Carter]

Lin doesn't need the Knicks.

It's just that the New York Market > Houston Market. Lin's still marketing his brand great overall.

This NY market thing is also overblown. the players who earn the most in endorsements none of them live in NY or play for a NY team. as long as u play well the $ will flow. with things like twitter and facebook ppl can stay connected and ppl will here. if Lin had done the exact same thing he did in NY (exact same storyline as well) in houston or LA or a bunch of other teams ppl would have heard about it still bcus of the harvard, undrafted, cut and asian thing. the media would have still promoted it to death. the only thing that i think the New york market added was "he did it on a really big stage".

Your last sentence is what I'm referring to. I'm talking national TV coverage not selling t-shirts. People will be able to catch a lot more of LeBron's,Kobe's, and Carmelo's games then Lin's because of the market they are in.

[knicksnyk]

I don't know whether Lin needs New York market, but I believe he needs to win if he is going to stay relevant long term.

no not really. if he plays well he will be relevant. look at kyrie irving with the cavs. he is insanely popular everywhere not just in asia. there are ppl in New zealand who dont know who LBJ is but they know kobe and jeremy lin. he is popular so he will get the fan vote for the all star games as well. if he plays well he will be relevant even if the rockets win only 35 games (which is what I think they will win).

that is actually what I meant. their current team has 20 win ceiling though. i don't know whether he will be that popular if he wins 20 games year in and out.

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

[knicksnyk]

Lin doesn't need the Knicks.

It's just that the New York Market > Houston Market. Lin's still marketing his brand great overall.

This NY market thing is also overblown. the players who earn the most in endorsements none of them live in NY or play for a NY team. as long as u play well the $ will flow. with things like twitter and facebook ppl can stay connected and ppl will here. if Lin had done the exact same thing he did in NY (exact same storyline as well) in houston or LA or a bunch of other teams ppl would have heard about it still bcus of the harvard, undrafted, cut and asian thing. the media would have still promoted it to death. the only thing that i think the New york market added was "he did it on a really big stage".

Your last sentence is what I'm referring to. I'm talking national TV coverage not selling t-shirts. People will be able to catch a lot more of LeBron's,Kobe's, and Carmelo's games then Lin's because of the market they are in.

oh yes i understand where u are coming from. yes there is less national tv coverage in houston. unless he really blows up then they can add some games to national tv coverage but it wont b close to the amount the knicks have this season.

[seren]

no not really. if he plays well he will be relevant. look at kyrie irving with the cavs. he is insanely popular everywhere not just in asia. there are ppl in New zealand who dont know who LBJ is but they know kobe and jeremy lin. he is popular so he will get the fan vote for the all star games as well. if he plays well he will be relevant even if the rockets win only 35 games (which is what I think they will win).

that is actually what I meant. their current team has 20 win ceiling though. i don't know whether he will be that popular if he wins 20 games year in and out.

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

Honestly, 35 wins is way too generous with their current squad especially in the west. 20-25 is more realistic. They have one proven starter in Kevin Martin and they have to hope Lin can keep up 18-8 and not go down to 13-6 just to reach that 25 wins.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

That's a bold prediction.

[knicksnyk]

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

That's a bold prediction.

how so? ESPN pegged them at 33 wins in there article

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82738 ... -standings

[seren]

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

That's a bold prediction.

how so? ESPN pegged them at 33 wins in there article

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82738 ... -standings

Gotta stop taking ESPN seriously. That squad has a 25 win ceiling.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Well your acting like they will be winning only 35 games for the rest of his contract though. next season they will win 35 most likely. But the season after that they can make trades and add to there roster and add talent depends on how they handle there rebuild. I don't see the rockets winning 35 games for the next three years that is unlikely. it is easy it is to add depth and talent to a roster He is already popular so he just needs to play well and handle his business and the popularity will continue.

That's a bold prediction.

how so? ESPN pegged them at 33 wins in there article

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82738 ... -standings

Have you seen their roster?

[knicksnyk]

I know a little bit about there roster. I am sure ESPN took there roster into account as well. I watched there rookies in summer league and they were pretty good. and they have this kid from last year that i really liked. parsons he played well last year i watched his games against the lakers i remember hearing kobe giving him mad props for a rookie. and they signed asik who i think is remarkably underrated on the defensive end i think he will surprise ppl next year. there roster isn't fantastic but 35 wins isn't a bold prediction. i think it is fair.

[seren]

I know a little bit about there roster. I am sure ESPN took there roster into account as well. I watched there rookies in summer league and they were pretty good.

Many rookies look pretty good in the summer league. Fact is their best player one of Lin or Kevin Martin whichever you prefer. Their only center is Asik who has a lot to prove.

The whole team is essentially very young and unproven. Even Durant couldn't win more than 25 games in year one and two.

[bronxknicksfan1]

Kyrie Irving, as great as he was in his rookie season, couldn't get the Cavs on pace to win 35 games last season. You think a roster with a Jeremy Lin, Omer Asik, Kevin Martin and a bunch of rookies can do it?

[knicksnyk]

K I dont feel like arguing about the rockets. I think there roster will pull out around 35 wins. ESPN has them pegged at about 33. There starting 5 likely is Lin Martin Parsons patterson (or rookie) Asik. I think that team is good enuff for 35 ish. The rockets overachieve last year they were close to making the po's they had a 7 game loosing streak towards the end dragic was still getting his but they were loosing. I think asik is a great defensive center so this whole "he has a lot to prove" business i think is overblown. if you watched him consistently with the bulls you would know that the kid is a havok on the defensive end. i think lin will handle his business and play really well just like I thought he would have as a knick. i liked there rookies and what they did in summer league i think can transfer into the nba but we will see about that. but like i said that is jsut my opinion i am not discussing it because i just dont see the point tbh . we can revisit this during season . they are a rebuilding team and i doubt they make the po's that is all that really matters.

[CU_NY09]

Nice to see the people who are "soooo over" Lin still find time to read articles and post info about him on here. Investing so much energy on him and trying to remind everyone else we're better off without him, interesting.

[runnyc]

MSG rose 2.37% today to an 52-week high of 40.25, and is up another 3.25% after hours to 41.56 in anticipation of tomorrow's earnings report.

[TheToothFairy]

So what happens if you own a lot of shares of MSG stock?

If you own enough can u make decisions?

[DocZaius]

So what happens if you own a lot of shares of MSG stock?

If you own enough can u make decisions?

Nope, you need majority control to make decisions

[21shumpshumpst]

I didn't go through the whole thread but just curious why people are keeping tabs on the MSG stock price?

Are you guys trying to invest? Or hoping somehow it plummets to prove how bad the Lin move was? Which would be hilarious if it was the latter.

[ccvle]

lol you dont need to get sponsors in the tristate community. u can get sponsors from anywhere taiwan for example

I was just pointing out that all of those domestic asians don't really matter. I also doubt those Taiwan or Chinese Sponsors help much. It is not like MSG or the Knicks lack sponsors. When you have big american companies offering +10m sponsorships to MSG, is there any room left for these small Taiwanese companies to offer 1-2 millions?

[knicksnyk]

lol you dont need to get sponsors in the tristate community. u can get sponsors from anywhere taiwan for example

I was just pointing out that all of those domestic asians don't really matter. I also doubt those Taiwan or Chinese Sponsors help much. It is not like MSG or the Knicks lack sponsors. When you have big american companies offering +10m sponsorships to MSG, is there any room left for these small Taiwanese companies to offer 1-2 millions?

Cultural bias much dont u think??

this is one of the companies that left the knicks and is now with the rockets. it doesnt sound like it is a 1-2mill company but i am not a business expert so i maybe wrong. do you have a link that says that these taiwanese companies are small businesses & only offer 1-2 mill ?? dont get me wrong msg doesn't lack sponsors but i am just stating that to me you are operating under a american bias lol. Acer also dropped the knicks as well they were founded in taiwan and i dont think you can call them a small company, they were founded in taiwan as well.

"Known and trusted by billions of customers around the world, Maxxis offers high-quality tire products for cars and light trucks, bicycles, motorcycles, ATVs, trailers, karts, and lawn and garden care. Maxxis was founded in Taiwan in 1967, and is today one of the largest and most respected tire companies in the world. Operating in Asia, Europe, North America and South America, Maxxis distributes its products in approximately 170 countries and employs more than 22,000 people. Creating and retaining lifelong customers has been instrumental in Maxxis’ steady growth. Customers trust Maxxis tires during every stage of their lives, from those first childhood bike rides through changing careers, modes of transportation, and interests – and they know that Maxxis will be there when the time comes for their own children to choose tires."

[socks fit OK]

Knicks are a huggeeeeee profitable company

Where the Knicks and some Knicks fans like Hakeemknicks don't get is, with Lin, that all-time high $39.39 would have been even higher.

The big thing is the Knicks lost out on a lot of potential profit by passing on Lin...There's something like 2 million Asians in the metro area, 8 Chinatowns. Plus the international scene - they blew the chance to have a pretty exclusive pipeline of new fans not just internationally, but locally.

Plus the Knicks set the record for highest TV Ratings during Linsanity...Lost out on a lot of potential profit off of tv spots, ad spaces at the garden, merchandising, ect...

thats over exaggerated. How many of those 2 millions asians would actually spend a cent on the knicks or lin? You might have more Chinese and Taiwanese tourists showing up at the games, but how much more are you really making when you sellout everygame anyway. If you are looking for sponsors from the chinese community in the tri state, you are not going to find too many, maybe a bubble tea store giving out coupons.

My point was never about local sponsorships. Even if they don't spend a dime going to Knick games if they drive up TV ratings, the Knicks can charge more for TV commercials and physical ads at MSG that get plenty to TV exposure. The facts are that the highest rated Knick games ever on MSG were during Linsanity and that there's a huge Asian population here in NY. One of the biggest things that bugged me with cutting ties to Lin was that the Knicks could've gotten a major leg up on the Nets moving to Brooklyn by having an exclusive pipeline of fans, that wouldn't be basketball fans otherwise.