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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#281 » by duetta » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:54 am

KnicksGod wrote:All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.


If we're in the toilet come the trade deadline, there will be a market for both Rose and Anthony (assuming he consents to be moved - which he might if this latest attempt to catch lightening in a bottle fails).

Still, if we move them in a likely deal, it's going to be a couple of years before we're sniffing .500.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#282 » by DaKnicksAreBack » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:57 am

KnicksGod wrote:All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.


The thing is, even if he waves his NTC, he's not such a hot comodity anymore. I doubt a contender would want him and if you're not a contender you probably won't give up much.....and that's if you find a team that wants him.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#283 » by BBALLER4FR » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:57 am

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Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

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Hell to the yes on that.

People around here RIPPING me for my PG thread last game.

Can't say I ain't told you so.

1) We were hoodwinked by the Bulls for Rose and Noah.

2) Hoodwinked by Phil, who might end up equaling Isiah for worst President in Knicks history.

3) Our "franchise" player has anemia and isn't being developed.

4) We're stuck with Noah, KP, Melo, Lee and Lance "F*cking" Thomas for multiple years.

5) Kurt Rambis WILL be the interim again this year. Odds just shot up to 35%.


This is the CORE of our problem. Noah and Rose aren't. You put them on any other team and they look great. Hell people are already turning on KP. You think he wouldn't look better on every other team but this one? Of course he would. And there are teams dying to rehabilitate our trash and turn it into gold like they always do. And whoever we get in the draft, no matter what position, will likely get burried and wasted with Phil/Rambis here.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#284 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 3:59 am

KnicksGod wrote:All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.


Melo didn't force a trade to the Knicks to win. He did it to live in New York City during his career. That's his # 1 priority so I am still resigned to him not waiving his NTC. If winning were Melo's priority he would not have (a) forced himself to be traded to a gutted team or (b) re-signed here.

It does not matter if the Knicks were able to offer him way more than the Bulls. All Melo had to do was consent to a sign & trade that satisfied his needs. It was not sign Melo or lose everything. We had options. Nobody can tell me otherwise unless they want to argue Denver could get assets for Melo, but somehow we couldn't.

Anyway, even Melo knows he can't carry any team he is traded to and he is too vain to take a backseat to anyone except maybe Lebron who is the only player I can see Melo falling into line for. Therefore, the risk to Melo of accepting a trade is pretty high because he could be exposed even more than he would be by staying here. Here he has a losing legacy. Going somewhere else would cement that because it'd be his third team without any major post-season success. He's really not that good a player and I don't think he has the courage to prove he is # 15 elsewhere so he'll stay put.

Melo already got what he wanted. He will gladly deal with losing for three years and cash those checks. Winning a ring is not his priority and it never was.

The only team I can see Melo going to is Cleveland for a two year stint because then he can't take any blame and may win something for a change. I don't see him going anywhere else at this point.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#285 » by Dkillanyk4lyf » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:08 am

It doesn't matter if we trade melo,rose,Noah etc.

Nothing will change until phil jackson is gone.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#286 » by AmazingJason » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:09 am

BBALLER4FR wrote:
AmazingJason wrote:
Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:I told you guys, i think its time to listen.

http://www.tankathon.com/


Hell to the yes on that.

People around here RIPPING me for my PG thread last game.

Can't say I ain't told you so.

1) We were hoodwinked by the Bulls for Rose and Noah.

2) Hoodwinked by Phil, who might end up equaling Isiah for worst President in Knicks history.

3) Our "franchise" player has anemia and isn't being developed.

4) We're stuck with Noah, KP, Melo, Lee and Lance "F*cking" Thomas for multiple years.

5) Kurt Rambis WILL be the interim again this year. Odds just shot up to 35%.


This is the CORE of our problem. Noah and Rose aren't. You put them on any other team and they look great. Hell people are already turning on KP. You think he wouldn't look better on every other team but this one? Of course he would. And there are teams dying to rehabilitate our trash and turn it into gold like they always do. And whoever we get in the draft, no matter what position, will likely get burried and wasted with Phil/Rambis here.


The more things change, the more they stay the same :nonono:
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#287 » by drp07644 » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:09 am

KnicksGod wrote:Life of a Knicks fan: July and August "I can't believe we got him" steals become ***early*** November "GTFO my team immediately" musts.

Knicks are going to be out of contention faster than Trump.


I can't wait until Trump embarrasses Hillary on Tuesday like the Knicks get embarrassed on a nightly basis.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#288 » by blueNorange » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:12 am

there's cats out there that actually thought rose was ever going to be good again, and noah was going to be productive.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#289 » by blueNorange » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:14 am

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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#290 » by K_ick_God » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:18 am

drp07644 wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:Life of a Knicks fan: July and August "I can't believe we got him" steals become ***early*** November "GTFO my team immediately" musts.

Knicks are going to be out of contention faster than Trump.


I can't wait until Trump embarrasses Hillary on Tuesday like the Knicks get embarrassed on a nightly basis.


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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#291 » by robillionaire » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:18 am

Well, he's right
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Post#292 » by CJackson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:20 am

Dkillanyk4lyf wrote:It doesn't matter if we trade melo,rose,Noah etc.

Nothing will change until phil jackson is gone.


If this team loses more games than last year you'll get your wish before next season
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Post#293 » by blueNorange » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:21 am

High level wrote:Chicago and Rose fan here. I'm just baffled by Rose play so far. Imy rooting for him and for the knicks to be contenders but Imy just out done by his poor assist numbers and horrific defense so far. I know it's just 4 games in but he looks like he's having a hard time playing PG as a starter. Hopes he figures it out and you guys can get on track.

rose sucked last year and the year before.
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#294 » by Knickerbock » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:21 am

Knicks will have ups and downs this season... They will be fighting for the 8th seed.. Nothing more
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Re: Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming? 

Post#295 » by Carl_Karlson » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:27 am

So much is wrong with this team and organization. It's f*cking comical :lol: :noway: :lol:
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Post#296 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:34 am

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Floozenheimen wrote:I think Melo might be the most overrated player of this generation. The dude is not even a top 50 player in my book. His D is atrocious. A top tier player simply cannot be so one dimensional that his entire game is the mid-ranged jumper on offense and the entire rest of his game is a damn joke.

He has no leadership. No heart. No defensive awareness. He's lazy, calling for switches, leading to mismatches and other players covering extra ground. He's petty, allowing his bad defense to cause him to make horrible decisions on offense (aka hero ball). He does not create for others on offense. He does not penetrate. He can't jump. He shoots. He's a damn pitching machine with a jab step. **** this guy.


"don't play ya self"

what has always gotten me about melo (aside from his one-dimensional game that has never changed) is his all-time-worst body language on the floor. he has a unique and special way of draining the energy out of any offense.

at this point he's entering "delusional has-been" territory while he obsesses over the value of his irrelevant and nonexistent brand.



KP is next. He's playing worse than Melo.
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Post#297 » by sims » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:34 am

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KnicksGod wrote:All kidding aside, yeah there are some really bad signs that we can't totally ignore. But I think Jeff has it in him to figure this out.

But if this does not work out after 40, 50 games, the time will come this season (not the offseason) to trade Melo. At this point, can anyone say Melo would continue to enjoy another losing season and stick with the plan? He's already not quite with the plan to begin with.


Melo didn't force a trade to the Knicks to win. He did it to live in New York City during his career. That's his # 1 priority so I am still resigned to him not waiving his NTC. If winning were Melo's priority he would not have (a) forced himself to be traded to a gutted team or (b) re-signed here.

It does not matter if the Knicks were able to offer him way more than the Bulls. All Melo had to do was consent to a sign & trade that satisfied his needs. It was not sign Melo or lose everything. We had options. Nobody can tell me otherwise unless they want to argue Denver could get assets for Melo, but somehow we couldn't.

Anyway, even Melo knows he can't carry any team he is traded to and he is too vain to take a backseat to anyone except maybe Lebron who is the only player I can see Melo falling into line for. Therefore, the risk to Melo of accepting a trade is pretty high because he could be exposed even more than he would be by staying here. Here he has a losing legacy. Going somewhere else would cement that because it'd be his third team without any major post-season success. He's really not that good a player and I don't think he has the courage to prove he is # 15 elsewhere so he'll stay put.

Melo already got what he wanted. He will gladly deal with losing for three years and cash those checks. Winning a ring is not his priority and it never was.

The only team I can see Melo going to is Cleveland for a two year stint because then he can't take any blame and may win something for a change. I don't see him going anywhere else at this point.



this is 100% on point.
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Post#298 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:36 am

Mecca wrote:We should've dealt Melo years ago and blew this baby up. I hate being a Knicks / Jets fan because it's constant bandaids being placed on broken bones. flush the toilet and build around KP

KP ain't the one
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Post#299 » by DaGawd » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:37 am

Yo im legit convinced Phil is pulling off the greatest stealth tank of all time.. For reasons being known he had to keep Melo.. couldn't just get rid of him like that without backlash from Media..NY Media in particular.. He's being frugal with picks because he see's thats our best shot at turning this around.. Actually drafting our franchise corner stones. If I recall correctly a few teams have tried inquiring about our 2018 first because it's Knicks tradition to give them away freely.. But Phil said no to every inquiry. He's got his eyes on this draft trust me.. He's gonna get KP a running mate.
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Post#300 » by Greenie » Thu Nov 3, 2016 4:38 am

DaGawd wrote:Yo im legit convinced Phil is pulling off the greatest stealth tank of all time.. For reasons being known he had to keep Melo.. couldn't just get rid of him like that without backlash from Media..NY Media in particular.. He's being frugal with picks because he see's thats our best shot at turning this around.. Actually drafting our franchise corner stones. If I recall correctly a few teams have tried inquiring about our 2018 first because it's Knicks tradition to give them away freely.. But Phil said no to every inquiry. He's got his eyes on this draft trust me.. He's gonna get KP a running mate.

Lol

KP is about to be traded...for Boogie

Sac is dumb enough to do it. Noah will probably get shipped to a second team and we will draft a PG. profit

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