Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?)

[BadNewsBarnes]

In the NBA Arms Race, Morey needs Melo more than Mills needs to get rid of Melo.

[taj2133]

guys lin doesn't play here anymore its pointless argument its been done and its over with

[moocow007]

Anybody think we're waiting for a Melo trade to free up space to offer Rondo a one year deal to play for a bigger deal next year? Up tempo offense with KP and shooters is attractive.

IF Mills is true to his word, then no, I don't think this is a 1 year deal with a promise for more. I think this is what it is. A one year deal (maybe for $10 million or so) to provide a specific role. And then maybe another one (year deal) if things work out. I don't get the sense that Rondo will be promised getting a bigger deal (years/dollars).

should of been more specific. I meant a one year deal here to showcase his skills playing 30mpg in an uptempo offense. With his good showing he can then leave to another team who will give him a ton of money.

Oh ok. Yeah it could be. But at this point I think it's more or less Mills once again bargaining against himself. My guess is that he wants Rondo for 1 year but doesn't believe he can sign Rondo for the $4.3 million and instead must free up cap to offer him more ($10-12 million). I think we're waiting because Mills isn't able to (or doesn't think he can) get Rondo for what he can give him.

[Capn'O]

According to those clutchfans rockets sports dudes the Portland deal is dead and Rockets are looking for a third team in the East. I appreciate Mills sticking to his guns here and hope he doesn't blow it.

The deal is imminent they said. The deal is about to happen they said.

I was always under the impression that the situation was fluid. Like cat piss.

[whocares1]

Anybody think we're waiting for a Melo trade to free up space to offer Rondo a one year deal to play for a bigger deal next year? Up tempo offense with KP and shooters is attractive.

The Knicks won't get cap space and assets in this trade. Knicks are going to have to pick one.

[moocow007]

In the NBA Arms Race, Morey needs Melo more than Mills needs to get rid of Melo.

Yeah agreed.

[moocow007]

guys lin doesn't play here anymore its pointless argument its been done and its over with

If Lin was still here he'd be vilified right now for not being able to get this team to anything. That's really the oddest thing about this whole silliness.

[F N 11]

In the NBA Arms Race, Morey needs Melo more than Mills needs to get rid of Melo.

Yeah agreed.

Yup, so if they think they are getting him for free, you're bugging. I rather Melo play another year here than get fleeced.

[dakomish23]

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

DAntoni, Smith and Amar'e all said that it was a real thing. Dantoni specifically said that Melo and Amar'e were both unwilling to take on lesser roles. He said that Melo really wasn't willing to move to the 4 in a Lin-centered offense and Amare wasn't willing to backup Chandler. So, he was stuck. I posted the article and quotes last night.

Mike D said there was underlying tension.

Amare came out and said he was NOT taking about Melo.

Mike D said they refused to play PF (Melo) and come off the bench (Amare). Not lesser roles. Not Lin centered.

I had transcribed word for word in that podcast thread. Forget the quotes the media picks out.

[dakomish23]

Rondo is up tempo?

[HarthorneWingo]

At that time the Knicks were better with Lin then Melo... Melo Hated that
Lin was loved by the people

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

DAntoni, Smith and Amar'e all said that it was a real thing. Dantoni specifically said that Melo and Amar'e were both unwilling to take on lesser roles. He said that Melo really wasn't willing to move to the 4 in a Lin-centered offense and Amare wasn't willing to backup Chandler. So, he was stuck. I posted the article and quotes last night.

[Capn'O]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

Absolutely. And the lesson for what you are saying should have been learned when acquiring him.

Spoiler:

Well, they should have known and abode by that during the trade but it was a good figure of speech the way that I had it.

[F N 11]

Would Melo just shut up and play the 4 under Mike? Must of been talked about already.

[fatalogic]

Would Melo just shut up and play the 4 under Mike? Must of been talked about already.

I believe they worked out their differences already at USA basketball


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[HarthorneWingo]

@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

Do you really deny that Melo was upset that MDA was going to relegate him as a "spot up shooter"? Dude, this shyt is of record. D'Antoni spoke about it himself. Lin took the ball out of Melo's hands.

Wouldn't you be upset too? Why is this so bad? Any guy in Anthony's level would be upset by it.

No! But the difference between me and Melo is that I'd want to win basketball games. Melo cares more about his brand. I was a pretty damn good combo guard myself and I could shoot the lights out, but I trusted my teammates and always tried to lift them up and be a good teammate. Plus, making the right pass which would lead to a basket gave me more satisfaction than scoring.

[drekwins]

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@Whocares - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2621210-amare-stoudemire-denies-comments-on-knicks-tenure-were-about-carmelo-anthony

@Hawthorne - you're guessing a perennial all star was jealous of Lin because you think if Melo is selfish on the court, he must be off it.

Why would he be? Amare got plenty of publicity and he's tight with Melo. Porzingis? We know how close they are.

That's an opinion that fits your narrative and is far from a fact.

@Knox - Look at the Knicks post Lin that year. Better record than with Lin.

Since the NJN breakout with Lin: 15-10 .600
Since Lin chose a payday: 13-5 .720

And Melo was on absolute fire during that time

Rewatch that 1st game. You'll see who's cheering on Lin. Saying he hated it is more made up nonsense.

DAntoni, Smith and Amar'e all said that it was a real thing. Dantoni specifically said that Melo and Amar'e were both unwilling to take on lesser roles. He said that Melo really wasn't willing to move to the 4 in a Lin-centered offense and Amare wasn't willing to backup Chandler. So, he was stuck. I posted the article and quotes last night.

Mike D said there was underlying tension.

Amare came out and said he was NOT taking about Melo.

Mike D said they refused to play PF (Melo) and come off the bench (Amare). Not lesser roles. Not Lin centered.

I had transcribed word for word in that podcast thread. Forget the quotes the media picks out.

Read between the lines, man. First, coming off the bench is always a demotion to someone like Amare. Were talking about a regular on the All-NBA teams. Secondly, we all know that DAntonis offense highlights the PnR between the 1 and 5. Prior to Lin, we really didn't run the offense the way it was intended. Then, with a possible competent PG, DAntoni was attempting to run his system the way it was intended. That's when Melo made the ultimatum. DAntoni refers to wanting to play one way while Melo wanted to play a different way. It shows that they weren't possible to run at the same time. That's pretty telling.

[HarthorneWingo]

Would Melo just shut up and play the 4 under Mike? Must of been talked about already.

Yep, about 7 years ago.

[god shammgod]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

Absolutely. And the lesson for what you are saying should have been learned when acquiring him.

Spoiler:

Well, they should have known and abode by that during the trade but it was a good figure of speech the way that I had it.

yes....say no to bullsh*t

p.s. i saw a post from you as to why melo would want houston more than the cavs. i think he thinks if he went to houston he would be winning it on his own as opposed to just riding lebron's coattails. nobody on houston has accomplished anything more than he has. so nobody would be above him in his mind.

[3toheadmelo]

Coulda sworn I read recently that mike D says he wants Melo

These arguments are pointless

[Capn'O]

Would Melo just shut up and play the 4 under Mike? Must of been talked about already.

I believe they worked out their differences already at USA basketball


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Also, the game has changed and Melo is older. Way fewer beasts to battle at the 4 now.