BaF Season Three: Offseason thread (Free Agency announcement- page 96)

[King of Canada]

i think if you wait longer you should have to pay more like 180% as opposed to 90%

You pretty much are though because what he's saying is that you still pay the same total dollars as if you had extended him earlier, but you now have to pay that total amount in a shorter period of time (backloaded) while still not being able to go over the cap to do it.

Yeah, in the Bagley example if you waited til after season 3 to extend, it was 58 for the first 3 years then 140 the next 4, which is about a 140% raise

Would be a 180% if we let people extend after season 4, mathematically, works out to 160 per year the last 3 years

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I'd be ok with that change. It actually makes sense because you could use the cap room savings now while your young guys aren't as good to pay for vets to help out, and then when the vets expire reallocate that money to your young guys.

[Context]

You pretty much are though because what he's saying is that you still pay the same total dollars as if you had extended him earlier, but you now have to pay that total amount in a shorter period of time (backloaded) while still not being able to go over the cap to do it.

Yeah, in the Bagley example if you waited til after season 3 to extend, it was 58 for the first 3 years then 140 the next 4, which is about a 140% raise

Would be a 180% if we let people extend after season 4, mathematically, works out to 160 per year the last 3 years

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$140 is still too cheap, should be around $200 thats only 20% of the cap

thats almost a 300% increase...stop it...

[DOT]

You pretty much are though because what he's saying is that you still pay the same total dollars as if you had extended him earlier, but you now have to pay that total amount in a shorter period of time (backloaded) while still not being able to go over the cap to do it.

Yeah, in the Bagley example if you waited til after season 3 to extend, it was 58 for the first 3 years then 140 the next 4, which is about a 140% raise

Would be a 180% if we let people extend after season 4, mathematically, works out to 160 per year the last 3 years

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I'd be ok with that change. It actually makes sense because you could use the cap room savings now while your young guys aren't as good to pay for vets to help out, and then when the vets expire reallocate that money to your young guys.

Yeah, like for me even if Cam becomes a star next season, I can just not extend him to save a little bit of cap because I'll have the space for a full extension after JJ expires

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[bringbackhoffa]

Yeah, in the Bagley example if you waited til after season 3 to extend, it was 58 for the first 3 years then 140 the next 4, which is about a 140% raise

Would be a 180% if we let people extend after season 4, mathematically, works out to 160 per year the last 3 years

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$140 is still too cheap, should be around $200 thats only 20% of the cap

thats almost a 300% increase...stop it...

so what, Siakam in real life is going from making $1.12 million to $18 million

[Capn'O]

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Any word from coolkids? It's prob about time look for a replacement elsewhere, imo.

[DOT]

Yeah, in the Bagley example if you waited til after season 3 to extend, it was 58 for the first 3 years then 140 the next 4, which is about a 140% raise

Would be a 180% if we let people extend after season 4, mathematically, works out to 160 per year the last 3 years

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$140 is still too cheap, should be around $200 thats only 20% of the cap

thats almost a 300% increase...stop it...

Too much effort to make a new rule like hoffa wants, I'm just amending the current agreed upon rule

He's right cause that's more realistic, but it's easier to tweak the rule we agree on than replace it entirely

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[2010]

I am in favor of Bish's proposal while adding in the K-DOT amendment. I think that is the most fair compromise while not straying much from Bish's initial proposal.

[El Poochio]

You still own rights to your players so even if they do hit free agency you have an advantage of signing them for a 5th year and nobody else does, so I don't see the problem. Nobody is forcing you to give them extensions, you can just let them hit the open market, then pay the market value on them for 5 years.

Yeah never wanted longer contracts for rookies or proper extensions anyway

You want to keep rookies on rookie scale contracts for 10 years? That's just not happening

Like I said, pay market value and lock them up for an extra 5 years, so that's essentially the extension,

What's a proper extension? You mean like cap holds and being able to still resign rookies while being over the cap? Factoring in whether or not a player made the All NBA or All Star team and if they are eligible for bonuses? Man aint nobody got time for all that stuff

Proper extension meaning extending without taking hits on your current deal, arent extensions always come in effect after initial contract is up?

[HEZI]

$140 is still too cheap, should be around $200 thats only 20% of the cap

thats almost a 300% increase...stop it...

Too much effort to make a new rule like hoffa wants, I'm just amending the current agreed upon rule

He's right cause that's more realistic, but it's easier to tweak the rule we agree on than replace it entirely

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Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

[HEZI]

Yeah never wanted longer contracts for rookies or proper extensions anyway

You want to keep rookies on rookie scale contracts for 10 years? That's just not happening

Like I said, pay market value and lock them up for an extra 5 years, so that's essentially the extension,

What's a proper extension? You mean like cap holds and being able to still resign rookies while being over the cap? Factoring in whether or not a player made the All NBA or All Star team and if they are eligible for bonuses? Man aint nobody got time for all that stuff

Proper extension meaning extending without taking hits on your current deal, arent extensions always come in effect after initial contract is up?

Right, and you can still do that. You don't have to take a hit on your current deal, just wait until after the contract is up and pay market value for 5 years.

[DOT]

thats almost a 300% increase...stop it...

Too much effort to make a new rule like hoffa wants, I'm just amending the current agreed upon rule

He's right cause that's more realistic, but it's easier to tweak the rule we agree on than replace it entirely

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Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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[King of Canada]

Yeah never wanted longer contracts for rookies or proper extensions anyway

You want to keep rookies on rookie scale contracts for 10 years? That's just not happening

Like I said, pay market value and lock them up for an extra 5 years, so that's essentially the extension,

What's a proper extension? You mean like cap holds and being able to still resign rookies while being over the cap? Factoring in whether or not a player made the All NBA or All Star team and if they are eligible for bonuses? Man aint nobody got time for all that stuff

Proper extension meaning extending without taking hits on your current deal, arent extensions always come in effect after initial contract is up?

I hear you there, but without a soft cap to take the max contracts some of these guys would get it'd be difficult. With K-dot's proposal at least you could wait until Booker comes off and re-allocate some of that money to Trae on an extension (and by then you'd know what you have in Trae more clearly).

Interested to hear Bish's thoughts on this.

[bringbackhoffa]

Too much effort to make a new rule like hoffa wants, I'm just amending the current agreed upon rule

He's right cause that's more realistic, but it's easier to tweak the rule we agree on than replace it entirely

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Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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why would you still pay the same amount you should have to pay much more, the fact that you are extending him later on is most likely because the player got better. if the player got better you should have to pay him much more

[bishnykfan]

Lost all interest in the game so whatevs

That’s not a problem. I’ll look for a replacement ASAP.

Except I dont want any random wackadoodle take over and ruin what I have been building, you can go back to creating rules that give rookies %90 salary hike after rookie season lol leave me be

So is this how gonna be we all have to like whatever rule you put out there otherwise face being replaced? What a fascist attitude

Pooch, I came up with this because there was a call for it. I put the rule change proposal out there nearly three weeks ago for people to look at. The only one who objected at the time was smash. I don’t care if you have a problem or not because I understand that you will never get 30 people to agree 100% on everything.

I’ve tried listening and understanding your position for the last four days because it is the exact opposite stance that anyone else who has had a problem with the proposal has taken. I have no issue with you voicing your dislike for what I came up with and have told you to simply vote it down and majority will rule.

What I can’t have is a GM who has no interest in the game. That will take away from everyone and the league in general so since you no longer have interest, than yes, I will look to replace you.

[bringbackhoffa]

You want to keep rookies on rookie scale contracts for 10 years? That's just not happening

Like I said, pay market value and lock them up for an extra 5 years, so that's essentially the extension,

What's a proper extension? You mean like cap holds and being able to still resign rookies while being over the cap? Factoring in whether or not a player made the All NBA or All Star team and if they are eligible for bonuses? Man aint nobody got time for all that stuff

Proper extension meaning extending without taking hits on your current deal, arent extensions always come in effect after initial contract is up?

I hear you there, but without a soft cap to take the max contracts some of these guys would get it'd be difficult. With K-dot's proposal at least you could wait until Booker comes off and re-allocate some of that money to Trae on an extension (and by then you'd know what you have in Trae more clearly).

Interested to hear Bish's thoughts on this.

its not difficult everyones just got to manage there cap and not pay someone 40% of cap when they have no jump shot

[DOT]

Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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why would you still pay the same amount you should have to pay much more, the fact that you are extending him later on is most likely because the player got better. if the player got better you should have to pay him much more

That makes no sense

Why should you be punished for picking a player that takes more time to develop?

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[HEZI]

Too much effort to make a new rule like hoffa wants, I'm just amending the current agreed upon rule

He's right cause that's more realistic, but it's easier to tweak the rule we agree on than replace it entirely

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Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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I think it should just be that you are eligible for an extension after year 3, when the team has an option to pick up the 4th year. If the team decides to keep the player then the bump should take effect immediately heading into year 4. So I would just eliminate the year 1 and 2 options, so no 30% or 60% bumps. Make it only after year 3 and have it as a 180, 260, 340 system starting after year 3 which works the same as the 30, 60, 90 system

[bringbackhoffa]

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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why would you still pay the same amount you should have to pay much more, the fact that you are extending him later on is most likely because the player got better. if the player got better you should have to pay him much more

That makes no sense

Why should you be punished for picking a player that takes more time to develop?

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your not being punished your just having to pay closer to market value as opposed to getting a bargain. most people are looking at this extension idea as a one sided issue, and that is at a GM prospective at locking up your good young players at a cheap rate. While i think we should have a balance and think of this from a players prospective as well, most of these player that pan out would laugh at these extensions and test restricted free agency. This just involves teams managing there cap and be ready and have space to match offer sheets that could be in excess of 5-15% of cap.

[bringbackhoffa]

Isn't Hoffa just asking for a bump in the %? I actually like both of your ideas, have the ability to extend for the same amount after year 1 but it also does need to be bumped to more than 90% though

He wants it so that if you don't extend after year 1, but extend sometime later it's just a flat 180% bump, which I think is a bit unfair within the current system

I just think it makes sense to say, every year you wait it goes up a little bit but you still pay the same total amount

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I think it should just be that you are eligible for an extension after year 3, when the team has an option to pick up the 4th year. If the team decides to keep the player then the bump should take effect immediately heading into year 4. So I would just eliminate the year 1 and 2 options, so no 30% or 60% bumps. Make it only after year 3 and have it as a 180, 260, 340 system starting after year 3 which works the same as the 30, 60, 90 system

i like the $180, $260, $340 model, and perhaps have an even more lucrative model for rookie scale players that have made an all NBA team

[DOT]

why would you still pay the same amount you should have to pay much more, the fact that you are extending him later on is most likely because the player got better. if the player got better you should have to pay him much more

That makes no sense

Why should you be punished for picking a player that takes more time to develop?

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your not being punished your just having to pay closer to market value as opposed to getting a bargain. most people are looking at this extension idea as a one sided issue, and that is at a GM prospective at locking up your good young players at a cheap rate. While i think we should have a balance and think of this from a players prospective as well, most of these player that pan out would laugh at these extensions and test restricted free agency. This just involves teams managing there cap and be ready and have space to match offer sheets that could be in excess of 5-15% of cap.

Oh, that's it

You just want more guys to hit RFA so you can bid their price up to screw over everyone else

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