Offseason Thread: The Waiting is the Hardest Part

[iLLmatic860]

Jalen usually knows...

Can you name other times he was right?

I do remember he Was saying Bron to LA all last year.

[3toheadmelo]

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The Knicks are not expected to be in the mix for Russell or Harris. New York still believes it’s in the hunt for Kawhi Leonard, Irving and Durant. But, according to a source, the Knicks will punt their $70 million-plus in cap space if they can’t land one of those Tier A free agents. In other words, they’ll use the money to lock in one-year deals and do this all over again in 2020 when Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Draymond Green, Ben Simmons (restricted) and Pascal Siakam (restricted) hit the market.

Fawwwwk outta here D-snitchelo

[thebuzzardman]

I also can't believe how easily people forget that cap space represents something other than a spot for FA's to occupy.

How soon people forget.

Don't worry, if the Knicks max out sub max cat guys and later people bitch about how the Knicks couldn't get in on certain trades when stud players became available, I'll be sure to remind you. Often.

Homegrown homers didn't want AD, no chance they want to trade the amazing eventual cap casualities DSJ, Knox and Frank for a disgruntled stud

Strawman argument. Personally, I went back and forth.

Also, it would have been those 3 guys AND about 3 picks. It's not how great those guys are, but how much and how much left over and when.

And, also, that AD never really wanted anywhere but LA

[Deeeez Knicks]

Bondy-The Knicks are not expected to be in the mix for Russell or Harris. New York still believes it’s in the hunt for Kawhi Leonard, Irving and Durant. But, according to a source, the Knicks will punt their $70 million-plus in cap space if they can’t land one of those Tier A free agents. In other words, they’ll use the money to lock in one-year deals and do this all over again in 2020 when Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Draymond Green, Ben Simmons (restricted) and Pascal Siakam (restricted) hit the market.

Thankyou Pills.

Bondy is working hard to get his ban lifted

[Jeff Van Gully]

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jalen says kd will be a knick and kyrie will likely follow kd

i agree with 100% of jalen's points. i don't know about how his predictions will go, but his points all make sense.

and i'm glad greenberg pointed out that KD is viewed differently after dying for his team in defeat.

[drekwins]

i feel like a lot of you love russel because he plays locally and you see him a lot. if you listed the best players 25 and under he's not top 20.

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

You literally listed 3 PGs (you missed Trae). The rest are wings or big guys. PG is the most important position in the game. If DLO is the 3rd or 4th best PG under 25, he's a big time talent. Eventually, these are the guys who will be running the league as the older guys phase out.

[Knicksfan1992]

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jalen says kd will be a knick and kyrie will likely follow kd

Rather have Kemba than deal with Kyrie's nonsense but hopefully Jalen's right... Board has lost all optimism

[snadler]

When will people value defense when talking about acquiring signing players..both Randle and DLo don’t defend, Randle was top 5 worst and in fact was on the bench late in games for the pels because of it, or even subbed in and out offense/defense switch..seriously, it’s like signing a younger Kanter..puts up #’s but doesn’t help you win games

[VCBC]

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The Knicks are not expected to be in the mix for Russell or Harris. New York still believes it’s in the hunt for Kawhi Leonard, Irving and Durant. But, according to a source, the Knicks will punt their $70 million-plus in cap space if they can’t land one of those Tier A free agents. In other words, they’ll use the money to lock in one-year deals and do this all over again in 2020 when Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Draymond Green, Ben Simmons (restricted) and Pascal Siakam (restricted) hit the market.

With the #5 pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, the New York Knicks select...

[Jeff Van Gully]

Bondy-The Knicks are not expected to be in the mix for Russell or Harris. New York still believes it’s in the hunt for Kawhi Leonard, Irving and Durant. But, according to a source, the Knicks will punt their $70 million-plus in cap space if they can’t land one of those Tier A free agents. In other words, they’ll use the money to lock in one-year deals and do this all over again in 2020 when Anthony Davis, DeMar DeRozan, Draymond Green, Ben Simmons (restricted) and Pascal Siakam (restricted) hit the market.

Thankyou Pills.

Bondy is working hard to get his ban lifted

i mean, if this is what he knows this is his job to report. that shouldn't have any bearing. it also shouldn't matter if he hears the knicks aren't in the FA picture or plan to f it up.

i think where they got put on time out was the personal flavored stuff. if they fall back on the isola playbook, they might not experience that same level of disrespect again.

[god shammgod]

i feel like a lot of you love russel because he plays locally and you see him a lot. if you listed the best players 25 and under he's not top 20.

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

mitchell, kp (yes he is), i like ingram better as a prospect, there's probably more i'm forgetting....nurkic

[thebuzzardman]

We've reached the "Max out DLo and Randle" part of the pre FA process.

DLo\DSJr (the no D&D boys)
RJ\Trier
Knox\Iggy Brazzers
Randle\Mario (assumption he returns)
Mitch\DJ (another assumption)
Assorted extras: Frank, Kadeem, Kornet, 2 spots for (Wilkes or Hinton or Jenkins or Zak Irvin or Peters or VJ King or Ellenson)
45 win team maxed out for 4 years?

We would have a crowded roster and we could easily move some players with picks for stars and vets.

We would use Randle and Russel contracts as means to "reserve value". Because we will loose the cap space in two years (with new contracts for the young kids) and will receive nothing in return.

You might be right. I'd assume the Knicks can retain a LOT of that cap space by rolling over drafted guys who weren't worth it before they have a large cap hit, either by renouncing them or trading them or both.

This is opinion and prediction. We don't completely know who this team will operate. I'd hope they do what I'm suggesting. I don't specifically have an issue with the Knicks cutting/trading FRank, DSJr, Knox (for example) where one fetches a future pick and the other two are just left to walk. Ideally they'd get something for all 3, but I'd be ok with my example.

[DOT]

i feel like a lot of you love russel because he plays locally and you see him a lot. if you listed the best players 25 and under he's not top 20.

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

You literally listed 3 PGs (you missed Trae). The rest are wings or big guys. PG is the most important position in the game. If DLO is the 3rd or 4th best PG under 25, he's a big time talent. Eventually, these are the guys who will be running the league as the older guys phase out.

Talent is the most important position in the game

[Cookies4Life]

Ugh

I keep blocking this out

Do you really keep blocking it out?

I don't post that much but I do frequent this board on a daily basis. You've been non stop with Joakim Noah for over a year. It's bordering on an extremely unhealthy obsession.

Let me guess you're going to start mentioning defensive mechanisms and denial isn't just a river in Egypt, right? Find some new material, you're way past being a broken record at this juncture.

[drekwins]

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jalen says kd will be a knick and kyrie will likely follow kd

i agree with 100% of jalen's points. i don't know about how his predictions will go, but his points all make sense.

and i'm glad greenberg pointed out that KD is viewed differently after dying for his team in defeat.

Jalen is honestly one of the few that look at the Knicks objectively. The national media has been bashing the Knicks pretty badly over the last few months. It has become the popular thing to do. Jalen sticks to an objective bball opinion.

[god shammgod]

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

You literally listed 3 PGs (you missed Trae). The rest are wings or big guys. PG is the most important position in the game. If DLO is the 3rd or 4th best PG under 25, he's a big time talent. Eventually, these are the guys who will be running the league as the older guys phase out.

Talent is the most important position in the game

exactly. and top 10 in the league talent. he's not even top 10 in his age group.

[DOT]

i feel like a lot of you love russel because he plays locally and you see him a lot. if you listed the best players 25 and under he's not top 20.

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

mitchell, kp (yes he is), i like ingram better as a prospect, there's probably more i'm forgetting....nurkic

I don't think Nurkic, but Trae, arguably John Collins (super underrated imo), obviously Zion, maybe RJ (toss up)

Like I said, you could put him top 20, maybe top 15, but definitely not top 10

[thebuzzardman]

Homegrown homers/rebuilders were too good for Kyrie and AD, no way they want 2 under 24 who'll make 25% cap or less...

Another strawman argument by you.

Quite a few posters wanted Kryie and KD and keep the kids.

And the two things don't have anything to do with each other as well. KD (when healthy) and AD represent a level of proven success and value that max DLo and Randle don't. C'mon.

[Fury]

Kyrie
Barrett
Knox
Durant
Mitch

Dotson, Smith, Iggy, Trier, Randle, Dlo, Brogdon, KP

Spoiler:

just wanna see who kept reading

[drekwins]

Giannis
Embiid
Beal
Booker
Towns
Doncic
Jokic
Fox
Simmons
Ayton
Tatum
Murray
Siakam

That's what, 13? Definitely better, not counting guys in this draft. I guess you could say he's top 20, but it gets pretty nebulous after like 10

You literally listed 3 PGs (you missed Trae). The rest are wings or big guys. PG is the most important position in the game. If DLO is the 3rd or 4th best PG under 25, he's a big time talent. Eventually, these are the guys who will be running the league as the older guys phase out.

Talent is the most important position in the game

Tell that to George Karl. It took Billups (who was just as great of a bball player) to tame Melo and get the most out of his talent. Talent is great but it can also be a curse. Only a few EVER can carry a team on their back to a championship with talent. If you don't have one of those guys (LeBron, Kawhi, Shaq, Kobe), you want a great PG and a fast-paced/defensive minded team. PGs win lots of games (ala Portland - their cap was mismanaged but they end up a top 4 seed every year).