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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#281 » by GONYK » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:58 pm

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One statement that didn't get much attention: Mills said that the organization breaks down the season in 10-game increments. The first ended on Sunday with a humiliating 108-87 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers at MSG, after which Mills and Perry did something unusual, bordering on unthinkable in Knicks world: They met the media and said they weren't happy with the 2-8 start.

It quickly became clear that this is a crisis. The Athletic's Frank Isola reported that owner James Dolan made Mills and Perry talk to reporters and that he intends to try to poach Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri, whose contract expires in 2021. ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski and Malika Andrews reported that, while Mills said publicly that he still believes in the coaching staff, behind the scenes he is trying to get Fizdale fired.

The Knicks are 30th in offense and 21st in net rating, per Cleaning The Glass. Fizdale has talked about getting stops, running and sharing the ball since he was first introduced as coach, but they are 21st in defense, 23rd in transition frequency, 26th in pace and 27th in assist rate, with an offense that suffers from poor spacing and poor decision-making. It's difficult to argue that Fizdale has done an awesome job. It is ridiculous, however, to assign him more blame than the front office that constructed the roster.
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New York didn't have to add Randle, Portis and Gibson when it already had Robinson and Knox, who should probably play most of his minutes at power forward. It definitely didn't need to sign forward Marcus Morris a week and a half later. You might say that the Knicks had been selling a patient rebuild and then they sped up, blocking their young guys because they were so desperate to go from terrible to mediocre. Anyone around the league will tell you that it is exponentially easier to make that kind of leap than it is to go from decent to very good or from very good to great.

The real issue, though, is that they failed to get that right. It is understandable that the Knicks didn't want to have another 17-win season, that they wanted to add some structure, experience and grit. Brooklyn was forced to go that route because of its draft-pick debt, and it paid off when it established an identity, made the playoffs and completely changed the way the league saw the organization. Look at what the Suns are doing with Ricky Rubio, Aron Baynes and Dario Saric in the mix -- no one is talking about Robert Sarver in Phoenix, and Dolan would surely kill for similar silence in New York, but this collection of ill-fitting parts has brought all sorts of noise.

When the Knicks failed to sign top-end talent, their leadership said with straight faces that they were pleased with Plan B. "This group that we have assembled, we had them on the board as a roster and we like the way they fit with each other," Mills said at media day, as if this was a perfectly balanced team. Ideally, though, you'd want to put Barrett next to guards who can space the floor, and you'd want Randle to play with another big who can both shoot and protect the rim. Robinson would thrive next to a versatile, stretchy 4, and Payton would be best playing spread pick-and-roll. Fizdale's rotations probably aren't satisfying anybody, but all he can do is mix and match and make compromises.

Regardless of Fizdale's fate, the next notable date on the calendar is Dec. 15, when Randle, Portis, Morris, Payton, Gibson, Ellington and Reggie Bullock will be eligible to be traded. Teams with realistic playoff hopes could use those guys, and New York would be wise to lose some of them. It is almost certainly too late for the front office to create the kind of winning environment it crowed about, but it's not too late to create an environment less messy than this one, where the young core has a proper chance to grow.


it's like i said all along, their plan this summer was to go out get some free agents and be like last year's nets. they just don't know how to pick players or put together a roster. the idea was fine, the execution was terrible.


Yup, and like I said before, they were trying to skip steps.

The Nets had a coach who established an identity and a system. They built a culture. They didn't play Mudiay 35 mins a game over their own picks and them let him go at the end of the year to start all over again with a new team.

The Knicks tried to shortcut what took the Nets 3 years. Now they are sitting in the mess they created and allowed Fizdale to foster.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#282 » by Synciere » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:59 pm

will wrote:Bringing Action Jackson back home would be so Knicks.

It's either going to be an absolutely genius move...or an absolute disaster.


I was never big on Mark Jackson, probably because of all the God talk, but at this point what tf else could go wrong?
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#283 » by knickstape21 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:00 pm

This is definitely messy, but just want to say when the Knicks win one day, it’s going to be the most glorious celebration of all time. Stay strong guys.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#284 » by will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:01 pm

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will wrote:Bringing Action Jackson back home would be so Knicks.

It's either going to be an absolutely genius move...or an absolute disaster.


I was never big on Mark Jackson, probably because of all the God talk, but at this point what tf else could go wrong?


At least there will be the hot mess entertainment factor.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#285 » by Illightinati » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:01 pm

WHAT THE ABSOLUTE F*** IS GOING ON ???
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#286 » by Mecca » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:02 pm

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Mecca wrote:Sorry, I have no faith in the FO that scouted Kentucky for a year and decided that Kevin Knox was the team’s best prospect on a team featuring SGA that carried them into the tournament.

Or a team that thought spending over 100 million on veterans looking for their stats on 1 year deals was a genius idea when the young kids need to develop.


They admitted why they picked Knox. He killed miles bridges in a one on one workout. They ignored a full year of meh production and poor IQ because they saw some big dude dominate in a 1 on 1...I would fire them off that explanation alone.

Let alone the countless other things both thes guys have bumbled



Yeah. That was all Fizdale in their ear over a single workout. Literally gross incompetence.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#287 » by JBreezeNY » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:02 pm

SAS & the fans that keep talking about Mark Jackson is so goddamn laughable.

I understand his explanation of why you bring him in but signing a guy just because he commands respect & he’s a New Yorker doesn’t mean he’s a good coach.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt tho, he got that warriors team in the playoffs & he inspired the players to the point Steph Curry was hesitant about Kerr coming.

The main problem comes down to this for me tho, I’m tired of one way coaches the same way I’m tired of one way players.

Can you coach defense AND offense? If not then go weh.

Jackson has those elevator screen plays but for the most part the offense was Curry iso show with a big stress on defense. We don’t have a Curry and honestly I’m good off isolations for a long time after Melo.

Let Mike coach the team, fire Pills in the offseason, let Allan take over as GM, slide Perry to assist GM, idk who becomes president.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#288 » by will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 pm

Illightinati wrote:WHAT THE ABSOLUTE F*** IS GOING ON ???


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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#289 » by Deeeez Knicks » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 pm

I just hope Mills and Perry don't do any further damage on the way out the door.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#290 » by GEOLINK » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:03 pm

So in a day there's already leaks that Fiz and Perry's jobs are on the line.

No wonder Perry looked like he wanted to choke somebody to death last night.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#291 » by god shammgod » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:05 pm

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One statement that didn't get much attention: Mills said that the organization breaks down the season in 10-game increments. The first ended on Sunday with a humiliating 108-87 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers at MSG, after which Mills and Perry did something unusual, bordering on unthinkable in Knicks world: They met the media and said they weren't happy with the 2-8 start.

It quickly became clear that this is a crisis. The Athletic's Frank Isola reported that owner James Dolan made Mills and Perry talk to reporters and that he intends to try to poach Toronto Raptors president Masai Ujiri, whose contract expires in 2021. ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski and Malika Andrews reported that, while Mills said publicly that he still believes in the coaching staff, behind the scenes he is trying to get Fizdale fired.

The Knicks are 30th in offense and 21st in net rating, per Cleaning The Glass. Fizdale has talked about getting stops, running and sharing the ball since he was first introduced as coach, but they are 21st in defense, 23rd in transition frequency, 26th in pace and 27th in assist rate, with an offense that suffers from poor spacing and poor decision-making. It's difficult to argue that Fizdale has done an awesome job. It is ridiculous, however, to assign him more blame than the front office that constructed the roster.
Knicks media day


New York didn't have to add Randle, Portis and Gibson when it already had Robinson and Knox, who should probably play most of his minutes at power forward. It definitely didn't need to sign forward Marcus Morris a week and a half later. You might say that the Knicks had been selling a patient rebuild and then they sped up, blocking their young guys because they were so desperate to go from terrible to mediocre. Anyone around the league will tell you that it is exponentially easier to make that kind of leap than it is to go from decent to very good or from very good to great.

The real issue, though, is that they failed to get that right. It is understandable that the Knicks didn't want to have another 17-win season, that they wanted to add some structure, experience and grit. Brooklyn was forced to go that route because of its draft-pick debt, and it paid off when it established an identity, made the playoffs and completely changed the way the league saw the organization. Look at what the Suns are doing with Ricky Rubio, Aron Baynes and Dario Saric in the mix -- no one is talking about Robert Sarver in Phoenix, and Dolan would surely kill for similar silence in New York, but this collection of ill-fitting parts has brought all sorts of noise.

When the Knicks failed to sign top-end talent, their leadership said with straight faces that they were pleased with Plan B. "This group that we have assembled, we had them on the board as a roster and we like the way they fit with each other," Mills said at media day, as if this was a perfectly balanced team. Ideally, though, you'd want to put Barrett next to guards who can space the floor, and you'd want Randle to play with another big who can both shoot and protect the rim. Robinson would thrive next to a versatile, stretchy 4, and Payton would be best playing spread pick-and-roll. Fizdale's rotations probably aren't satisfying anybody, but all he can do is mix and match and make compromises.

Regardless of Fizdale's fate, the next notable date on the calendar is Dec. 15, when Randle, Portis, Morris, Payton, Gibson, Ellington and Reggie Bullock will be eligible to be traded. Teams with realistic playoff hopes could use those guys, and New York would be wise to lose some of them. It is almost certainly too late for the front office to create the kind of winning environment it crowed about, but it's not too late to create an environment less messy than this one, where the young core has a proper chance to grow.


it's like i said all along, their plan this summer was to go out get some free agents and be like last year's nets. they just don't know how to pick players or put together a roster. the idea was fine, the execution was terrible.


Yup, and like I said before, they were trying to skip steps.

The Nets had a coach who established an identity and a system. They built a culture. They didn't play Mudiay 35 mins a game over their own picks and them let him go at the end of the year to start all over again with a new team.

The Knicks tried to shortcut what took the Nets 3 years. Now they are sitting in the mess they created and allowed Fizdale to foster.


from the look of it, fizdale has 10 games and then he'll be fired. i didn't pay attention to mike miller who i guess will get the nod. what did his team in westchester look like ? and will he even be able to play the pieces he wants how he wants ?
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Post#293 » by will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:05 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:SAS & the fans that keep talking about Mark Jackson is so goddamn laughing.

I understand his explanation of why you bring him in but signing a guy just because he commands respect & he’s a New Yorker doesn’t mean he’s a good coach.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt tho, he got that warriors team in the playoffs & he inspired the players to the point Steph Curry was hesitant about Kerr coming.

The main problem comes down to this for me tho, I’m tired of one way coaches the same way I’m tired of one way players.

Can you coach defense AND offense? If not then go weh.

Jackson has those elevator screen plays but for the most part the offense was Curry iso show with a big stress on defense. We don’t have a Curry and honestly I’m good off isolations for a long time after Melo.

Let Mike coach the team, fire Pills in the offseason, let Allan take over as GM, slide Perry to assist GM, idk who becomes president.


The man who once got the max deal will be doling out max deals himself?

I cannot wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post#295 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:06 pm

While we're separating the wheat from the chaff, Randle, Portis, and Morris can go too.
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Post#296 » by will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:06 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:I just hope Mills and Perry don't do any further damage on the way out the door.


We are gonna get a 3 way slapboxing match between Fiz, Perry and Mills.
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Post#297 » by will » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:07 pm

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Post#298 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:08 pm

will wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:SAS & the fans that keep talking about Mark Jackson is so goddamn laughing.

I understand his explanation of why you bring him in but signing a guy just because he commands respect & he’s a New Yorker doesn’t mean he’s a good coach.

I will give him the benefit of the doubt tho, he got that warriors team in the playoffs & he inspired the players to the point Steph Curry was hesitant about Kerr coming.

The main problem comes down to this for me tho, I’m tired of one way coaches the same way I’m tired of one way players.

Can you coach defense AND offense? If not then go weh.

Jackson has those elevator screen plays but for the most part the offense was Curry iso show with a big stress on defense. We don’t have a Curry and honestly I’m good off isolations for a long time after Melo.

Let Mike coach the team, fire Pills in the offseason, let Allan take over as GM, slide Perry to assist GM, idk who becomes president.


The man who once got the max deal will be doling out max deals himself?

I cannot wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bring LJ, Sprewell, and Bernard on board. I mean they're at the games, so, might as well I guess.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#299 » by Galou » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:08 pm

I'm just here to see the world burn :-?
F$+*k the Nets.
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Re: WOJ: Knicks president [Mills] angling for David Fizdale firing 

Post#300 » by GONYK » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:09 pm

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it's like i said all along, their plan this summer was to go out get some free agents and be like last year's nets. they just don't know how to pick players or put together a roster. the idea was fine, the execution was terrible.


Yup, and like I said before, they were trying to skip steps.

The Nets had a coach who established an identity and a system. They built a culture. They didn't play Mudiay 35 mins a game over their own picks and them let him go at the end of the year to start all over again with a new team.

The Knicks tried to shortcut what took the Nets 3 years. Now they are sitting in the mess they created and allowed Fizdale to foster.


from the look of it, fizdale has 10 games and then he'll be fired. i didn't pay attention to mike miller who i guess will get the nod. what did his team in westchester look like ? and will he even be able to play the pieces he wants how he wants ?


I never really followed them. From what I understand, he built his system around the players.

The freedom he has with this roster will be key. I'd rather they send all these vets out of town before he takes over, but I doubt that will happen.

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