2019-2020 College/Draft thread IX (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT) - Picking 8 who do you NOT want???

[thebuzzardman]

Or, more to the point, if people aren't sold on the PG's at 8 and are thinking Vessel, why not Bey?

He seems to offer a similar skill set, with a touch less athleticism but more bball skills already displayed

Personally, I think Vassell has a higher ceiling and that his package will play better in the NBA. Eye test from my standpoint. But at 8, unless someone drops, no one is really ideal IMO to make me want to stay at 8. If I'm focusing on a lower ceiling player with perhaps a more defined modern NBA game or a high risk/upside type raw player (guys you really start having to look at starting at 8) I'd probably be looking to move the pick (to move up, down, out). Not a fan of our draft spot at all.

I don't like it either, and have resigned myself to the fact that all the players I want or think would truly make a difference for the Knicks (LaMelo, Edwards, Hayes) will be gone.

The only upside is, the highest chance at who the Knicks like best that is left 8-24.
I mean, obviously I'm kidding a bit, as maybe the we really want Okoro, but he's gone at 7, but I'm of the opinion that once you get out of the top 5 in nearly every draft, they flatten out a lot going towards the high teens/early 20's.

Drafting higher means having 1st or 2nd dibs on the "best of the rest"
Of course, that means being actually able to scout the 7-20 range accurately, which the Knicks haven't been able to do.
New regime, maybe they'll do better now

[The Lamma]

Besart's draft be like:

#8 LaMelo
#27 Wiseman
#38 Avdija

[Jeff Van Gully]

I would love to end up with Nesmith and Patrick Williams

or Vassell and Patric Williams...


or Kira "" ...

Or Nesmith and vassell

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

[iLLmatic860]

Lets trade for cp3 and trade down for Lamelo **** it

[-YogiBiz-]

or Vassell and Patric Williams...


or Kira "" ...

Or Nesmith and vassell

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

Nesmith. Not even close.

The dude keeps getting hyped up, but he's Kyle Korver.

[HerSports85]

or Vassell and Patric Williams...


or Kira "" ...

Or Nesmith and vassell

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

Nesmith .. while always keeping 2 of 3 on the floor. Also pair Nesmith with DSJ, he need someone who can drive and kick and handle the ball.

[jvsimonetti0514]

or Vassell and Patric Williams...


or Kira "" ...

Or Nesmith and vassell

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

you probably could play all 3 if you really want too. RJ is a good rebounder and should be able to play some 4. I kinda like to pretend that Randle isn't on the team anymore.

[RHODEY]

Or Nesmith and vassell

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

Nesmith. Not even close.

The dude keeps getting hyped up, but he's Kyle Korver.

Not sure being compared to Kyle Korver is a bad thing. To me Duncan Robinson is the modern day equivalent and I certainly y wouldn't mind drafting someone like him

[moocow007]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade the 8 and 10 to move to top 4 while also trading Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while moving up in the lottery and adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

Oh if the Suns are willing to do that I'd take that in a second. And yep, then look to take 8 and 10 and move up to get one of the top guys.

[Worst_to_First]

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I still see Haliburton as more of an SG.

[HarthorneWingo]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

Oh if the Suns are willing to do that I'd take that in a second.

Fixed

[moocow007]

which of nesmith, vassell, or RJ are coming off the bench?

Nesmith. Not even close.

The dude keeps getting hyped up, but he's Kyle Korver.

Not sure being compared to Kyle Korver is a bad thing. To me Duncan Robinson is the modern day equivalent and I certainly y wouldn't mind drafting someone like him

A shorter darker Steve Novak? Too low a blow?

[HarthorneWingo]

Nesmith. Not even close.

The dude keeps getting hyped up, but he's Kyle Korver.

Not sure being compared to Kyle Korver is a bad thing. To me Duncan Robinson is the modern day equivalent and I certainly y wouldn't mind drafting someone like him

A shorter darker Steve Novak? Too low a blow?

Nesmith has between a 6'10" and 7' wingospan. Steve Novak? Nesmith has much more upside than Novak ever had. Jesus. Let's not forget how bad we need outside/3 point shooting. At least Nesmith can dunk the basketball.

[Worst_to_First]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade the 8 and 10 to move to top 4 while also trading Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while moving up in the lottery and adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

Oh if the Suns are willing to do that I'd take that in a second. And yep, then look to take 8 and 10 and move up to get one of the top guys.

If both Okongwu and Toppin make it to 8 the Warriors may be all over this deal. The thought of coming out of this draft with those two might be too hard for them to pass up.

[moocow007]

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I still see Haliburton as more of an SG.

I see a role playing combo guard that can't create his own shot. That might work well if we actually had a primary shot creator type but the most capable ones we had for the bulk of last season were these two guys..





...the former 99.44% of Knick fans would apparently love to see be drawn and quartered, the later was waived about a minute and a half into the new regimes control for a career G-Leaguer.

There's only so many alley-oops to Mitchell Robinson you can make in a game/season before opposing teams figure it out and you can't shoot if teams defenders are face covering you cause you can't really create your own shot and none of your other teammates are really a serious threat to score or set you up for open looks.

This is an example of what I'm talking about.

You can't just simply look at a player and what he's done in the current situation and expect that he'll be as able to do it in any other situation. Same with guys like Patty Mills (then) and FVV (now), so too with guys like Haliburton. Haliburton would be fine if we're talking about the Warriors cause he can fill specific roles and focus on what he does well. On the Knicks what he doesn't do well will become front and center exposed. Why? Cause that's what the Knicks need.

[Besart19]

Besart's draft be like:

#8 LaMelo
#27 Wiseman
#38 Avdija

We have Mitch! #8 and a bad contract for a higher pick

[stuporman]

Absorb Oubre for the 10 then trade the 8 and 10 to move to top 4 while also trading Randle to Utah for Conley and 23 so the Knicks come away with Oubre and Conley while moving up in the lottery and adding an additional late 1st. Unless they can also turn the 2 later picks into one around 15 that would work as well.

If this happens just call me stupodamous....

Think I read something about Utah leaning against doing the Randle for Conley deal because they want to preserve spacing

That wouldn't surprise me it's smart but there aren't very many teams that can absorb 30mil in salary while also having a 20-10 pf who shoots decent and passes very well to give back. Maybe the coaching staff there could reign in his worst tendencies and maximize his production with the established stars already there.

Although those types of good things don't happen to the Knicks so it's more hope than prediction haha

[moocow007]

Not sure being compared to Kyle Korver is a bad thing. To me Duncan Robinson is the modern day equivalent and I certainly y wouldn't mind drafting someone like him

A shorter darker Steve Novak? Too low a blow?

Nesmith has between a 6'10" and 7' wingospan. Steve Novak? Nesmith has much more upside than Novak ever had. Jesus. Let's not forget how bad we need outside/3 point shooting. At least Nesmith can dunk the basketball.

I was kidding. Trying to be funny. Sheesh.

[F N 11]

Vassel is on the radar. There’s a play where he switched on 4 screens by design disrupting plays.

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Frank
DV
RJ
Bertrans/Grant/Gallinari
Mitch

Gah damn

[HarthorneWingo]

A shorter darker Steve Novak? Too low a blow?

Nesmith has between a 6'10" and 7' wingospan. Steve Novak? Nesmith has much more upside than Novak ever had. Jesus. Let's not forget how bad we need outside/3 point shooting. At least Nesmith can dunk the basketball.

I was kidding. Trying to be funny. Sheesh.