Rumors and Discussion Thread (NYK and NBA) IV

[Chanel Bomber]

From a team building standpoint, this is where it gets tough to fit pieces around Mitch/Obi/RJ

It was pretty easy finding pieces that fit with Mitch and RJ. Find a PG who can shoot and play both on/off ball, and two switchable 3&D wings.

The addition of Obi makes things A LOT tougher for us in terms of team-building. I’m not talking about him as a prospect, just the fit.

FVV at PG or Bogdanovic at SG
Haliburton at G
RJ
Hayward
Mitch

Makes more sense from a basketball standpoint than those Frankenstein line-ups we’re left debating now imo.

[Richard4444]

Knicks don’t need any more forwards. I like Hayward, but he’s a 3 or even a small-ball 4 in today’s NBA. Signing him when we already have a logjam at 3-5 would be lunacy.

Knicks need to focus on the backcourt and get some shooting in there. George Hill, DJ Augustine, Fred Van Curry, Mike Conley, Bogdan Bogdanovic, Buddy Hield... These should be the types of profile we’re looking to add.

It’s hard to predict who’s gonna bust or be overpaid but we can at least target the right archetype.

I dont see a logjam if you assume Randle is moving.

In the regular rotation, we have

Frank (1,2)
RJ (2,3)
Knox (3,4)
Obi (4,5)
Mitch (5)
Burks (2)
Bullock (2,3)

We have:
PG -1
SG - 4
SF - 3
PF - 2
C -2

Our logjam is at SG. And I am not counting Quick who can crack a rotation spot with time.

Iggy and Ed are not in normal rotation.

? /Frank/Dennis
RJ/Burks/Quick
?/Bullock/Iggy
Obi/Knox/?
Mitch/?/Ed

[thebuzzardman]

Not that hard. Find guys that can space the floor and can at least play decent defense. Open that lane up and watch them fly.

2 of the positions (themselves) are already compromising spacing.

Nah Obi can shoot the ball and RJ showed improvements as the season went on. In a set I would put RJ and Obi at either corner with Obi on the weak side. Then put our best shooter on the opposite wing and run pick and roll to death with Mitch. You can create variations off of that set for teams to have to pick their poison

Obi shot a little. I wouldn't bank on that spacing just yet. Same with RJ's improvement. Teams could still be sagging off them. Anyway, it's the OTHER shooters that would space for them, correct?

I guess Quickly could come along faster than expected and get major minutes. That leaves PG, since Quickly seems more a 2 than 1, right now.

PG ?
Quickly
RJ
Obi
Mitch

[rajajackal]

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nah

this is the PG i have wanted all along.

Looks like we are in the minority lol Rondo makes sense as back up point guard on a cheap contract. He really improved his 3 pt shot and is perfect for Obi and Mitch nobody makes better lob passes than Rondo and he is still great in P&R. It's a no brainer.

we would see so many buckets. i'm not in the tank camp, nor am i in the Westbrook/Hayward camp. i'm happy to take Rondo, Melo, and players like Burks to surround our young guys. we'd be extremely in-play at the trade deadline (assuming DSJ and knox play even 25% better than they did last year) and Thibs/Rondo would have the **** humming

[KnicksGadfly]

All teams that have shown signs of life. Teams that don’t tank year after year and hire the wrong coaches and GMs and they actually develop talent. Maybe at some point we’ll stop tanking and actually show signs of life so players have more than just financial reasons to join us. I know we are conditioned to think “THIRTEENTH PICK BAD TANKING GOOD” but how has that worked out for anyone since, I dunno, the Cavs in 03?

We haven’t been tanking we’ve just been inept.

Also you need talent to develop it we have very little talent to work with which is why you want to get those guys through the draft who are good enough to convince FA’s to eventually come here.

The tanking comment was aimed more towards fans that somehow are still under the impression that tanking is a viable solution in 2020. We agree though. You need to develop what you have so that you can show those signs of life and actually be an attractive destination. We’ve drafted talented players, we’ve just completely botched their development. Hopefully it stops this year with Thibs taking over and him actually having a track record of developing wing players like RJ (Butler) and big men like Mitch (KAT)

Well my rebuttal is that you can’t use the Knicks as an argument against tanking. In fact they’re a really good argument against doing stupid FA signings, especially ones that don’t have good shots or defense.

[mpharris36]

so who cares then ? and he still was in the rotation the whole year anyway. he needed 35 minutes or something ?

because he was bad his rookie year but still had value

he was bad and got zero playing time which completely tanked his value. Even if you don't like someone you have to pretend to like them and at least get something of value for him.

Not playing 30 minutes a game didn't tank his value... Him sucking every minute he played did

Not all his fault. A lot of blame goes to Mills/Perry/Fiz for not having a plan but Knox still sucked regardless

yes knox stunk...i said the minute they drafted him he wasn't a good basketball player. Everyone then got a huge chub after watching him in summer league and then realized he is garbage. But my point is he is on the team now, it behooves us to try to extract whatever value we can get for him...just burying him on the bench for a half year rental is just stupid.

All you need is knox to have a hot 10 game stretch where he hits his 3's and you can trade him...people are prisoners of the moment.

[god shammgod]

obi was just average in the pnr in college playing against little kids. mitch is elite in the pnr in the nba (the 97th percentile). and lord knows obi can't defend down there. so you're not gonna play obi at center. it doesn't really work on either end.

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its happening Cap!!

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Kris Dunn to hawks 10 mill, 2 years

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Knicks Film School reads post by CapnO, makes tweet

Knicks are cornering the market on point guards who can't shoot.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Welp Melton got paid

[god shammgod]

because he was bad his rookie year but still had value

he was bad and got zero playing time which completely tanked his value. Even if you don't like someone you have to pretend to like them and at least get something of value for him.

the rest of the league aint stupid. they know what he is. alan hahn talked about how every team targeted him because he was so bad on defense. it was in the scouting report to get the switch on knox because he's food.

His defense wack but it didn’t help that we didn’t run plays for him. The kid is projected as a shooter and a pick and roll handler. Just stuck him in a corner in limited minutes don’t help him.

he's a shooter who couldn't shoot. he had a ton of open looks and couldn't hit them with any regularity.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Knox sucks but we still should have played him more min as a stretch 4 in small ball lineups over guys like Portis who had no future here.

[3toheadmelo]

? I’d stick RJ at SG. What would your plan be?

DSJ (or Frank)
Quickley
RJ
Obi
Mitch

Tank

I like the idea of developing RJ as a 2, there's nothing about him that should prevent him from being able to defend the 2, which is also why I like the idea of signing Hayward. You put enough wings on the floor and there will always be a mismatch somewhere on the court.

Meh not sure I really see him as a 2. But still I don’t want here Hayward chucking up a lot of shots. He should go to a winning team

[NotDikembeSayNo]

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Per 36 Fan Club meltdown commence!

[mpharris36]

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its happening Cap!!

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womp womp

not paying him that much either

[YungKnicks]

Myles Powell going to show Frank and DSJ what a real step back look like "I said what I said"

[thebuzzardman]

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Knicks Film School reads post by CapnO, makes tweet

Knicks are cornering the market on point guards who can't shoot.

Except Melton can shoot

[Deeeez Knicks]

From a team building standpoint, this is where it gets tough to fit pieces around Mitch/Obi/RJ

Not that hard. Find guys that can space the floor and can at least play decent defense. Open that lane up and watch them fly.

Even with 2 shooters, its kind of a clunky fit imo

[Polk377]

2 of the positions (themselves) are already compromising spacing.

Nah Obi can shoot the ball and RJ showed improvements as the season went on. In a set I would put RJ and Obi at either corner with Obi on the weak side. Then put our best shooter on the opposite wing and run pick and roll to death with Mitch. You can create variations off of that set for teams to have to pick their poison

Obi shot a little. I wouldn't bank on that spacing just yet. Same with RJ's improvement. Teams could still be sagging off them. Anyway, it's the OTHER shooters that would space for them, correct?

I guess Quickly could come along faster than expected and get major minutes. That leaves PG, since Quickly seems more a 2 than 1, right now.

PG ?
Quickly
RJ
Obi
Mitch

I think Burks takes that 2 spot unless we get Bogdon or Hayward. At this point I would have to assume PG is Frank.