Trades and Transactions, 2022 Edition

[islanders11040]

if john wall was bought out, should the knicks have any interest in him on the minimum?

[br7knicks]

if john wall was bought out, should the knicks have any interest in him on the minimum?

minimum would be fine. also have to check attitude. what are his expectations. i like what the knicks have right now. if he'd come in and hurt the mentality and approach to games, i'd steer clear.

[3toheadmelo]

if john wall was bought out, should the knicks have any interest in him on the minimum?

minimum would be fine. also have to check attitude. what are his expectations. i like what the knicks have right now. if he'd come in and hurt the mentality and approach to games, i'd steer clear.

i would take him over kemba to be honest. at least wall can play good defense. kemba looks washed. in fact kemba is so washed we're still relying on rose to finish games

[robillionaire]

if john wall was bought out, should the knicks have any interest in him on the minimum?

minimum would be fine. also have to check attitude. what are his expectations. i like what the knicks have right now. if he'd come in and hurt the mentality and approach to games, i'd steer clear.

i would take him over kemba to be honest. at least wall can play good defense. kemba looks washed. in fact kemba is so washed we're still relying on rose to finish games

Yeah I'd bring him in at all costs. we might end up having to stretch waive kemba with a walker at this rate

[TBri1974]

We clearly need a long 3&D wing/defensive stopper. Perhaps Grimes will take on some of that role, but I am thinking someone 6'8 or taller.

[8516knicks]

We clearly need a long 3&D wing/defensive stopper. Perhaps Grimes will take on some of that role, but I am thinking someone 6'8 or taller.

should have gone for Bey when we had the chance. Or Mikal.

[cgf]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

[WargamesX]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

Couldn’t the Knicks just move some money and make a offer?

[WargamesX]

We clearly need a long 3&D wing/defensive stopper. Perhaps Grimes will take on some of that role, but I am thinking someone 6'8 or taller.

should have gone for Bey when we had the chance. Or Mikal.

Too late to worry about that now. The real question is does anyone hit the trade market. Guys like Josh Jackson might go for cheap. Convington is just a Blazers rebuild away for probably being traded for a pick and cap space. Cam Reddish was reportedly being offered for some picks but who knows what his value will be to the Hawks if he stays playing well, it might end up making Huerter or Hunter available. The Raptors messed up paying OG Anunoby what they did, only because he and Scottie Barnes are interchangeable in a lot of ways. Joe Ingles might become available too since Utah is in the luxury tax range….

Either way there will be options, Knicks just need to wait as a buyer. It’s too early to start making offers. If in the end the Knicks really need that, I think they have the assets to get a player like that and not have it hurt like they were trading for a star.

[Richard4444]

We clearly need a long 3&D wing/defensive stopper. Perhaps Grimes will take on some of that role, but I am thinking someone 6'8 or taller.

should have gone for Bey when we had the chance. Or Mikal.

We need a vet. An exceptional 2 way younger player (like Hunter) would be great as well but really hard to get.

We don't need G-league-level players.

[8516knicks]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

Too much for Sexton. Why would we want to pay him when even Cleveland doesn't?

[cgf]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

Couldn’t the Knicks just move some money and make a offer?

A) Cleveland could match an offer just so they don't lose him for nothing...according to their fans they've already offered him the Allen contract (5x100M) but Sexton only wanted a 3yr deal from them...and b) I'm not sure how feasible opening enough money would be.


So I took a look on the capulator; if we waive Taj's unguaranteed salary and renounce everything except for our FRP & Mitch's caphold, we'd be around 4-5M under the cap. So we'd need to dump -- without taking any money back -- Fournier, Rose...while also renouncing one of Mitch / our FRP...or two of Kemba / Burks / Noel, just to get around what Cleveland was supposedly willing to pay him.

Which is more doable than I thought, but still depends on what it would cost to open that space, who we could find buyers for, and what it would cost to get Cleveland not to match.

Fournier & Burks aren't exactly in the prime age range for teams with capspace, and I'm doubtful anyone will want to give us capspace for Kemba without getting paid for it...as implied by my idea lol. So Nerlens would probably be our best bet to dump for free as he's signed to a reasonable contract for a backup rim-protector and he's on the right side of 30...and if we could find someone to give us cap space for Noel, then paying OKC a pick to eat Kemba again would get us to 20M+ in capspace. At which point getting Cleveland not to match, would be the only hurdle left.

So it looks like if they'll agree not to match for less than IQ+pick...and Leon finds a team who'll give us cap space for Kemba, Nerlens, & a FRP...then that would be the more cost-efficient path. But if they want IQ not to match, we're better off just working with them from the start & keeping our exceptions, even if it costs us an extra pick.

[cgf]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

Too much for Sexton. Why would we want to pay him when even Cleveland doesn't?

A) because they have Darius Garland & we don't...similar logic could've been used against signing Randle too
B) according to Cleveland fans, their FO is willing to pay him, he just doesn't want to sign there for 5 years & was only willing to take their money for 3 so he could get to UFA faster.

[WargamesX]

If Cleveland hesitates on paying Sexton and Kemba looks done-done by season's end; how would folks feel about something like:

Cleveland in: Quickley, Noel, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP
New York in: Sexton at 4yrs 80-90M
Team 3 in: Kemba, NYK/DAL 2023 FRP

2022-2023 roster:
Robinson | Gibson | Sims
Randle | Toppin
Barrett | Grimes
Fournier | Burks
Sexton | Rose | McBride
+
NYK 2022 FRP, full-MLE, BAE

Couldn’t the Knicks just move some money and make a offer?

A) Cleveland could match an offer just so they don't lose him for nothing...according to their fans they've already offered him the Allen contract (5x100M) but Sexton only wanted a 3yr deal from them...and b) I'm not sure how feasible opening enough money would be.


So I took a look on the capulator; if we waive Taj's unguaranteed salary and renounce everything except for our FRP & Mitch's caphold, we'd be around 4-5M under the cap. So we'd need to dump -- without taking any money back -- Fournier, Rose...while also renouncing one of Mitch / our FRP...or two of Kemba / Burks / Noel, just to get around what Cleveland was supposedly willing to pay him.

Which is more doable than I thought, but still depends on what it would cost to open that space, who we could find buyers for, and what it would cost to get Cleveland not to match.

Fournier & Burks aren't exactly in the prime age range for teams with capspace, and I'm doubtful anyone will want to give us capspace for Kemba without getting paid for it...as implied by my idea lol. So Nerlens would probably be our best bet to dump for free as he's signed to a reasonable contract for a backup rim-protector and he's on the right side of 30...and if we could find someone to give us cap space for Noel, then paying OKC a pick to eat Kemba again would get us to 20M+ in capspace. At which point getting Cleveland not to match, would be the only hurdle left.

So it looks like if they'll agree not to match for less than IQ+pick...and Leon finds a team who'll give us cap space for Kemba, Nerlens, & a FRP...then that would be the more cost-efficient path. But if they want IQ not to match, we're better off just working with them from the start & keeping our exceptions, even if it costs us an extra pick.

This is the type of math that makes me think it would make more sense to try and trade for Sexton on a rookie contract. Keep in mind I am not at all behind “Sexton is the long term answer at pg” but from a transaction pov the Knicks should see if they can trade for a good piece with upside that a team might be hesitant to pay.

[cgf]

Couldn’t the Knicks just move some money and make a offer?

A) Cleveland could match an offer just so they don't lose him for nothing...according to their fans they've already offered him the Allen contract (5x100M) but Sexton only wanted a 3yr deal from them...and b) I'm not sure how feasible opening enough money would be.


So I took a look on the capulator; if we waive Taj's unguaranteed salary and renounce everything except for our FRP & Mitch's caphold, we'd be around 4-5M under the cap. So we'd need to dump -- without taking any money back -- Fournier, Rose...while also renouncing one of Mitch / our FRP...or two of Kemba / Burks / Noel, just to get around what Cleveland was supposedly willing to pay him.

Which is more doable than I thought, but still depends on what it would cost to open that space, who we could find buyers for, and what it would cost to get Cleveland not to match.

Fournier & Burks aren't exactly in the prime age range for teams with capspace, and I'm doubtful anyone will want to give us capspace for Kemba without getting paid for it...as implied by my idea lol. So Nerlens would probably be our best bet to dump for free as he's signed to a reasonable contract for a backup rim-protector and he's on the right side of 30...and if we could find someone to give us cap space for Noel, then paying OKC a pick to eat Kemba again would get us to 20M+ in capspace. At which point getting Cleveland not to match, would be the only hurdle left.

So it looks like if they'll agree not to match for less than IQ+pick...and Leon finds a team who'll give us cap space for Kemba, Nerlens, & a FRP...then that would be the more cost-efficient path. But if they want IQ not to match, we're better off just working with them from the start & keeping our exceptions, even if it costs us an extra pick.

This is the type of math that makes me think it would make more sense to try and trade for Sexton on a rookie contract. Keep in mind I am not at all behind “Sexton is the long term answer at pg” but from a transaction pov the Knicks should see if they can trade for a good piece with upside that a team might be hesitant to pay.

Yeah, making a move for him before the deadline does seem like the easier way to make a trade work if the price doesn't get too high. Forgot about the silly rules with S&Ts.

[WargamesX]

A) Cleveland could match an offer just so they don't lose him for nothing...according to their fans they've already offered him the Allen contract (5x100M) but Sexton only wanted a 3yr deal from them...and b) I'm not sure how feasible opening enough money would be.


So I took a look on the capulator; if we waive Taj's unguaranteed salary and renounce everything except for our FRP & Mitch's caphold, we'd be around 4-5M under the cap. So we'd need to dump -- without taking any money back -- Fournier, Rose...while also renouncing one of Mitch / our FRP...or two of Kemba / Burks / Noel, just to get around what Cleveland was supposedly willing to pay him.

Which is more doable than I thought, but still depends on what it would cost to open that space, who we could find buyers for, and what it would cost to get Cleveland not to match.

Fournier & Burks aren't exactly in the prime age range for teams with capspace, and I'm doubtful anyone will want to give us capspace for Kemba without getting paid for it...as implied by my idea lol. So Nerlens would probably be our best bet to dump for free as he's signed to a reasonable contract for a backup rim-protector and he's on the right side of 30...and if we could find someone to give us cap space for Noel, then paying OKC a pick to eat Kemba again would get us to 20M+ in capspace. At which point getting Cleveland not to match, would be the only hurdle left.

So it looks like if they'll agree not to match for less than IQ+pick...and Leon finds a team who'll give us cap space for Kemba, Nerlens, & a FRP...then that would be the more cost-efficient path. But if they want IQ not to match, we're better off just working with them from the start & keeping our exceptions, even if it costs us an extra pick.

This is the type of math that makes me think it would make more sense to try and trade for Sexton on a rookie contract. Keep in mind I am not at all behind “Sexton is the long term answer at pg” but from a transaction pov the Knicks should see if they can trade for a good piece with upside that a team might be hesitant to pay.

Yeah, making a move for him before the deadline does seem like the easier way to make a trade work if the price doesn't get too high. Forgot about the silly rules with S&Ts.

yeah for the Knicks it makes a lot more sense to add someone and then go into the luxury tax compared to trying to get someone ona S&T that will need to send salary back.

[Adelheid]

Knicks should start featuring their rookie contract guys much more if they want to trade them. No team would trade fair value for underutilized guys but Knicks FO doesnt seem to understand that

[cgf]

Knicks should start featuring their rookie contract guys much more if they want to trade them. No team would trade fair value for underutilized guys but Knicks FO doesnt seem to understand that

People over-state this. A guy like IQ's value isn't going to change substantially unless he starts starting, teams have seen enough to know what he can do...they don't just look up his stats. On the flipside, a kid like McBride or Sims, isn't going to improve his value by playing heavily because they're not ready for significant PT.

Grimes is the one guy this might apply to.

[dukeknicksirish]

Sexton for Kemba, Burks and Charlotte 1st

Clears up spot for Grimes to play ahead of Burks while clearing him off the books, Kemba is washed & the first is a first but like... it really will never be

[8516knicks]

Sexton for Kemba, Burks and Charlotte 1st

Clears up spot for Grimes to play ahead of Burks while clearing him off the books, Kemba is washed & the first is a first but like... it really will never be

That I'd do but Cleveland won't.