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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#281 » by KnicksNext » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:12 pm

Guano wrote:Really happy Green Arrow gets to talk his sht but I'm not buying into Cam until he shows out next year.

I've seen this sht too many times to buy into someone proving his worth in a contract year.


He's the next 100 million dollar man if he continues this. It's just so curious and suspect that it's his contract year. It happens all across the league.. these guys have the talent but don't live up to it, and then bam.. contract year they show out. And then, well, see Randle. We have to be very careful here if Cam does keep this up.
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#282 » by Iron Mantis » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:16 pm

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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#283 » by KnicksNext » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:17 pm

Are We Ther Yet wrote:.500 team. I expect at least one win in the next three games. Team tank going to hate this season. I am team tank too but, the dream is dead. We will compete some games and win. We will compete some games and lose. We will get blown out some games and lose. This just is what it is.

Look at Foolius mumbling in the post game interview because he wasn't a star tonight. No energy.

Really wish he was coming off the bench and getting paid that way because he would probably play better there. As a starter, no.


This win proves your point combined with the loss to OKC. None of our agenda groups are going to be happy with the end result.

We'll end up around .500 (or a little below), Have a sht draft slot and not be able to get anyone team tank wants, and we won't be good enough to win anything in the post season either, so team homer will be disappointed.

This is us, this is the Knicks. :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#284 » by KnicksNext » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:17 pm

IQ back to being a keeper again?
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#285 » by 3toheadmelo » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:21 pm

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F N 11 wrote:Please break out we need it lol

:lol: We down bad



I will take it. We need a high upside wing and he is has the highest upside of all our wings.

yea same. i was just joking about how our best young player is someone we didnt even draft and is super inconsistent :lol:
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Post#286 » by Deeeez Knicks » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:23 pm

blueNorange wrote:they really need to get rid of bum ass randle.

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Randle is even worse then Killian Hayes. :lol:

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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

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Post#288 » by Reign23 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:27 pm

what a game!!!
IQ and Brunson won us this one. they were great.
Cam good again !
Randle good when he has positon inside and on C&s threes. but if he takes more than two dribbles... ooooff

and RJ.. damn in the future this game shows another very ineffcient night.
but did he gave it all, despite being sick. couldn't make a layup, couldn't make a free throw, couldn't breathe... but fighted for 37 minutes and had a big hand in the win.
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Post#289 » by Chanel Bomber » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:28 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:They are both selfish in different ways.

Randle because he holds onto the ball.

RJ because he shoots it whenever he touches the ball. Yes, it's an exaggeration, sue me. But just to provide some evidence, among high-usage players (>24 usage rate and >30 minutes per game), RJ ranks 48 out of 54 in assists per game. Definition of a chucker.

They are both delusional about their abilities as well. The way they carry themselves doesn't match how good they are.

They are both try-hards.


True. RJ has to recognize that he currently is not nearly as effective a scorer as he thinks he is.

On too many drives, RJ looks like Charles Smith taking on the entire Jordan Bulls' defense - with similar results.

He lacks both the explosiveness and quickness to be the elite finisher he imagines himself to be. He desperately needs to develop a slick mid-range game if he wants to become a legit star in this league.

Yeah the issue is that he's one of the worst midrange scorers in the league, and he hasn't shown the shot creation talent to score from that area. He's starting from such a low baseline as a midrange scorer that I don't think it would be wise to focus his development on that. Although some improvement in any area helps. But it's still the worst shot in basketball, and he's dreadful at it.

I think the sooner he and the organization he plays for realize his best role is as a 3&D, the better. He needs to focus on getting his 3-ball more consistent. But even then he's a 28.6% 3-point shooter this year, 35.2% over his career, so he already has a lot of work to do in that area.

There just isn't much to like. He can get to the line, which in theory is great, but when you factor in the volume of drives that it takes, including the ones that end in fruitless possessions, it kind of puts a damper on that narrative.
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Post#290 » by god shammgod » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:28 pm

KnicksNext wrote:IQ back to being a keeper again?


i was a big iq guy but i kind of backed off because he just doesn't hit enough shots. it's confounding because he looks good, the shots look good mostly but they just don't go in enough. and they really haven't since year 1. they say he's in the gym all day and night, more than anyone, so it aint about practicing more. who knows.
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Post#291 » by Reign23 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:30 pm

and kudos to thibs for tweaking the rotation and leave Fournier out.
(37 minutes for a sick RJ is beyond nuts tho :lol: )
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#292 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:39 pm

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Are We Ther Yet wrote:Been saying it for two years!! Get Randle and Evan the fuq outta here! Both are trash and hurt the team. Randle walks around with no energy and it hurts the entire team when he is isn't shooting like Steph Curry. He's a losing player with a low IQ.

Randle slowed RJ and Obi development and Fournier slowing IQ, Grimes, and Cam development.


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Post#293 » by Reign23 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:42 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:Sorry to be really down on RJ. I've gone back and forth on him over first 3 years and had settled into basically pro RJ, lets give him some time, but after the contract and that this is 4th NBA season but he's basically the same player?

He's just not that good. He's ok. It's not a sin to be "ok".

In my opinion, he's more likely to play within the concept than Randle, who seems to freelance out of control, so MAYBE in that regard I'd support RJ starting over Randle, but the reality is, both of them starting is just a horrible fit and nothing would save that tandem. I don't think a star wing next to RJ and Randle would fix them.

One has to go. I'll try to not be too angry at either of them as the Knicks continue to suck because of their pairing until the day one is traded, but as long as they are 2/5ths the starting rotation, team is going nowhere.

Fournier vs Grimes vs Cam vs IQ not changing that equation. They just buff the RJ-Randle treadmill a bit.

dude RJ was sick for the past two games. get off the weed. the whole thread is a monolog from you about RJ :lol:
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#294 » by E-Balla » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:43 pm

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I don't think anyone in our FO or coaching staff thinks we have the star we need on this roster right now.

Me neither, but we do have the guys we'll need around that star when we get them if we don't panic and make a bad move. Literally the only thing I can fault them for is all of our lottery picks outside of RJ and RJ was legitimately just bad luck (which is what you're most likely to have when you're tanking as a team building strategy). With every other lottery pick we've had there's been an obvious star player available that ended up being a superstar or better than whoever we selected instead.


And all of them were **** point guards :evil:

I honestly don't know which pick is more egregious.

On one hand we have picking Knox (the 4th best prospect on his college team at best if I don't count PJ Washington) over Mikal Bridges (fresh off a national championship) and SGA (easily the best prospect on the same team Knox was on in college).

On the other hand we have picking Obi over Hali while having a future All NBA guy at PF and the worst starting PG in the league.

At least with Frank he played a position of need, even though I have always been against drafting guys that can't break a rotation in the euros in the lottery.
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Post#295 » by Spree2Houston » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:44 pm

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KnicksNext wrote:IQ back to being a keeper again?


i was a big iq guy but i kind of backed off because he just doesn't hit enough shots. it's confounding because he looks good, the shots look good mostly but they just don't go in enough. and they really haven't since year 1. they say he's in the gym all day and night, more than anyone, so it aint about practicing more. who knows.


I thought IQ was going to become a star after this game. Then he went Hollywood

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Post#296 » by stuporman » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:47 pm

Contract year Cam is going to get you all....just watch.
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Post#297 » by Capn'O » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:51 pm

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E-Balla wrote:Me neither, but we do have the guys we'll need around that star when we get them if we don't panic and make a bad move. Literally the only thing I can fault them for is all of our lottery picks outside of RJ and RJ was legitimately just bad luck (which is what you're most likely to have when you're tanking as a team building strategy). With every other lottery pick we've had there's been an obvious star player available that ended up being a superstar or better than whoever we selected instead.


And all of them were **** point guards :evil:

I honestly don't know which pick is more egregious.

On one hand we have picking Knox (the 4th best prospect on his college team at best if I don't count PJ Washington) over Mikal Bridges (fresh off a national championship) and SGA (easily the best prospect on the same team Knox was on in college).

On the other hand we have picking Obi over Hali while having a future All NBA guy at PF and the worst starting PG in the league.

At least with Frank he played a position of need, even though I have always been against drafting guys that can't break a rotation in the euros in the lottery.


All brutal.

I think of 2018 as the worst. Obi had an argument for BPA and is in fact a useful player. D Mitchell wasn't really considered that high by a number of teams though we definitely got the worst guy in Frank's range.

With 2018 there were so many better options, Knox was such a huge question mark, and PG was still a position of need. Then either Bridges, not knowing what we know now about Miles. Just a disaster.
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Post#298 » by Reign23 » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:52 pm

I **** on IQ a lot, but he won us the game. he was great! hope he gets going now.
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#299 » by Ghetto Gospel » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:52 pm

rj putting on that mask during the game was the equivalent of paul george putting on an ice pack on his shoulder for the postgame presser after a bad game. we all know what it is
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Re: PG: Knicks + Denny's Grand Slam The Jazz 

Post#300 » by Clyde_Style » Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:54 pm

god shammgod wrote:
KnicksNext wrote:IQ back to being a keeper again?


i was a big iq guy but i kind of backed off because he just doesn't hit enough shots. it's confounding because he looks good, the shots look good mostly but they just don't go in enough. and they really haven't since year 1. they say he's in the gym all day and night, more than anyone, so it aint about practicing more. who knows.


He was kind of great last night though. It is either a blip or he is finding his groove

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