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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Maul' The Grizzlies: Brunson/OG/Mitch Edition 

Post#281 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:05 pm

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It’s not a bigger role, you are still getting the same player who plays the same way and asking him to play his game. You aren’t making him into something he’s not or asking him to do something he doesn’t already do. So no those things don’t change. You are just assuming things but there’s nothing to suggest you would see a drop off in production just by making him a full time starter. Look what happened with Norman Powell.

I agree with you on OG, he certainly has limitations offensively but he plays a more physical style of basketball and is better against tougher opponents because unlike Mikal, OG can actually exploit some mismatches due to his strength and aggressiveness. He's bigger, stronger, doesn’t get pushed off his spot like Mikal, attacks strong and gets to the line. What I disagree with is you saying Mikal is more talented. He’s just not.

The offensive rating question is probably due to KAT playing with the bench. Brunson and KAT don’t really play as a duo and I rarely see them execute a 2 man game consistently. Brunson prefers to play iso so he will waive off a lot of screens to take his man 1 on 1. It’s when Brunson sits that KAT gets opportunities to do his own thing a little more so the staggering by Thibs has helped in keeping the bench afloat because overall our bench just hasn’t been good as a unit. But another thing you have to look at is who does the other team have on the floor when one guy sits and the other is in the game. Opponent matchups play a factor too.


If the Knicks brought in Hunter instead of Mikal i'm assuming he would be taking Mikal's place in the starting lineup. Thibs would play him almost 40 minutes just like the rest of the other wings. Playing 28 off the bench is a big difference from playing 38 as a starter.

In ATL Daniels was the point of attack defender. He took the toughest perimeter matchup most of the game. The other day when I watched the Cavs Okoro was guarding Morant and and Hunter was guarding Aldama off the bench.

Tomorrow the Knicks play the Warriors. Chasing around Steph Curry from jumpball and then possibly guarding Butler and a few other guys is a little different than just guarding Butler for shorter stints and some random bench guys. OG will probably guard Butler. Maybe Thibs decides to finally let Brunson or Hart take on a more difficult defensive matchup but if not guarding Steph is going to affect someone like Hunter's offense while also exposing some of his defensive limitations.

As you mentioned Brunson is a bit of a one man show. This is not playing next to Trae Young who is a much better facilitator. This is not coming off the bench and getting to be more of the focal point. This is not a high pace offense like Atlanta's or Cleveland's. There is going to be a lot of standing around and watching and a lot of difficult shots. Last night watching Miami, Alec Burks' shots for the Heat looked a lot easier than Alec Burks' shots for the Knicks last year. He has been far more efficient with the Heat just as he was in Detroit.

Maybe Hunter would have success as a difficult shot maker like Brunson, DDV or KAT or maybe he would struggle like many other guys in Thibs offense. There is no guarantee it would translate but I think it would be more difficult than his current situation. Being in a pretty stagnant and predictable offense surrounded by some pretty bad defenders is not a simple task.


Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.



I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Maul' The Grizzlies: Brunson/OG/Mitch Edition 

Post#282 » by HopelessKnick » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:32 pm

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If the Knicks brought in Hunter instead of Mikal i'm assuming he would be taking Mikal's place in the starting lineup. Thibs would play him almost 40 minutes just like the rest of the other wings. Playing 28 off the bench is a big difference from playing 38 as a starter.

In ATL Daniels was the point of attack defender. He took the toughest perimeter matchup most of the game. The other day when I watched the Cavs Okoro was guarding Morant and and Hunter was guarding Aldama off the bench.

Tomorrow the Knicks play the Warriors. Chasing around Steph Curry from jumpball and then possibly guarding Butler and a few other guys is a little different than just guarding Butler for shorter stints and some random bench guys. OG will probably guard Butler. Maybe Thibs decides to finally let Brunson or Hart take on a more difficult defensive matchup but if not guarding Steph is going to affect someone like Hunter's offense while also exposing some of his defensive limitations.

As you mentioned Brunson is a bit of a one man show. This is not playing next to Trae Young who is a much better facilitator. This is not coming off the bench and getting to be more of the focal point. This is not a high pace offense like Atlanta's or Cleveland's. There is going to be a lot of standing around and watching and a lot of difficult shots. Last night watching Miami, Alec Burks' shots for the Heat looked a lot easier than Alec Burks' shots for the Knicks last year. He has been far more efficient with the Heat just as he was in Detroit.

Maybe Hunter would have success as a difficult shot maker like Brunson, DDV or KAT or maybe he would struggle like many other guys in Thibs offense. There is no guarantee it would translate but I think it would be more difficult than his current situation. Being in a pretty stagnant and predictable offense surrounded by some pretty bad defenders is not a simple task.


Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.



I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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Nets Mikal was on a whole different level though---especially immediately after the trade. I like Mikal and really loved his game in Phoenix and Brooklyn and am rooting for him to succeed here but at this point he really does not resemble his previous version. I have no clue why that is and I hope he figures it out but comparing Brooklyn Mikal at this point is a bit questionable IMO.
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Maul' The Grizzlies: Brunson/OG/Mitch Edition 

Post#283 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:36 pm

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If the Knicks brought in Hunter instead of Mikal i'm assuming he would be taking Mikal's place in the starting lineup. Thibs would play him almost 40 minutes just like the rest of the other wings. Playing 28 off the bench is a big difference from playing 38 as a starter.

In ATL Daniels was the point of attack defender. He took the toughest perimeter matchup most of the game. The other day when I watched the Cavs Okoro was guarding Morant and and Hunter was guarding Aldama off the bench.

Tomorrow the Knicks play the Warriors. Chasing around Steph Curry from jumpball and then possibly guarding Butler and a few other guys is a little different than just guarding Butler for shorter stints and some random bench guys. OG will probably guard Butler. Maybe Thibs decides to finally let Brunson or Hart take on a more difficult defensive matchup but if not guarding Steph is going to affect someone like Hunter's offense while also exposing some of his defensive limitations.

As you mentioned Brunson is a bit of a one man show. This is not playing next to Trae Young who is a much better facilitator. This is not coming off the bench and getting to be more of the focal point. This is not a high pace offense like Atlanta's or Cleveland's. There is going to be a lot of standing around and watching and a lot of difficult shots. Last night watching Miami, Alec Burks' shots for the Heat looked a lot easier than Alec Burks' shots for the Knicks last year. He has been far more efficient with the Heat just as he was in Detroit.

Maybe Hunter would have success as a difficult shot maker like Brunson, DDV or KAT or maybe he would struggle like many other guys in Thibs offense. There is no guarantee it would translate but I think it would be more difficult than his current situation. Being in a pretty stagnant and predictable offense surrounded by some pretty bad defenders is not a simple task.


Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.


The "breakout season" is just some narrative from some Knicks' fans. Brunson was already breaking out before his arrival to the Knicks. We saw him carrying the Mavs in the postseason without Luka. He has more opportunities to shine here.

Randle had the worst efficiency of his career here but he put up some good counting stats and won some awards. This team was going nowhere in the postseason with him in his role. Minnesota probably would prefer him as a more efficient 3rd big/spot starter rather than whatever Thibs helped to nurture. iHart's number actually went down across the board except for rebounding from his time in LA and it took the entire roster getting traded or injured to truly show what he was capable of here. Some people thought he wouldn't even find a role in OKC. KAT has put up some monstrous offensive numbers throughout his career. DDV did maintain his efficiency from Golden State with the increased volume. Credit to him.

Thibs offensive system simply puts the ball in certain players hands more often for better or worse. There is nothing special about it. He has always been known as a defensive guy but I don't know what poor/average defenders came here and got better under Thibs outside of Randle for 1 year.

There have been players that have been bad here that would be bad in many situations like Reddish but there have also been guys that have performed better away from Thibs. Just last year people were having the same discussions about Grimes that we are having about Mikal. Grimes did not do enough in many minds and Bogey was an efficient 20 point scorer that could shoot and get a bucket. People didn't appreciate Grimes' role in the defense and how difficult it is to fit into Thibs' offense. Now Grimes looks better elsewhere and Bogey fell on his face here.

I'm not questioning Hunter's skillset. I'm questioning if it would translate here since it is a different situation than he has been in before. It's not just 38 minutes Mikal is playing. It's entire 2nd halves if the game is close. It's 40+ in b2b. It's not just guarding the big guards and forwards. It's guarding the quick guards too. I love OG's game but we watched how difficult it was for him to chase Maxey around screens with Embiid opening up the court for him in the postseason. Now imagine what it would have looked like with KAT behind him.

I actually think Hunter could fit better in place of Mikal if I knew Thibs would swap Deuce for Hart in the starting lineup to defend the quicker guards and space the floor better but Hart feels like his new Randle where he will play him no matter what. In the end I wouldn't do it because Hunter and KAT's knees, Mitch's ankles and OG's everything mixed with Thibs seems like a recipe for disaster.


We aren’t talking about rookies or players still waiting to establish themselves. We are talking about guys with years under their belt who have shown us what they can and can’t do on the court. You are trying too hard to make it about Thibs when it has nothing to do with the coach when we are evaluating players skill set and abilities on the court. You are funny because on one hand you don’t give credit to Thibs for guys breaking out and playing well, but you think his lack of system is holding guys backs. The truth is when you have a certain mindset and certain abilities then you will fit in just fine. Guys that can get buckets will have no problem getting buckets with Thibs as coach as proven on the past. Guys that can’t will struggle. It’s that simple

That’s not even just with Thibs, that’s pretty much the whole league
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Post#284 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:41 pm

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HEZI wrote:
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If the Knicks brought in Hunter instead of Mikal i'm assuming he would be taking Mikal's place in the starting lineup. Thibs would play him almost 40 minutes just like the rest of the other wings. Playing 28 off the bench is a big difference from playing 38 as a starter.

In ATL Daniels was the point of attack defender. He took the toughest perimeter matchup most of the game. The other day when I watched the Cavs Okoro was guarding Morant and and Hunter was guarding Aldama off the bench.

Tomorrow the Knicks play the Warriors. Chasing around Steph Curry from jumpball and then possibly guarding Butler and a few other guys is a little different than just guarding Butler for shorter stints and some random bench guys. OG will probably guard Butler. Maybe Thibs decides to finally let Brunson or Hart take on a more difficult defensive matchup but if not guarding Steph is going to affect someone like Hunter's offense while also exposing some of his defensive limitations.

As you mentioned Brunson is a bit of a one man show. This is not playing next to Trae Young who is a much better facilitator. This is not coming off the bench and getting to be more of the focal point. This is not a high pace offense like Atlanta's or Cleveland's. There is going to be a lot of standing around and watching and a lot of difficult shots. Last night watching Miami, Alec Burks' shots for the Heat looked a lot easier than Alec Burks' shots for the Knicks last year. He has been far more efficient with the Heat just as he was in Detroit.

Maybe Hunter would have success as a difficult shot maker like Brunson, DDV or KAT or maybe he would struggle like many other guys in Thibs offense. There is no guarantee it would translate but I think it would be more difficult than his current situation. Being in a pretty stagnant and predictable offense surrounded by some pretty bad defenders is not a simple task.


Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.



I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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That’s his “move” ? :lol:

Yeah thats trash
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Maul' The Grizzlies: Brunson/OG/Mitch Edition 

Post#286 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 8:55 pm

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Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.



I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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Nets Mikal was on a whole different level though---especially immediately after the trade. I like Mikal and really loved his game in Phoenix and Brooklyn and am rooting for him to succeed here but at this point he really does not resemble his previous version. I have no clue why that is and I hope he figures it out but comparing Brooklyn Mikal at this point is a bit questionable IMO.



How is it questionable? Aren’t we talking about capability here? Did he just lose all of that ability or something? Of course not.

The reason has been beaten to death here (Thibs and his system or lack there of), but a lot people have an agenda to deflect the blame away from the root of the problem.

It’s not rocket science. Just keeping asking yourself questions… how can Mikal go from being on a whole other level to this? What’s different about his time there and now? What opportunities is he being given here? Do they look the same as they did in BK? Etc.

It’s the coaches job to make sure he’s put in the best position to maximize his skills. Unfortunately this offense if you haven’t noticed, is virtually nonexistent. Many have said it since day 1. It’s trash and Mikal is the new guy and he’s not the type to just demand the ball and say get out of the way. BK had nobody so their coach was smart enough to give him the chance to showcase his skills. The following year wasn’t as successful because defenses were able to game plan for him knowing what he was capable of, and he’s not really a #1 option capable of handling that. He could be really good for us if Thibs knew what the hell he was doing tho.
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Post#287 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:03 pm

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Yeah guys really struggle in Thibs offense that’s why we keep seeing breakout players year after year. Not everybody fits, that doesn’t mean it’s the fault of the coach or the offense, maybe it’s just the player is limited.

You aren’t familiar with Hunter, he’s so much more skilled than Bridges and he doesn’t need to be set up for open looks like Bridges does.

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When have you ever seen Mikal jab step from above the break and knock down a shot with a defender in his face? He can shoot off the dribble plus he’s a better spot up shooter and that would fit our style way better than what Mikal can do or can’t do.

He's just so much more skilled and better than Bridges. On defense he is bigger and stronger and can guard the same guys that OG can so they would be interchangeable.



I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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That’s his “move” ? :lol:

Yeah thats trash



lol wtf, crossing over Jimmy Butler and taking him off the dribble for the And1 is trash? But a jab step pull up by Mr Robot is an award winner? Hunter doesn’t have any ability to put the ball on the floor and create

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Post#288 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:15 pm

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I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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That’s his “move” ? :lol:

Yeah thats trash



lol wtf, crossing over Jimmy Butler and taking him off the dribble for the And1 is trash? But a jab step pull up by Mr Robot is an award winner? Hunter doesn’t have any ability to put the ball on the floor and create

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This guy thinks Mikalikina doing some random flip shot while he’s falling on his ass is a go to move :rofl:

But of course a jab step 3 is not impressive, even though Mikal doesn’t have that in his bag. His shot mechanics don’t even allow him to be able to pull that shot off. How awkward would that even look if he tried, I don’t want to imagine because his shot already looks ugly as is

If Thibs is holding Mikal back from doing those stupid shots, then thank you Thibs
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Post#289 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:26 pm

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That’s his “move” ? :lol:

Yeah thats trash



lol wtf, crossing over Jimmy Butler and taking him off the dribble for the And1 is trash? But a jab step pull up by Mr Robot is an award winner? Hunter doesn’t have any ability to put the ball on the floor and create

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This guy thinks Mikalikina doing some random flip shot while he’s falling on his ass is a go to move :rofl:

But of course a jab step 3 is not impressive, even though Mikal doesn’t have that in his bag. His shot mechanics don’t even allow him to be able to pull that shot off.

If Thibs is holding Mikal back from doing those stupid shots, then thank you Thibs



Gotta give it to ya, your dedication to defending Thibs at all costs and blaming/attacking players and deflecting from reality instead, is impressive. Not sure why you love him so much, or why you’re willing to stoop low enough to not be taken seriously, but hey, it’s your life :lol:
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Post#290 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:40 pm

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lol wtf, crossing over Jimmy Butler and taking him off the dribble for the And1 is trash? But a jab step pull up by Mr Robot is an award winner? Hunter doesn’t have any ability to put the ball on the floor and create

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This guy thinks Mikalikina doing some random flip shot while he’s falling on his ass is a go to move :rofl:

But of course a jab step 3 is not impressive, even though Mikal doesn’t have that in his bag. His shot mechanics don’t even allow him to be able to pull that shot off.

If Thibs is holding Mikal back from doing those stupid shots, then thank you Thibs



Gotta give it to ya, your dedication to defending Thibs at all costs and blaming/attacking players and deflecting from reality instead, is impressive. Not sure why you love him so much, or why you’re willing to stoop low enough to not be taken seriously, but hey, it’s your life :lol:


Players abilities determine what a coach can and can’t do with the player and team. So it always starts with the player and what they can and can’t do on the court then you can focus on what the coach can do with them. I don’t need to be delusional about the players or display cult like behavior, I’ll just leave that up to your. For me its much easier to just call it like it is
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Re: PG: KNICKS 'Maul' The Grizzlies: Brunson/OG/Mitch Edition 

Post#291 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:41 pm

HEZI wrote:
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This guy thinks Mikalikina doing some random flip shot while he’s falling on his ass is a go to move :rofl:

But of course a jab step 3 is not impressive, even though Mikal doesn’t have that in his bag. His shot mechanics don’t even allow him to be able to pull that shot off.

If Thibs is holding Mikal back from doing those stupid shots, then thank you Thibs



Gotta give it to ya, your dedication to defending Thibs at all costs and blaming/attacking players and deflecting from reality instead, is impressive. Not sure why you love him so much, or why you’re willing to stoop low enough to not be taken seriously, but hey, it’s your life :lol:


Players abilities determine what a coach can and can’t do with the player and team. So it always starts with the player and what they can and can’t do on the court then you can focus on what the coach can do with them. I don’t need to be delusional about the players or display cult like behavior, I’ll just leave that up to your. For me its much easier to just call it like it is


I’ll leave you with this because you’re calling what you ain’t seeing…. You can watch Mikal make that shot and so much more (including crossing up Giannis 1 on 1 and hitting the middy in his face, or crossing up SGA and hitting a step back 3 in his face, etc) for the first time in your life here…

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Post#292 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:46 pm

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Gotta give it to ya, your dedication to defending Thibs at all costs and blaming/attacking players and deflecting from reality instead, is impressive. Not sure why you love him so much, or why you’re willing to stoop low enough to not be taken seriously, but hey, it’s your life :lol:


Players abilities determine what a coach can and can’t do with the player and team. So it always starts with the player and what they can and can’t do on the court then you can focus on what the coach can do with them. I don’t need to be delusional about the players or display cult like behavior, I’ll just leave that up to your. For me its much easier to just call it like it is


I’ll leave you with this because you’re calling what you ain’t seeing…. You can watch Mikal make that shot and so much more (including crossing up Giannis 1 on 1 and hitting the middy in his face, or crossing up SGA and hitting a step back 3 in his face, etc) for the first time in your life here…



I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:
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Post#293 » by HopelessKnick » Tue Mar 4, 2025 9:49 pm

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I honestly don’t know what to say after reading this. Hunter jab steps and shoots a 3 and that’s some all worldly skill? You’ve never seen Mikal do that or anything better? Have you ever seen what he’s capable of? If so, through what lenses are you watching him? Call me when Hunter can take Butler 1 on 1 from above the break to the paint and sauce him up for an And1… and drop 45 points

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Nets Mikal was on a whole different level though---especially immediately after the trade. I like Mikal and really loved his game in Phoenix and Brooklyn and am rooting for him to succeed here but at this point he really does not resemble his previous version. I have no clue why that is and I hope he figures it out but comparing Brooklyn Mikal at this point is a bit questionable IMO.



How is it questionable? Aren’t we talking about capability here? Did he just lose all of that ability or something? Of course not.

The reason has been beaten to death here (Thibs and his system or lack there of), but a lot people have an agenda to deflect the blame away from the root of the problem.

It’s not rocket science. Just keeping asking yourself questions… how can Mikal go from being on a whole other level to this? What’s different about his time there and now? What opportunities is he being given here? Do they look the same as they did in BK? Etc.

It’s the coaches job to make sure he’s put in the best position to maximize his skills. Unfortunately this offense if you haven’t noticed, is virtually nonexistent. Many have said it since day 1. It’s trash and Mikal is the new guy and he’s not the type to just demand the ball and say get out of the way. BK had nobody so their coach was smart enough to give him the chance to showcase his skills. The following year wasn’t as successful because defenses were able to game plan for him knowing what he was capable of, and he’s not really a #1 option capable of handling that. He could be really good for us if Thibs knew what the hell he was doing tho.


I hope you a right because a then a simple coaching change would fix Mikal and make the trade look better and raise our ceiling.

I do however believe that something mental may be going on with Mikal. Why? Due to the weirdness of his jumpshot....if you go back 3-4 years and look how much smoother his shot looked, it is baffling to see him shoot like this. On top of it his FT % has deteriorated as well. He is also shying away from any contact or any chance at getting to the FT line. He seems scared of shooting free throws. After the Brooklyn trade he was getting to the line 7 times a game, last season 4 times....this season he is down to 1 FT per game. If you look at his shooting form (3s and FTs) from his Phoenix days to today---it has really deteriorated big time. This process does not seem normal to me....he may be suffering from the dreaded yips....so I'm not sure, he may just have lost some of his previous capabilities.....(hoping I'm wrong)...
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Post#294 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:03 pm

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Players abilities determine what a coach can and can’t do with the player and team. So it always starts with the player and what they can and can’t do on the court then you can focus on what the coach can do with them. I don’t need to be delusional about the players or display cult like behavior, I’ll just leave that up to your. For me its much easier to just call it like it is


I’ll leave you with this because you’re calling what you ain’t seeing…. You can watch Mikal make that shot and so much more (including crossing up Giannis 1 on 1 and hitting the middy in his face, or crossing up SGA and hitting a step back 3 in his face, etc) for the first time in your life here…



I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:


Tell us all you haven’t watched Mikal without telling us you haven’t watched Mikal

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Oh shyt, Mikal FTW over Hunter :lol:

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Bet your ass you won’t see this in Hunter’s bag
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Post#295 » by HEZI » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:44 pm

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I’ll leave you with this because you’re calling what you ain’t seeing…. You can watch Mikal make that shot and so much more (including crossing up Giannis 1 on 1 and hitting the middy in his face, or crossing up SGA and hitting a step back 3 in his face, etc) for the first time in your life here…



I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:


Tell us all you haven’t watched Mikal without telling us you haven’t watched Mikal

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HEZI wrote:


Oh shyt, Mikal FTW over Hunter :lol:

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Bet your ass you won’t see this in Hunter’s bag


And just like I said, a bunch of random shots and no bag :lol: Looking like Alec Burks out there with all those terrible low percentage jumpers. Puke
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Post#296 » by spree8 » Tue Mar 4, 2025 10:48 pm

HEZI wrote:
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I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:


Tell us all you haven’t watched Mikal without telling us you haven’t watched Mikal

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HEZI wrote:


Oh shyt, Mikal FTW over Hunter :lol:

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Bet your ass you won’t see this in Hunter’s bag


And just like I said, a bunch of random shots and no bag :lol: Looking like Alec Burks out there with all those terrible low percentage jumpers. Puke


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Post#297 » by JayTWill » Wed Mar 5, 2025 12:18 am

HEZI wrote:I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:


I'm not here to claim any of these guys have a bag but you really are overselling that jab step :D
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Post#298 » by HEZI » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:42 am

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Tell us all you haven’t watched Mikal without telling us you haven’t watched Mikal

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Oh shyt, Mikal FTW over Hunter :lol:

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Bet your ass you won’t see this in Hunter’s bag


And just like I said, a bunch of random shots and no bag :lol: Looking like Alec Burks out there with all those terrible low percentage jumpers. Puke


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You are a Burks guy, it’s ok to admit it. Your boy Mikalikina lighting it up again tonight with his elite offensive bag :lol:
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Post#299 » by spree8 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:45 am

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HEZI wrote:I’m not watching your little mixtape, but I guarantee you there’s not one jab step or any elite go to move just a bunch of random shots and fadeaway. You enjoy that though and keep pretending :lol:


I'm not here to claim any of these guys have a bag but you really are overselling that jab step :D



4real. Cross over pull up vs Giannis? Don’t count. Fadeaway J? Don’t count. Attack, stop on a dime, behind the back dribble, step back 3 vs SGA? Don’t count. Cross over off the dribble pull up with an And1 vs JButler? Don’t count. Off the dribble pull up game winner vs Hunter? Don’t count. Only the jab step pull up :lol:
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Post#300 » by spree8 » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:46 am

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And just like I said, a bunch of random shots and no bag :lol: Looking like Alec Burks out there with all those terrible low percentage jumpers. Puke


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You are a Burks guy, it’s ok to admit it. Your boy Mikalikina lighting it up again tonight with his elite offensive bag :lol:


Burks? Never me. It’s your boy Thibs… dead last in the league for coach players wanna play for… wonder why

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