Preseason Game and PG Thread #4!!!!!!!!!!!-Knicks Vs Wizards 10/13/25 7:30Pm Est

[HEZI]

That's how bad they are...there are a couple of imaginary teams ahead of them.

Not imaginary but I’m sure they have factored in the couple international teams that have played against the NBA teams this preseason. One of them is that Chinese team that Oladipo is on. Don’t know the other teams

The Chinese teams are better than us

Apparently

[JayTWill]

Those guys didn’t even play yesterday but I’m sure they wouldn’t look as bad as Deuce against the Wizards of all teams. But Deuce is just looking the same as he did last year regular season and playoffs. Inconsistent and going through stretches of awful with a good game every once in a while but mostly ok, bad or awful. Rarely good

I don't know how they would have looked against a bad Wizards team but it's not like that Sixers team they faced was that great either. I would assume going against a bad Sixers team with KAT, Brunson, Mikal, OG, Mitch etc available is an easier matchup than going against Wizards surrounded by end of rotation guys, 3rd and 4th stringers. Singling out Deuce seems odd when most of the guys haven't looked great so far.

He doesn’t get an excuse when he’s been bad for over a year now. This isn’t isolating him based on a few preseason games this year. This is going back to all of last season including playoffs.

True, I would like to see him shoot better overall and hope he looks better this year individually but somehow he still had one of the higher net ratings on the team last year and the highest net rating of the regular rotational players in the postseason. Maybe it was just favorable matchups off the bench or maybe there is something about his presence on the court that makes the team better overall.

It's a team game at the end of the day. If his presence on the court makes things easier for the team overall I would like to see him on the court more whether he starts or comes off the bench.

[HEZI]

I don't know how they would have looked against a bad Wizards team but it's not like that Sixers team they faced was that great either. I would assume going against a bad Sixers team with KAT, Brunson, Mikal, OG, Mitch etc available is an easier matchup than going against Wizards surrounded by end of rotation guys, 3rd and 4th stringers. Singling out Deuce seems odd when most of the guys haven't looked great so far.

He doesn’t get an excuse when he’s been bad for over a year now. This isn’t isolating him based on a few preseason games this year. This is going back to all of last season including playoffs.

True, I would like to see him shoot better overall and hope he looks better this year individually but somehow he still had one of the higher net ratings on the team last year and the highest net rating of the regular rotational players in the postseason. Maybe it was just favorable matchups off the bench or maybe there is something about his presence on the court that makes the team better overall.

It's a team game at the end of the day. If his presence on the court makes things easier for the team overall I would like to see him on the court more whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Who had the highest net rating on the team last year?

It was Cam Payne

Meanwhile Jalen Brunson was 10th on the team in net rating. Can we stop this net rating nonsense please?

[spree8]

I don't know how they would have looked against a bad Wizards team but it's not like that Sixers team they faced was that great either. I would assume going against a bad Sixers team with KAT, Brunson, Mikal, OG, Mitch etc available is an easier matchup than going against Wizards surrounded by end of rotation guys, 3rd and 4th stringers. Singling out Deuce seems odd when most of the guys haven't looked great so far.

He doesn’t get an excuse when he’s been bad for over a year now. This isn’t isolating him based on a few preseason games this year. This is going back to all of last season including playoffs.

True, I would like to see him shoot better overall and hope he looks better this year individually but somehow he still had one of the higher net ratings on the team last year and the highest net rating of the regular rotational players in the postseason. Maybe it was just favorable matchups off the bench or maybe there is something about his presence on the court that makes the team better overall.

It's a team game at the end of the day. If his presence on the court makes things easier for the team overall I would like to see him on the court more whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Deuce was fine last year, he wasn’t “bad” at all. He was playing under a coach who he felt didn’t play a team style of ball tho, and he’s been very vocal about it.

Anyone knocking him, especially for a preseason game where they expect him to carry a bunch of scrubs, shouldn’t be taken seriously.

[BKlutch]

That's how bad they are...there are a couple of imaginary teams ahead of them.

Not imaginary but I’m sure they have factored in the couple international teams that have played against the NBA teams this preseason. One of them is that Chinese team that Oladipo is on. Don’t know the other teams

The Chinese teams are better than us

很好

Spoiler:

very good

[stuporman]

Not imaginary but I’m sure they have factored in the couple international teams that have played against the NBA teams this preseason. One of them is that Chinese team that Oladipo is on. Don’t know the other teams

The Chinese teams are better than us

很好

Spoiler:

very good

我们吸屁股

Spoiler:

we suck ass

[JayTWill]

He doesn’t get an excuse when he’s been bad for over a year now. This isn’t isolating him based on a few preseason games this year. This is going back to all of last season including playoffs.

True, I would like to see him shoot better overall and hope he looks better this year individually but somehow he still had one of the higher net ratings on the team last year and the highest net rating of the regular rotational players in the postseason. Maybe it was just favorable matchups off the bench or maybe there is something about his presence on the court that makes the team better overall.

It's a team game at the end of the day. If his presence on the court makes things easier for the team overall I would like to see him on the court more whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Who had the highest net rating on the team last year?

It was Cam Payne

Meanwhile Jalen Brunson was 10th on the team in net rating. Can we stop this net rating nonsense please?

Can we stop this individual stats nonsense especially in random preseason games? Do you think Deuce was just lucky to be a part of so many positive lineups?

Speaking of Brunson i'm very curious to see how he adjusts to possibly not dominating the ball as much and how his game will age through his late 20's into his 30's as a small scoring guard. I would never say Deuce is better than Brunson because of net rating but we can't ignore how much Brunson hurt the defense last year. If he starts to slip offensively as well it will be an issue that can't just be dismissed with individual stats.

[BKlutch]

The Chinese teams are better than us

很好

Spoiler:

very good

我们吸屁股

Spoiler:

we suck ass

This is the first time my Chinese wife has read a thread on this board and laughed.

[HEZI]

True, I would like to see him shoot better overall and hope he looks better this year individually but somehow he still had one of the higher net ratings on the team last year and the highest net rating of the regular rotational players in the postseason. Maybe it was just favorable matchups off the bench or maybe there is something about his presence on the court that makes the team better overall.

It's a team game at the end of the day. If his presence on the court makes things easier for the team overall I would like to see him on the court more whether he starts or comes off the bench.

Who had the highest net rating on the team last year?

It was Cam Payne

Meanwhile Jalen Brunson was 10th on the team in net rating. Can we stop this net rating nonsense please?

Can we stop this individual stats nonsense especially in random preseason games? Do you think Deuce was just lucky to be a part of so many positive lineups?

Speaking of Brunson i'm very curious to see how he adjusts to possibly not dominating the ball as much and how his game will age through his late 20's into his 30's as a small scoring guard. I would never say Deuce is better than Brunson because of net rating but we can't ignore how much Brunson hurt the defense last year. If he starts to slip offensively as well it will be an issue that can't just be dismissed with individual stats.

But again I brought up Cam Payne and him leading the team in net rating. So how much impact do you truly believe Cam Payne had? How much did Cam Paynes net rating affect Deuce and his net rating since they played a lot together? I truly don’t believe you think Cam Payne had that much of a positive impact so why should we really care that much about net rating? And if it provides that much significance then why is nobody upset that we lost our best net rating player Cam Payne?

[JayTWill]

Who had the highest net rating on the team last year?

It was Cam Payne

Meanwhile Jalen Brunson was 10th on the team in net rating. Can we stop this net rating nonsense please?

Can we stop this individual stats nonsense especially in random preseason games? Do you think Deuce was just lucky to be a part of so many positive lineups?

Speaking of Brunson i'm very curious to see how he adjusts to possibly not dominating the ball as much and how his game will age through his late 20's into his 30's as a small scoring guard. I would never say Deuce is better than Brunson because of net rating but we can't ignore how much Brunson hurt the defense last year. If he starts to slip offensively as well it will be an issue that can't just be dismissed with individual stats.

But again I brought up Cam Payne and him leading the team in net rating. So how much impact do you truly believe Cam Payne had? How much did Cam Paynes net rating affect Deuce and his net rating since they played a lot together? I truly don’t believe you think Cam Payne had that much of a positive impact so why should we really care that much about net rating? And if it provides that much significance then why is nobody upset that we lost our best net rating player Cam Payne?

Unlike Payne, Deuce's positive net rating carried over to the postseason against tougher competition so why wouldn't I want to see if it could carry over to this season instead of immediately dismissing it any chance I get?

[HEZI]

Can we stop this individual stats nonsense especially in random preseason games? Do you think Deuce was just lucky to be a part of so many positive lineups?

Speaking of Brunson i'm very curious to see how he adjusts to possibly not dominating the ball as much and how his game will age through his late 20's into his 30's as a small scoring guard. I would never say Deuce is better than Brunson because of net rating but we can't ignore how much Brunson hurt the defense last year. If he starts to slip offensively as well it will be an issue that can't just be dismissed with individual stats.

But again I brought up Cam Payne and him leading the team in net rating. So how much impact do you truly believe Cam Payne had? How much did Cam Paynes net rating affect Deuce and his net rating since they played a lot together? I truly don’t believe you think Cam Payne had that much of a positive impact so why should we really care that much about net rating? And if it provides that much significance then why is nobody upset that we lost our best net rating player Cam Payne?

Unlike Payne, Deuce's positive net rating carried over to the postseason against tougher competition so why wouldn't I want to see if it could carry over to this season instead of immediately dismissing it any chance I get?

Forget playoffs, we are talking about the stat itself. Throughout the year was Cam Payne that much of a difference maker when he was on the floor? You watched so you know the answer. So if it’s a bs regular season stat then it’s a bs playoffs stat

[stuporman]

很好

Spoiler:

very good

我们吸屁股

Spoiler:

we suck ass

This is the first time my Chinese wife has read a thread on this board and laughed.

So you have an in house proofreader! I just had to trust that the translator wasn't lying to me.

[JayTWill]

But again I brought up Cam Payne and him leading the team in net rating. So how much impact do you truly believe Cam Payne had? How much did Cam Paynes net rating affect Deuce and his net rating since they played a lot together? I truly don’t believe you think Cam Payne had that much of a positive impact so why should we really care that much about net rating? And if it provides that much significance then why is nobody upset that we lost our best net rating player Cam Payne?

Unlike Payne, Deuce's positive net rating carried over to the postseason against tougher competition so why wouldn't I want to see if it could carry over to this season instead of immediately dismissing it any chance I get?

Forget playoffs, we are talking about the stat itself. Throughout the year was Cam Payne that much of a difference maker when he was on the floor? You watched so you know the answer. So if it’s a bs regular season stat then it’s a bs playoffs stat

I didn't like the Payne signing but I do think the intensity that he played with was a huge upgrade over Brunson defensively at the PG position. I wouldn't credit Payne for all the success in his time on the court but simply playing with more pace at times and not being so porous on the perimeter was greatly beneficial to the team at times. He was an erratic shooter but he was a secure ballhandler that wasn't nearly as ball dominant as Brunson which allowed some of the other offensive talent on the team to shine more often.

He turned out to be much better in his limited role than I expected. I don't think he is a great player but he may have just been a great fit in that small role and that's all that I care about. If someone like Deuce ends up spacing the floor better while providing a little bit of ball handling and better perimeter defense even with inconsistent shooting if the team benefits overall then that is all that should matter. It may not be the best move for every matchup but I have no idea why someone would be so resistant to it.

[GettinitDone]

Can we keep Tosan, Garry, Brogdon? Release Shamet

I'm a little lost, how many guys remaining are supposed to take how many spots left

[3toheadmelo]

Kat and mikal used up all our resources, got our hc fired, and now were stuck with a used car salesman who wants to take the ball out of Brunsons hand.

We're doomed.

Team villain was unfortunately right about everything. We are fked.

[3toheadmelo]

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[Jalen Bluntson]

Can we keep Tosan, Garry, Brogdon? Release Shamet

I'm a little lost, how many guys remaining are supposed to take how many spots left

Tosan is on a 2way. Unless we move one of Kolek/Pac into cap space we can only sign one of Brogdon/Shamet/Matthews plus Diawara I believe.

Brogdon looked spent to me. Mathews is as one dimensional as they come. Shamet is probably the best one of those three.

I'm excited to see what Tosan can do. I see a solid player there.

[spree8]

Kat and mikal used up all our resources, got our hc fired, and now were stuck with a used car salesman who wants to take the ball out of Brunsons hand.

We're doomed.

Team villain was unfortunately right about everything. We are fked.

I’m keeping these receipts for the championship celebration

[Knick4Real]

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This should be our response to anyone calling about Deuce:

[HEZI]

Unlike Payne, Deuce's positive net rating carried over to the postseason against tougher competition so why wouldn't I want to see if it could carry over to this season instead of immediately dismissing it any chance I get?

Forget playoffs, we are talking about the stat itself. Throughout the year was Cam Payne that much of a difference maker when he was on the floor? You watched so you know the answer. So if it’s a bs regular season stat then it’s a bs playoffs stat

I didn't like the Payne signing but I do think the intensity that he played with was a huge upgrade over Brunson defensively at the PG position. I wouldn't credit Payne for all the success in his time on the court but simply playing with more pace at times and not being so porous on the perimeter was greatly beneficial to the team at times. He was an erratic shooter but he was a secure ballhandler that wasn't nearly as ball dominant as Brunson which allowed some of the other offensive talent on the team to shine more often.

He turned out to be much better in his limited role than I expected. I don't think he is a great player but he may have just been a great fit in that small role and that's all that I care about. If someone like Deuce ends up spacing the floor better while providing a little bit of ball handling and better perimeter defense even with inconsistent shooting if the team benefits overall then that is all that should matter. It may not be the best move for every matchup but I have no idea why someone would be so resistant to it.