Knicks-Related Trade "THOUGHTS" Thread

[Thugger HBC]

Melo's value to a team like the Bulls would be immense unless they want to get it done with Rose-Deng-Boozer

if Melo was a 2010 Free Agent they would have signed him, they wanted Joe Johnson and they signed Carlos Boozer who isn't close to Melo

you under value what he could do for them, they have yet to get over the hump because they cant score, you can hold a team to 90 but when you're only getting 80 you're not going to win

Rose cant do it himself

and how is he starting to break down, a partially torn labrum in April??? give it a rest try to under play his arsenal all you want because he might leave or he doesn't fit the "thugger-model" but he's perfect for Chicago and Thibs would ooze out the rest of that potential

How is a player who doesnt naturally defend or share the ball a perfect fit?

so you're going to say that even though you've watched him become a better team player and defender

Thugger I'm done with you, you hate Melo, you're proving it

I really dont, but I know his value, I blindly support no one.

[TheGarden]

Ask the Lakers.

And Denver, and Philly...they all did it.

they all got back talents they felt they could keep

Igoudala left due to the fit, Bynum never played in Philly and Dwight didn't wanna play with Kobe

overall you take 1 trade out of a ton but Melo dictates where he goes unless we take back scraps and he goes somewhere on a half year rental

What I did was answer your question, and I used the most recent blockbuster to show you have no clue what you're talking about.

The Lakers took a chance on Dwight...because he is that good.

All those other teams took chances too...Denver forked over a pick in a deep draft for an Iggy rental and Affalo.

Philly took risks as well in handing over Vucevic and Bynum never played at all...another rental.

Thats three rentals in one deal and they all gave up valuable assets.

but nobody was willing to risk giving up anything for melo....but yeah they do it at 30, but wouldnt at 26.

they weren't going to give up anything without him agreeing to an extension

he wanted New York and New York only so why would guys give something up

[RKL]

He doesnt have veto power at all, but he'd certainly opt and sign there.

how does he have no power

what team trades an asset without some kind of guarantee

Ask the Lakers.

Who still benefits regardless

[Thugger HBC]

they all got back talents they felt they could keep

Igoudala left due to the fit, Bynum never played in Philly and Dwight didn't wanna play with Kobe

overall you take 1 trade out of a ton but Melo dictates where he goes unless we take back scraps and he goes somewhere on a half year rental

What I did was answer your question, and I used the most recent blockbuster to show you have no clue what you're talking about.

The Lakers took a chance on Dwight...because he is that good.

All those other teams took chances too...Denver forked over a pick in a deep draft for an Iggy rental and Affalo.

Philly took risks as well in handing over Vucevic and Bynum never played at all...another rental.

Thats three rentals in one deal and they all gave up valuable assets.

but nobody was willing to risk giving up anything for melo....but yeah they do it at 30, but wouldnt at 26.

they weren't going to give up anything without him agreeing to an extension

he wanted New York and New York only so why would guys give something up

The lakers knew dwight didnt want them and they did hoping they could seell him.

All those teams took risks.

If Melo is really that good folks would have taken the risk....he wasnt worth the risk.

[TheGarden]

What I did was answer your question, and I used the most recent blockbuster to show you have no clue what you're talking about.

The Lakers took a chance on Dwight...because he is that good.

All those other teams took chances too...Denver forked over a pick in a deep draft for an Iggy rental and Affalo.

Philly took risks as well in handing over Vucevic and Bynum never played at all...another rental.

Thats three rentals in one deal and they all gave up valuable assets.

but nobody was willing to risk giving up anything for melo....but yeah they do it at 30, but wouldnt at 26.

they weren't going to give up anything without him agreeing to an extension

he wanted New York and New York only so why would guys give something up

The lakers knew dwight didnt want them and they did hoping they could seell him.

All those teams took risks.

If Melo is really that good folks would have taken the risk....he wasnt worth the risk.

different terms under the new CBA

players lose a year by signing an extension, they're not going to do that teams know this

pre-2010 players had to sign extensions for teams to make those deals(KG to Boston) now you just have to take that risk

just stop trying to undervalue his impact he could have on a lot of teams for some he's the missing piece

[RKL]

^Paying Dwight 20+ million for the next 4 years in TODAY's CBA <

How about now though..

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEyS6ib-1SE&feature=youtube_gdata[/youtube]

[Thugger HBC]

they weren't going to give up anything without him agreeing to an extension

he wanted New York and New York only so why would guys give something up

The lakers knew dwight didnt want them and they did hoping they could seell him.

All those teams took risks.

If Melo is really that good folks would have taken the risk....he wasnt worth the risk.

different terms under the new CBA

players lose a year by signing an extension, they're not going to do that teams know this

pre-2010 players had to sign extensions for teams to make those deals(KG to Boston) now you just have to take that risk

just stop trying to undervalue his impact he could have on a lot of teams for some he's the missing piece

KG signed a new deal after the Boston trade, he was under contract already for two years.

KG had a no trade clause that was his holdup, the same one he had to go to BK.

bad example.

[TheGarden]

The lakers knew dwight didnt want them and they did hoping they could seell him.

All those teams took risks.

If Melo is really that good folks would have taken the risk....he wasnt worth the risk.

different terms under the new CBA

players lose a year by signing an extension, they're not going to do that teams know this

pre-2010 players had to sign extensions for teams to make those deals(KG to Boston) now you just have to take that risk

just stop trying to undervalue his impact he could have on a lot of teams for some he's the missing piece

KG signed a new deal after the Boston trade, he was under contract already for two years.

KG had a no trade clause that was his holdup, the same one he had to go to BK.

bad example.

he was in the last year of his deal

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

you dont know ****

[Thugger HBC]

different terms under the new CBA

players lose a year by signing an extension, they're not going to do that teams know this

pre-2010 players had to sign extensions for teams to make those deals(KG to Boston) now you just have to take that risk

just stop trying to undervalue his impact he could have on a lot of teams for some he's the missing piece

KG signed a new deal after the Boston trade, he was under contract already for two years.

KG had a no trade clause that was his holdup, the same one he had to go to BK.

bad example.

he was in the last year of his deal

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

you dont know ****

nah he wasnt...his new deal kicked in two years AFTER he got there.

[TheGarden]

KG signed a new deal after the Boston trade, he was under contract already for two years.

KG had a no trade clause that was his holdup, the same one he had to go to BK.

bad example.

he was in the last year of his deal

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

you dont know ****

nah he wasnt...his new deal kicked in two years AFTER he got there.

Garnett effectively blocked the Celtics' first attempt at trading for him by making it clear, through agent Andy Miller, that he would opt out of the final year of his contract (worth $23 million) and leave the Celtics via free agency in the summer of 2008. Had the original trade gone through, Boston potentially would have been parting with blossoming Jefferson for a one-year Garnett rental.

he obviously had 2 years left but an opt out clause in the deal so Boston was risking him being there for 1 year, the 3 year extension locked him long term

[Nutty Nats Fan]

Melo isnt a Thibbs kind of player, all you have to do is watch the Bulls.

Just watch him coach, thats all you have to do.

What makes you think they need melo? I'd love to hear this.

Which team in the NBA wudnt want a superstar on there team...And why the hell wud NY want to trade there star player for bunch of overpaid role players.

I dont recall teams beating Denvers door down, and as far as the scenario goes ask the person who said it.

Teams weren't beating down Denver's door, because it wasn't a secret he wanted to be in NY. That's why the Nets were the only other team serious in trying to trade for him.

[Thugger HBC]

he was in the last year of his deal

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2954127

you dont know ****

nah he wasnt...his new deal kicked in two years AFTER he got there.

Garnett effectively blocked the Celtics' first attempt at trading for him by making it clear, through agent Andy Miller, that he would opt out of the final year of his contract (worth $23 million) and leave the Celtics via free agency in the summer of 2008. Had the original trade gone through, Boston potentially would have been parting with blossoming Jefferson for a one-year Garnett rental.

he obviously had 2 years left but an opt out clause in the deal so Boston was risking him being there for 1 year, the 3 year extension locked him long term

So whats your debate, you just said what i did....either way he had two years.

[TheGarden]

nah he wasnt...his new deal kicked in two years AFTER he got there.

Garnett effectively blocked the Celtics' first attempt at trading for him by making it clear, through agent Andy Miller, that he would opt out of the final year of his contract (worth $23 million) and leave the Celtics via free agency in the summer of 2008. Had the original trade gone through, Boston potentially would have been parting with blossoming Jefferson for a one-year Garnett rental.

he obviously had 2 years left but an opt out clause in the deal so Boston was risking him being there for 1 year, the 3 year extension locked him long term

So whats your debate, you just said what i did....either way he had two years.

no I didn't

he had 2 years left on the deal but he could opt out of the final year so the Celtics were only getting 1 guaranteed year from him unless he signed an extension

or did you not read the link

[Thugger HBC]

he obviously had 2 years left but an opt out clause in the deal so Boston was risking him being there for 1 year, the 3 year extension locked him long term

So whats your debate, you just said what i did....either way he had two years.

no I didn't

he had 2 years left on the deal but he could opt out of the final year so the Celtics were only getting 1 guaranteed year from him unless he signed an extension

or did you not read the link

You compared KG to Melo...thats where you are flat out wrong.

Melo had one total year left anyone trading for him would have been a rental for the remainder of the season as he could opt out after THAT SEASON.

KG did not fit that example.

Now do you understand?

[TheGarden]

So whats your debate, you just said what i did....either way he had two years.

no I didn't

he had 2 years left on the deal but he could opt out of the final year so the Celtics were only getting 1 guaranteed year from him unless he signed an extension

or did you not read the link

You compared KG to Melo...thats where you are flat out wrong.

Melo had one total year left anyone trading for him would have been a rental for the remainder of the season as he could opt out after THAT SEASON.

KG did not fit that example.

Now do you understand?

you know nothing

Melo had a player option just like KG did, same situation for both players and all teams involved

read the link

[SuperflyKnick]

I dont care what anyone says here... the fact of the matter is we have a star player in Carmelo Anthony who is Averging 25 pts, 10 rebs a gm.... I mean how many dam players in this league have those numbers being the 1st and last option on there team... He is playing with a crappy team, a coach who does nothing but make his life harder just to make sure he doesnt have to do real coaching, Carmelo has no real 2nd option, the teams youngest player is playing with no conifedence noeing he will be traded no matter if u drop 30 or 3... Jr Smith is given the green light no matter if he is shooting 3-21... I mean its just a bad place to be up and down. To make things worse the owner expects a championship from this team which is 3-9..... But the worst part is he is ok for now not making any moves to better the team because the Brk Niets are even worser then we are.... Dolan this is not a city fued dude... this is the NBA so suck it up and do the right thing for the team.. Get them a real Coach and GM who know waht there doing and not just wat u tell them... If your suchh a great fan of the knicks , why dont u put them in a position to suceed instead of making things difficult

[Knicks218]

I'm sick of this soft selfish team no heart no hustle no toughness, f@ck Melo, f@ck 3 Max guys in 2015 just give me 12 guys who play hard and are proud to play in NYC. tired of getting my hopes up and being let down with this team i'm about to be done with them like my Mets.

[WhyISO]

the fact of the matter is we have a star player in Carmelo Anthony who is Averging 25 pts, 10 rebs a gm....

No doubt he's an elite scorer but a true superstar plays both end of the floor and also makes their teammates better. Melo is not an elite defender and has a game that only makes himself look good.

[TheGarden]

the fact of the matter is we have a star player in Carmelo Anthony who is Averging 25 pts, 10 rebs a gm....

No doubt he's an elite scorer but a true superstar plays both end of the floor and also makes their teammates better. Melo is not an elite defender and has a game that only makes himself look good.

He's not an elite defender but his defense is good enough and much more consistent this year outside of a few lapses he's had

As far as making his teammates better he's creating shots for guys, its not his job to knock them down too.

You're only saying this because we're losing to be honest, its quite obvious

Melo is a True NBA Superstar anyone who says otherwise has an agenda

[kakaman]

Since my thread was locked and its been announced D Rose is out for the season, let me post it here:

The front office for the Bulls nearly rival the Knicks' in terms of incompetency. Realistically, they have two options:

1) Blow everything, trade Deng/Noah and amnesty Boozer. This leaves Butler and Rose, with a few picks they hopefully get from trading Deng/Noah. Assuming they can get late lottery picks, they end up building around D Rose earning super max money who already has surgeries on both knees. Chances of him being MVP D Rose are slim to none

2) Trade D Rose as well as Deng/Noah and get rid of Boozer. A 75% D Rose can probably bring Chicago into a 7/8 seed in the East every year, which is precisely not the position to be in. If they want a true rebuild ala Boston, they will need to get rid of Rose, who at this point has a career mirroring G Hill/Penny.

Now, probably a long shot since the Knicks have no picks, but surely a package of Amare/Shumpert as expirings would be enticing? D Rose as a #2 option would be lethal next to Melo and as I look around the league, what other team that has a similar package has a need for D Rose? You got Houston, but they already have a high usage guy in Harden. Looking along the East, most teams are already set at PG other than NY. Maybe Boston if they move D Rose to SG next to Rondo, but that doesn't make that much sense either.

Again, it's a bit of a long shot, but it may be something worth considering.