1/16 Orlando Postgame thread

ctorres · Post #301 » by **ctorres** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 pm

We're really grasping at straws if we're suggesting Balkman and Novak as starting shooting guards would solve our problems. I'm really surprised no one is considering Jeffries there knowing that D'Antoni has had him guard PG and SG to start games before in his career.

Post #302 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:He's prime Ron Artest compared to Novak

Stop it!

and novak is like a prime reggie miller to fields offensively then

He's really not. He's a spot up shooter. That's it. He's worse at every single aspect of the game other than shooting when compared to Landry.

Literally every single thing else a player can do on the floor besides shoot

CoolKids · Post #303 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 pm

br7knicks wrote:
ctorres wrote:
br7knicks wrote:balkman is apparently now shooting better. so why can't he do the things that the rest of the offense is told to do: stand there and just stay open?

now that being said, does walker do anything balkman can't on offense? the offense is everyone stand around the perimeter and watch melo shoot. balkman can do that.

ok, now that that's out of the way, why can't balkman/melo switch? can't melo play the 2? he hits 3's, can play off the ball. balkman playing the 2 can create match up problems for the defense.

my main point is just that, i don't think walker does anything balkman can't do, which is why i don't see why balkman can't be there on the floor with shump (or davis when he comes back), melo, amare and TC

If this is what you're looking for, then it's more realistic to put Jeffries in that type of lineup instead of Balkman.

Therefore, you could try something like this out...

PG: Iman Shumpert
SG: Jared Jeffries
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Amar'e Stoudemrie
C: Tyson Chandler

yeah, but balkman is showing improvement on offense. JJ still doesn''t know that he's allowed to touch the ball

he shouldnt be allowed to touch the ball

Post #304 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:06 pm

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:Everyone sh*ts on Fields' defense at shooting guard...wait 'til you see Novak guarding shooting guards.

at this point who cares...maybe his length would both some SG's i dont know....SG's go off for 20 pts all the time vs us...at least if novak would hit open 3's when the double melo and amare

You can't bother people with your length if you are standing nowhere near them.

jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

br7knicks · Post #305 » by **br7knicks** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:07 pm

ctorres wrote:We're really grasping at straws if we're suggesting Balkman and Novak as starting shooting guards would solve our problems. I'm really surprised no one is considering Jeffries there knowing that D'Antoni has had him guard PG and SG to start games before in his career.

oh no, i don't think he should be the starter. but instead of walker was my point

Post #306 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:07 pm

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
GONYK wrote:He's prime Ron Artest compared to Novak

Stop it!

and novak is like a prime reggie miller to fields offensively then

He's really not

He absolutely is if Fields is prime time Ron Artest defensively compared to Novak.

Post #307 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:07 pm

Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:Everyone sh*ts on Fields' defense at shooting guard...wait 'til you see Novak guarding shooting guards.

at this point who cares...maybe his length would both some SG's i dont know....SG's go off for 20 pts all the time vs us...at least if novak would hit open 3's when the double melo and amare

I doubt his wingspan is longer than Fields'...and if it is, then not by much. Novak has even less lateral quickness than Fields...and he's also slower. Stop with the defense bit you have going...

Let's score 6 more points so we can give up 10! YES!

reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...how much worse can it get?

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #308 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:07 pm

mpharris36 wrote:jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

With Novak guarding him, JJ would have had 30+ because SVG would have him running off screens all day. Seriously, this is getting sad.

Post #309 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:07 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

Are you really trying to make a case that Novak is a better defender than Fields?

Really?

CoolKids · Post #310 » by **CoolKids** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:08 pm

im pretty confident I could drop 20 in a game if novak was guarding me

Post #311 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm

GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

Are you really trying to make a case that Novak is a better defender than Fields?

Really?

He's been trying to say that at least Novak might offer the KNicks some options on offense.

Post #312 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:09 pm

Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

With Novak guarding him, JJ would have had 30+ because SVG would have him running off screens all day. Seriously, this is getting sad.

i watched the game today...fields was trying to chase him around and could do it....fight fire with fire...maybe play jeffries and let JJ have to guard melo.

all im saying is landry can not play the 2 and should not be playing 30 minutes at the 2

dk7th · Post #313 » by **dk7th** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:10 pm

GONYK wrote:
dk7th wrote:
the likelihood that it will never happen is just another symptom of a dysfunctional franchise.

It's also simple economics

how so? how is any gm or coach obliged to start players who are making max money? in a healthy franchise players are willing to do whatever necessary to help the team win.

without going over to your system thread i'll reiterate that a coach should do his best to find players that fulfill the roles within that system on the floor with no redundancies.

that said was there anything objectionable to the lineup i suggested, even as a hypothetical?

Post #314 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:10 pm

moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

Are you really trying to make a case that Novak is a better defender than Fields?

Really?

He's been trying to say that at least Novak might offer the KNicks some options on offense.

He'll offer the Knicks one option: Shooting

He will cost us in every other way imaginable on a basketball court.

Novak is a situational shooter. That's it. Nothing more.

Post #315 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:10 pm

moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:
jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

Are you really trying to make a case that Novak is a better defender than Fields?

Really?

He's been trying to say that at least Novak might offer the KNicks some options on offense.

im also simply stating that maybe play novak when the magic went to a zone....fields can't guard 2's anyway might as well have an offensive option at the 2 that can actually spread the floor if we are going with the dantoni spread offense ****.

Post #316 » by **GONYK** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:11 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
im also simply stating that maybe play novak when the magic went to a zone....fields can't guard 2's anyway might as well have an offensive option at the 2 that can actually spread the floor if we are going with the dantoni spread offense ****.

No you weren't. You were saying start him.

Nobody disagrees that he should have been in the game when the Magic went zone.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #317 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:11 pm

mpharris36 wrote:
Paco wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:jj reddick was 8-12 for 21 pts...didn't look like fields bothered him much all game

With Novak guarding him, JJ would have had 30+ because SVG would have him running off screens all day. Seriously, this is getting sad.

i watched the game today...fields was trying to chase him around and could do it....fight fire with fire...maybe play jeffries and let JJ have to guard melo.

all im saying is landry can not play the 2 and should not be playing 30 minutes at the 2

And SVG would have done it even more if JJ had Novak guarding him. The same thing would happen if Jeffries were to guard JJ -- he's a good help defender, he's not quick enough to do what you're expecting Novak to do (and sh*tting on Fields at the same time for trying). Also, JJ would be guarding Jeffries...not Melo. We have nobody who can play shooting guard...which is why we should try to get BOgans.

2010 · Post #318 » by **2010** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:12 pm

If we had an actual head coach I believe we match up pretty well with Orlando. I'd like to see them in a 7-game playoff series in round 1.

Post #319 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:12 pm

CoolKids wrote:im pretty confident I could drop 20 in a game if novak was guarding me

i pretty confident u could drop 20 with landry guarding you...as long as u have some lateral quickness and can come off screens ur golden! :lol:

Post #320 » by **moocow007** » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:13 pm

GONYK wrote:
moocow007 wrote:
GONYK wrote:Are you really trying to make a case that Novak is a better defender than Fields?

Really?

He's been trying to say that at least Novak might offer the KNicks some options on offense.

He'll offer the Knicks one option: Shooting

He will cost us in every other way imaginable on a basketball court.

Novak is a situational shooter. That's it. Nothing more.

What other ways??? What exactly is Fields doing out there that can't be missed if he's not out there??? Not defending? Not shooting? Not rebounding? Not rotating? Not doing anything useful?

I mean honestly, on the one hand you want to support D'Antoni and yet on the other hand you don't want the one guy on this team that can actually hit a 3 (you know, D'Antoni's favvy) to get serious minutes.