Around The NBA - [Part 1]: Updated Games PG. 58

[j4remi]

Lin went 1/10 for the game. Lin took himself out of the game after his shot was not falling. I don't see how you guys did not observe that.

He didn't just decide to defer after missing a few shots though...His 9 FGA's in the first half came mostly because he wasn't put in PG position to distribute for a lot of it, he was on the wing and taking ranged shots...his shot was off for damn sure and it may have rattled him but I think he was more rattled not having command of the offense. He had 1 assist as the starting PG, that wasn't because his shot wasn't falling or because he was deferring...He was deferring from jump by design imo, they played through Asik and used the wings for entry passes and pick and rolls. He was forced to kick to a side then swing away and out of the play. His lack of involvement wasn't lack of shooting but more of not having the ball in his hands to make decisions for himself. When he did get free rein he pressed, took some bad shots because he was eager to do something (maybe prove himself who knows)...and that pressing made his game worse off and his FG% even more abysmal.

[Thugger HBC]

Im not trying to bait but how do you blame Mchale for Lins shooting woes? Hes shooting like 20% so far this preseason. Even if the games dont mean much, thats still horrendous.

The observation isn't about his shooting, it's about Lin running the offense.

He wasn't able to do that today which is one side of the coin, personally i thought coach was testing the waters to see what he has.

After that interview he just sounds clueless.

[j4remi]

Im not trying to bait but how do you blame Mchale for Lins shooting woes? Hes shooting like 20% so far this preseason. Even if the games dont mean much, thats still horrendous.

Not blaming his whole preseason on Mchale, but his poor play today and decision making, I think was a direct of the role Mchale put him in.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Is this going to be a Jeremy Lin thread masquerading as "Around the NBA"? Let me know now so I won't bother clicking on it.

[j4remi]

Is this going to be a Jeremy Lin thread masquerading as "Around the NBA"? Let me know now so I won't bother clicking on it.

Considering Lin played today and had a highly uncharacteristic day, what'd you expect? The whole game was discussed though and some Warriors discussion snuck in there since they were the half time focus.

[AllanHoustonFan]

Is this going to be a Jeremy Lin thread masquerading as "Around the NBA"? Let me know now so I won't bother clicking on it.

Considering Lin played today and had a highly uncharacteristic day, what'd you expect? The whole game was discussed though and some Warriors discussion snuck in there since they were the half time focus.

Ha! We shall see *Melo's voice*

[red32]

Im not trying to bait but how do you blame Mchale for Lins shooting woes? Hes shooting like 20% so far this preseason. Even if the games dont mean much, thats still horrendous.

Have to agree on Lin's shooting.

I donno how good of a coach McHale is ( ), but he sure is funny though.

[SonOfMars]

Is this going to be a Jeremy Lin thread masquerading as "Around the NBA"? Let me know now so I won't bother clicking on it.

This is why I think we should have daily "Around The NBA" threads

Alot of this thread is going to be carried-over Lin debates, even on days when Lin doesnt even have a game

[21shumpshumpst]

OMG really? I feel like I am back in 2010 and everyone blaming the coach for Gallo's bad play.

This is Gallo all over again. Almost verbatim.

Gallo does bad = This is his true rookie season. It is the coaches fault for putting him on the wing.

Lin does bad = This is his true rookie season. It is the coaches fault for putting him on the wing.

WTF is this. Why are these two guys always exempt from criticism yet our Knick players it is never anyones fault but their own.

Oh Amare/Shump/Lin are injured and Tyson Chandler has the flu? Who care Melo should have beat the Heat all by himself.

Amare is injured and we don't have a true pg to set him up. Who cares it is Amare's fault and no one else's.

Lin has a bad game. God forbid it is because Lin is not that good. Oh no it is because of the coach. SMDH.

[NBA Fan 1234]

D'Antoni used Gallo as a spot up shooter...that is misusing him.

Lin was not used correctly this game either as he was not really relied upon to run the offense (again, played primarily off ball) -- it was like he was an afterthought.

Lin missed shots that he should have made, but McHale did not use him properly this game.

[21shumpshumpst]

D'Antoni used Gallo as a spot up shooter...that is misusing him.

Lin was not used correctly this game either as he was not really relied upon to run the offense (again, played primarily off ball) -- it was like he was an afterthought.

Lin missed shots that he should have made, but McHale did not use him properly this game.

That is such a cope out. A lot of players are not used properly in the NBA. Most coaches suck.

Dantoni didn't use Amare nor Melo properly all season. Did anyone say anything about it? No.

They whinned about Melo sucking and Amare sucking. They wanted Melo to be Lebron. They wanted Amare to excel with Tony freaking Douglas as his pg.

That is my point.

Those two (Lin and Gallo) always get a pass. For what? What have the proved in this league? Absolutely nothing.

It is NEVER their fault. I was told that Gallo would be an freaking all star with Karl. What happens? He plays the same as when he was here.

Lin has two bad games vs the two good teams he played against and already excuses are running rampart.

"its the coach. Westbrook would do that to anyone. He is still trying to get his legs under him. He is still injured."

Yet he has a good game against a scrub team with no Gordon or Brow and all of a sudden I don't hear anything about an injury or a coach that is not using him properly.

No it is "Omg we lost a stud pg. Omg this team sucks. FU Dolan FU Melo FU JR.".

The complete and utter double standard for a role player is truly sickening. A role player that is not even on our team and is used to bash our team.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Actually, people were complaining about D'Antoni misusing Melo. Oddly enough (and slightly OT), Melo ran the pick and roll very well (synergy backs that up, too). His problem was that D'Antoni asked him to run the offense every time down as a point forward -- this made him tentative and, as a result, he was unable to get into any kind of rhythm. And, of course, he was injured all year long.

The excuse for Amar'e was that he didn't have a point guard (until Lin). That and he came into camp overweight (not fan, but he put on weight in the offseason because he thought he'd be playing center) and was hurting from injuries.

Look at the way Denver is/was constructed. That team doesn't have an alpha male. They bought completely into the team concept and that is why they are so effective; anyone can step up on any given night. Gallo was used better with Karl than he was with D'Antoni -- Karl allowed him to create from the perimeter, run the pick and roll, and spot up.

Tonight, McHale did not use Lin the way he is supposed to be used.

I don't get what's wrong with anything that I have said or what anyone else has said IF it's true.

[21shumpshumpst]

Actually, people were complaining about D'Antoni misusing Melo. Oddly enough, Melo ran the pick and roll very well (synergy backs that up, too). His problem was that D'Antoni asked him to run the offense every time down as a point forward -- this made him tentative and, as a result, he was unable to get into any kind of rhythm.

The excuse for Amar'e was that he didn't have a point guard (until Lin). That and he came into camp overweight (not fan, but he put on weight in the offseason because he thought he'd be playing center) and was hurting from injuries.

Look at the way Denver is/was constructed. That team doesn't have an alpha male. They bought completely into the team concept and that is why they are so effective; anyone can step up on any given night. Gallo was used better with Karl than he was with D'Antoni -- Karl allowed him to create from the perimeter, run the pick and roll, and spot up.

Tonight, McHale did not use Lin the way he is supposed to be used.

I don't get what's wrong with anything that I have said or what anyone else has said IF it's true.

The point is everyone is still making excuses for Lin.

Look I am not just talking about this game.
The OKC game the excuse was "well anyone who think Westbrook wouldn't do that to anyone is dumb and lin is still getting back from injury".

Next game vs NO he has a good game. "we lost a stud pg. I hate melo and JR and dolan" Where is the mention of the injury? Nowhere to be found. Lets be consistent.

Next games vs SA he is awful again. "It is Mc Hale's fault. He is still coming back from injury"

Two bad games two excuses.

I tell everyone WITH STATS to back me up that he is bad vs good teams and good vs bad teams. The excuse train comes rolling down.

One guy even tells me that 14/7 with high Tos and 40% shooting which is what lin averaged after linsanity was VERY GOOD. I tell him those are Felon averages so why is he upset we lost Lin and has no comeback.

Point blank is any of Lin's bad play his fault? And if it is what percentage is his fault?

I won't even touch Gallo because again he is being held back somehow. I mean come on give me a break. The team needs an alpha dog and if he was one like everyone here claimed him to be in 2010 he would have been done already. Karl is not stupid enough to hold back an alpha dog.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I didn't see the OKC game, but if it's a legit "excuse" then it's ok. If it's people making stuff up just to save face, then, obviously, it's not.

I saw the stat line for Westbrook and yeah, it was impressive. Whether or not it is because he is still coming back from injury is up for debate. I do know, from personal experience, that lateral quickness is the last thing to come when working back from an ankle/knee injury.

Lin does get blamed when he plays poorly. He did last year, and it will continue moving forward. It is important, however, to note when it is NOT his fault and when he simply gets misused -- same goes for any player on any team.

As for Gallo, stop making crap up, dude. Nobody claimed him to be an alpha dog. Almost everyone thought he was nothing more than a very nice complimentary 2/3 piece. Get real.

If you don't like talking about Lin, ignore it. Try to steer the conversation in this thread elsewhere. If you can't, just don't post here and comment. It's that simple. Posts where you, and others, complain and bait add nothing to the topic at hand.

[21shumpshumpst]

I didn't see the OKC game, but if it's a legit "excuse" then it's ok. If it's people making stuff up just to save face, then, obviously, it's not.

I saw the stat line for Westbrook and yeah, it was impressive. Whether or not it is because he is still coming back from injury is up for debate. I do know, from personal experience, that lateral quickness is the last thing to come when working back from an ankle/knee injury.

Lin does get blamed when he plays poorly. He did last year, and it will continue moving forward.

As for Gallo, stop making crap up, dude. Nobody claimed him to be an alpha dog. Almost everyone thought he was nothing more than a very nice complimentary 2/3 piece. Get real.

If you don't like talking about Lin, ignore it. Try to steer the conversation in this thread elsewhere. If you can't, just don't post here and comment. It's that simple. Posts where you, and others, complain and bait add nothing to the topic at hand.

I am not baiting. But last time I checked this is a Knicks forum. And I am really getting tired of our players getting bashed day in and day out by the media and our own supposed fans when these two get a free pass by the same people who bash OUR PLAYERS.

I'd rather there be a ban on Lin talk. But I Know that is not going to happen.

You tell me not to touch this thread becuase I am baiting. But I tried turning the conversation to talk about Drummond a few times but nope nothing caught on. Lin talk all the time.

So if I want to talk about Drummond or Beal or any other impressive rookie am I suppose to make a new thread?

This is a Lin thread for the most part.

[NBA Fan 1234]

If you see posters bashing Knicks players, report it, and let the mods decide what action to take. It's that simple.

There obviously won't be a ban on Lin talk.

Go ahead and steer the conversation. If others want to partake in it, they will. This is an around the NBA thread -- meaning, it's about ALL NBA players/teams. It's up to the posters that post in it to decide which way the thread goes.

With that said, have at it. If you want to talk more about this, feel free to pm me or another mod.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Again, if anyone has an issue -- pm me or another mod. This is not going to be a discussion on what is OK to post and what is not.

[NYKat]

That is such a cope out. A lot of players are not used properly in the NBA. Most coaches suck.

Dantoni didn't use Amare nor Melo properly all season. Did anyone say anything about it? No.

They whinned about Melo sucking and Amare sucking. They wanted Melo to be Lebron. They wanted Amare to excel with Tony freaking Douglas as his pg.

That is my point.

Those two (Lin and Gallo) always get a pass. For what? What have the proved in this league? Absolutely nothing.

It is NEVER their fault. I was told that Gallo would be an freaking all star with Karl. What happens? He plays the same as when he was here.

Lin has two bad games vs the two good teams he played against and already excuses are running rampart.

"its the coach. Westbrook would do that to anyone. He is still trying to get his legs under him. He is still injured."

Yet he has a good game against a scrub team with no Gordon or Brow and all of a sudden I don't hear anything about an injury or a coach that is not using him properly.

No it is "Omg we lost a stud pg. Omg this team sucks. FU Dolan FU Melo FU JR.".

The complete and utter double standard for a role player is truly sickening. A role player that is not even on our team and is used to bash our team.

Whoever is to blame for Lins performance, shumpst is making a damn good point here about the double standard the fans have regarding Knicks players and ex fan favorites.

[NYK Mentality]

Jeremy Lin is an overrated basketball player. Very overrated.

Played a whopping 26 regular season games (dating back to his breakout game against the Nets). A whopping 26 games before sitting out the postseason due to an injury. My guess, is that Lin was scared/fearful of being exposed as a turnover machine against a tough Miami Heat defense. Sat out the playoffs, in order to sign a mega deal. He showed me no heart and even worse, doesen't seem like a team player.

26 games during the regular season (a little over a month and a half) and now he's being paid $5,000,000 this season, another $5,225,000 next season followed by a ridiculous $14,898,938 during the 2013/2014 season? That's a joke.

He never earned his contract. Only 26 regular season games, sat out the playoffs with an "injury" and now he's being paid $25,124,160 over the next 3 seasons? Too funny.

Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd combined, would only make $21,810,000 over the next 3 seasons. I'm sorry, but give me a proven (solid) NBA veteran in Raymond Felton who can run an offense along with a future HOF PG in Jason Kidd for a combined $21,810,000 over the next 3 years, when compared to paying an overrated player in Lin $25,124,160 over the next 3 years. Kidd won't be around for the next 3 seasons, but you get the point.

Now yes, this is the NBA all around thread, but Jeremy Lin (preseason or not) played awful tonight. 25 minutes. 1/10 from the field. 4 points. Only 1 assist and 2 turnovers. The more I think about it? As a die hard Knicks fan? The more I'm thankful Jeremy Lin isn't in our future plans. Not for $25,124,160 over the next 3 years. Not after only playing 26 regular season games before sitting out during the postseason against a heated Miami Heat rival.

I'd rather take that same $25 million and lock up players such as J.R Smith, Steve Novak and Iman Shumpert etc, etc. We have a GREAT Carmelo freakin' Anthony, who the hell is "Jeremy Lin"? Oh yea, that's right, a kid who played 26 regular season games before A.) Sitting out the postseason and B.) Getting an insane contract in which he never earned (on the basketball court).

[21shumpshumpst]

Jeremy Lin is an overrated basketball player. Very overrated.

Played a whopping 26 regular season games (dating back to his breakout game against the Nets). A whopping 26 games before sitting out the postseason due to an injury. My guess, is that Lin was scared/fearful of being exposed as a turnover machine against a tough Miami Heat defense. Sat out the playoffs, in order to sign a mega deal. He showed me no heart and even worse, doesen't seem like a team player.

26 games during the regular season (a little over a month and a half) and now he's being paid $5,000,000 this season, another $5,225,000 next season followed by a ridiculous $14,898,938 during the 2013/2014 season? That's a joke.

He never earned his contract. Only 26 regular season games, sat out the playoffs with an "injury" and now he's being paid $25,124,160 over the next 3 seasons? Too funny.

Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd combined, would only make $21,810,000 over the next 3 seasons. I'm sorry, but give me a proven (solid) NBA veteran in Raymond Felton who can run an offense along with a future HOF PG in Jason Kidd for a combined $21,810,000 over the next 3 years, when compared to paying an overrated player in Lin $25,124,160 over the next 3 years. Kidd won't be around for the next 3 seasons, but you get the point.

Now yes, this is the NBA all around thread, but Jeremy Lin (preseason or not) played awful tonight. 25 minutes. 1/10 from the field. 4 points. Only 1 assist and 2 turnovers. The more I think about it? As a die hard Knicks fan? The more I'm thankful Jeremy Lin isn't in our future plans. Not for $25,124,160 over the next 3 years. Not after only playing 26 regular season games before sitting out during the postseason against a heated Miami Heat rival.

I'd rather take that same $25 million and lock up players such as J.R Smith, Steve Novak and Iman Shumpert etc, etc. We have a GREAT Carmelo freakin' Anthony, who the hell is "Jeremy Lin"? Oh yea, that's right, a kid who played 26 regular season games before A.) Sitting out the postseason and B.) Getting an insane contract in which he never earned (on the basketball court).

I agree with most of your post. But the book on LIn has yet to be fully written. He might still turn out to be a very good player who knows.

That was not the reason for my posts. I was just getting fed up seeing double standards here.

If you are going to feverishly defend a player who is not a Knick I expect you to make the same excuses for our players. That is it, just plain and simple.