Bargnani?

[mrpoetryNmotion]

Wow... 20 page thread on Andrea Bargnani. Don't see that everyday.

Are you serious? We had like 100 pages on Solomon Jones

Really? Damn...

This board's falling off.

[nykballa2k4]

Do you have any sources for ANY of your thoughts there?

I honestly believe Billy King has called Grunnie already this summer and asked him about an Amare for Humphries and Wallace swap. I also guarantee you that Raptors would seriously consider offering a deal of Fields and Bargnani for Amare (if they didn't feel content eating $ by amnestying bargs).

You saying Amare is untradeable only means you believe he has the worst contract in the NBA and furthermore is the worst 19 million dollars/year spent by any team over the next 2 years.

Amare's contract will, of course, have high value in 1 year when he is an expiring contract.

does anyone have any sources for any thoughts at all?

you're making the same assumptions and guarantees. why is it you can and i can't?

if amare was tradeable he'd have been traded already.

and every player has value once they're expiring. keith van horn came out of retirement to sign a 1-yr $10 million dollar deal just to make the kidd trade work. he never played (obviously).

let me simplify this.

why would any team trade for a player whose gigantic max contract is uninsured? he has surgery now literally every year, sometimes twice a year. all the players you're naming can still play. amare's done. he'll be retiring after this contract's over. i bet he has knee surgery again this year too. AGAIN, like i said, he's the 20mil/yr greg oden right now. he'll give you a few games, then bam knee surgery, comes back, plays a few games, knee surgery again. and again, the contract is completely uninsured. no team outside of the lakers would even look in the direction of an uninsured player with a contract that big.

I am going to flip the script on you for a moment.

Why would I want to trade Amare for Fields, Bargnani and Amir Johnson.
I like Amare.
Amare plays well for 20 minutes a game, and the upside of having him for a playoff run is greater than having an overpaid role player ie Bass, Terry who can play like crap every day.

[HarthorneWingo]

Ujiri is already shopping him.

Should we trade Tyson for him + pick? They really wanna dump him so bad, any player they get in return would be deemed as upgrade. They may even add a first round pick if it means getting rid of him... if we give them Tyson, maybe even unprotected first round pick (next year)?

I look at this that Tyson was bad this year... he was bad at the things he was supposed to be good at (rebounding, blocking), and he remained bad at the things he was bad at (scoring).

At least Bargnani, in his worst shooting season, still put up 12.7ppg. It's one thing he does well. Tyson in comparison does not do any thing well. One of the last few games, Bargs put up 26pts (5-7 3PT). This kid can shoot. Maybe he needs a bonafide scorer like Melo alongside him instead of being the primary option?

Isiah Thomas, is that really you?

(There should be an emoticon for vomiting.)

[GettinitDone]

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

West would be guarding bargnani.

Well put him at C, put Melo at PF (he's better there than at SF)

Trade Tyson to clear cap for LeBron in 2014. Amare, he can train, eat, drink, sleep with Olajuwon everyday all summer, don't care, trade him or bench him.

Knicks 2014 ladies & gentlemen.

[SonOfMars]

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

West would be guarding bargnani.

Well put him at C, put Melo at PF (he's better there than at SF)

Trade Tyson to clear cap for LeBron in 2014. Amare, he can train, eat, drink, sleep with Olajuwon everyday all summer, don't care, trade him or bench him.

Knicks 2014 ladies & gentlemen.

Who's going to rebound the ball?

[Thugger HBC]

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

West would be guarding bargnani.

Well put him at C, put Melo at PF (he's better there than at SF)

Trade Tyson to clear cap for LeBron in 2014. Amare, he can train, eat, drink, sleep with Olajuwon everyday all summer, don't care, trade him or bench him.

Knicks 2014 ladies & gentlemen.

lol

[HarthorneWingo]

Putting Bargnani on floor forces him out of the paint to defend him and tralallaa the paint is free for us to go in.

West would be guarding bargnani.

Well put him at C, put Melo at PF (he's better there than at SF)

Trade Tyson to clear cap for LeBron in 2014. Amare, he can train, eat, drink, sleep with Olajuwon everyday all summer, don't care, trade him or bench him.

Knicks 2014 ladies & gentlemen.

Lebron already left you at the alter once before and you're really going to propose again? Lebron would laugh at you.

[Clyde2]

FutureKnicksGM has three very good options. I like them in the order presented.

[Never Wrong]

I am going to flip the script on you for a moment.

Why would I want to trade Amare for Fields, Bargnani and Amir Johnson.
I like Amare.
Amare plays well for 20 minutes a game, and the upside of having him for a playoff run is greater than having an overpaid role player ie Bass, Terry who can play like crap every day.

i wish you were an nba gm on any team but the knicks.

[iAdoreeKnicks]

i do like amir johnson though.

[GettinitDone]

West would be guarding bargnani.

Well put him at C, put Melo at PF (he's better there than at SF)

Trade Tyson to clear cap for LeBron in 2014. Amare, he can train, eat, drink, sleep with Olajuwon everyday all summer, don't care, trade him or bench him.

Knicks 2014 ladies & gentlemen.

Lebron already left you at the alter once before and you're really going to propose again? Lebron would laugh at you.

What's with you guys and rejections? He rejected us once, so what? He's the best player in the game, still is, so go propose again. His decision was not about turning us down, but rather it's about choosing the Heat and his friends. Who cares about our ego and hurt feelings? Get over ourselves. He didn't help us for 2010-2014, but if he can help us in 2014-2018, we better do it.

So what if we propose again and he turns us down again? Who are we to say "**** you cuz you said '**** you' to us first in 2010"? At this stage, he is more accomplished than the whole Knicks organization (owners, players, coaches) combined... we have to know our places. If he turns us down again, then we move on to other players, but at least we are there.

We just can't afford to put ego and hurt feelings ahead of the team.

If you are good with ladies, you know what I mean, so what if you get turned down? So what if you fail. But you should shake your head at yourself if you don't try.

[Context]

Wow... 20 page thread on Andrea Bargnani..

I couldnt believe I saw this either

[BeagleBoss]

When you're a team with little assets that's not quite there at a championship level, you got to take chances and risks. For all his shortcomings and weaknesses, Bargnani does have talent. If the price is right, we should take a chance.

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[spree2kawhi]

Chandler
Bargnani
Melo
Shumpert
Felton

I'd really want it, it would be perfect, but it's not happening.

[Thugger HBC]

After watching this years playoffs, you guys seriously want Bargnani as your power forward?

The team is not that desperate for a poor offensive player that dont defend or rebound.

Just use Cope in that role if thats the case.

[NYKnickerbocker]

Bargani is a scrub. He sucks and he can't stay healthy

Amare is a good player who can't stay healthy.

For the 50 games bargs is healthy, he will be a scrub who hurts the team

For the 50 games amare is healthy. He will b super efficient and help the team

I'd rather have stat

Don't trade a good injury prone player for a scrub injury prone player who won't wont even give any effort at anything

[spree2kawhi]

After watching this years playoffs, you guys seriously want Bargnani as your power forward?

The team is not that desperate for a poor offensive player that dont defend or rebound.

Just use Cope in that role if thats the case.

Yeah he's a perfect second option, a very good three point shooter who's an agile 7 footer. I don't think you always need the big name. Bargnani can really play.

Btw before Chandler landed on the Mavs the whole league was down on him too. He then was dubbed the difference maker for a championship team. Often it's just about the mix and Bargnani's value will never be lower. He's a much better fit than Copeland. You need Chandler next to him if you want to go deep in the playoffs though.

[Thugger HBC]

After watching this years playoffs, you guys seriously want Bargnani as your power forward?

The team is not that desperate for a poor offensive player that dont defend or rebound.

Just use Cope in that role if thats the case.

Yeah he's a perfect second option, a very good three point shooter who's an agile 7 footer. I don't think you always need the big name. Bargnani can really play.

Btw before Chandler landed on the Mavs the whole league was down on him too. He then was dubbed the difference maker for a championship team. Often it's just about the mix and Bargnani's value will never be lower. He's a much better fit than Copeland. You need Chandler next to him if you want to go deep in the playoffs though.

So your hope is turns back the clock and miraculously go back to 45% shooting and actually playing in games which he hasn't in the last two years?

Neve mind about the other side of the ball, I guess we didn't watch that in the playoffs at all.

BTW Chandler is awesome when he has a legit 4 next to him, one whom can shoot and rebound and some form of defense.

[spree2kawhi]

So your hope is turns back the clock and miraculously go back to 45% shooting and actually playing in games which he hasn't in the last two years?

Neve mind about the other side of the ball, I guess we didn't watch that in the playoffs at all.

No all I'm saying is that his game would be a very good fit and his defense is not worse than Amare's. Also not worse than Nowitzki's. Or Z-Bo's or Lee's. He can hold his own, he's seven foot, next to Chandler that alone will be enough. He shoots very well, has a great pump fake and agility going to the basket. He doesn't need to be relied on that much. I'm also not saying Amare should be traded for him or that there is any way of acquiring Bargnani.

When you build a team you look for what you need and Bargnani provides that. Length and shooting. He would be a very, very good fit. You cannot expect management to land Roy Hibbert or Lamarcus Aldridge obviously.

EDIT: and yeah I think he would shoot around 45% in next to Felton, Shumpert, Melo and Chandler. It is not happening though, I know that.

[Thugger HBC]

So your hope is turns back the clock and miraculously go back to 45% shooting and actually playing in games which he hasn't in the last two years?

Neve mind about the other side of the ball, I guess we didn't watch that in the playoffs at all.

No all I'm saying is that his game would be a very good fit and his defense is not worse than Amare's. Also not worse than Nowitzki's. He can hold his own, he's seven foot, next to Chandler that alone will be enough. He shoots very well, has a great pump fake and agility going to the basket. He doesn't need to be relied on that much. I'm also not saying Amare should be traded for him or that there is any way of acquiring Bargnani.

When you build a team you look for what you need and Bargnani provides that. Length and shooting. He would be a very, very good fit. You cannot expect management to land Roy Hibbert or Lamarcus Aldridge obviously.

EDIT: and yeah I think he would shoot around 45% in next to Felton, Shumpert, Melo and Chandler. It is not happening though, I know that.

it wont happen because grunwald like the rest of the other GM likely wont be that dumb at least that's my hope.

Bargnani has talent, so did Adam Morrison and Yi.

Bargnani's height is no advantage other than for him to get his shot off....his 7 feet means nothing to any other aspect to basketball.

I'm assuming he'd start so he's gonna be counted on, otherwise he's a 7 foot Novak out there if he isn't shooting.

He's not worth trading for, otherwise teams would have traded for him....he's been on the block for the last 2+ years.

I'd have no issue with the guy coming in after he clears waivers....which he will.