Time to be honest about Iman Shumpert

Post #301 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:29 pm

Its a toxic environment. Only a matter of time before Timmy gets corrupted too.

Boarder Patrol · Post #302 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:30 pm

Does everyone want honesty?

Shump is one of the worst rotational players in the NBA, and very possibly the worst starting shooting guard.

He literally forces teams to play 4 on 5 on offense and is only a good man to man defender.

FLCL · Post #303 » by **FLCL** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:43 pm

bornaknick1 wrote:He's a below average 2 guard and a decent rotation player at best. He has shown little to no improvement since his rookie year and has regressed as a shooter. His ball-handling is terrible and defensively has been as bad as everyone on this team. Going 0'fer on the stat sheet in 20 plus minutes of play is inexcusable for a NBA player, never mind a starter. Trade rumors don't create terrible play on that level.

Fact is he was overhyped by most Knick fans for a) having a cool haircut b) having a cool personality c) being athletic. He showed some flashes in his rookie year but its clear he won't show much more than that. Definitely not untradeable as one of our few viable assets.

well he regressed this season last year was much better as a shooter.
thats not true about his ball handling he does far more handling then other 3D guys on other teams
his defense is solid actually pretty good he goes too hard when he misses a shot so thats hurtfull
he rebounds well and pushes the ball and still one of the teams better playmakers for someone who doesn't get alot of chances outside of rebounding and pushing

trade rumors probably don't create bad play but it doesn't help

OAKLEYISMS · Post #304 » by **OAKLEYISMS** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:45 pm

he's isn't this bad. we've seen what he can be. he's just in a really, really bad funk. his confidence is shot. he needs to snap out of it for the sake of the team and for any hope in hell of making the playoffs.

plus, i cant keep him on my fantasy basketball roster for much longer ffs.

shokase · Post #305 » by **shokase** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:33 pm

time to be honest about iman shumpert?

the kid has the ball dribbling skills that are embarrassing for an NBA Guard.

nykfan42 · Post #306 » by **nykfan42** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:43 pm

I've said this and people that know what Iman Shumpert is know this. He is NOT this bad. I know it was the Pre-season but his jumper looks smooth and he was playing with confidence. Then the trade rumors began and Coach Woodson decided to say that the starting SG spot was up in the air between him and JR Spliff. He didn't really lose his starting job but he lost his confidence and honestly that is what his problem is right now. He is playing like garbage because of it.

I think Woody being gone will help (whenever that is) but he's in a serious funk that I don't think he can get out of. Shump has to hate that waste of a coach. I am actually open to trading him if we can get a 2014 draft pick in return. This season is hopeless and so is the future....

FKF · Post #307 » by **FKF** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:52 pm

GONYK wrote:
FKF wrote:I feel bad for Iman. This was supposed to be his breakout season and he's now officially the worse starting guard in the league.
I still believe he'd look better as a small forward though, our stupid staff has tried to use him as a point guard.
He's not worse purely than a guy like Kawhi Leonard, but you can just see the difference in developing players when you're Gregg Popovich and when you're Mike Woodson.

Shump will just do better elsewhere, no matter where. We are league bottom in leadership and player development.

When did our current staff use him as a PG?

Under Woodson, Shump has been a G/F.

And yes, I'm sure he could be developed better, but a coach's system has nothing to do with Shump being a poor ballhandler, finisher, and missing WIDE OPEN shots.

Was reported back this summer the Knicks wanted to look at Iman as a PG, they started him at pg in summer league before he left.

http://nypost.com/2013/07/18/shumpert-d ... ague-exit/

Shumps woes are all about confidence and role. Once he gets confidence and a role which suit him back, he'll make shots again. Nobody within the organization is showing him the outdoor light deep in that tunnel. They just keep digging his own grave by pointing out his young player mistakes.
Kid has played like 120 pro games in his young career and they act like he's a veteran who should know better. He's the one who needs to be be encouraged by vets, he's not going to teach vets the game (though we saw him try to coach defense to Melo) and needs the vets to teach him. Too bad our vets only look to care about themselves as individuals and let the team down. Hardaway plays with much more confidence than Shump but I suspect his father to keep an eye close on what's going on with his son. Tim senior is often on sidelines and shows a lot of support.
Good coaching leads to players developing. Tony Parker couldn't shoot when he entered the league, yet you wouldn't leave him open now. That's just good coaching on and off season. Popovich always gets the best out of Spurs players, sometimes even more, our staff looks amateur in developing. Hopefully for Shump, he'll get out of this mess soon, he's the young guy trying to make a living for himself here, all these vets Anthony, Bargnani, Smith, Chandler, Stoudemire, Martin, Felton, etc... they all got a big pay one day, some still do, Shump has yet to.

Post #308 » by **GONYK** » Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:59 pm

Woodson never actually used him as a PG though. They just tried to give him reps as one in a no pressure environment.

Either way, Shump being unable to handle the ball at this stage is more Shump's fault than the Knicks.

And I love Shump

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Fat Kat · Post #309 » by **Fat Kat** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:20 am

Any chance that the boy is p~ssywhipped? Didn't that girl break up with him? It's a possibility.

Boarder Patrol · Post #310 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:48 am

I'm going to be the first to ask this, may get flamed, but I'm starting to think it's where he's headed:

Is Shump an NBA level player? At this point he does nothing right in all honesty.

ozwizard8 · Post #311 » by **ozwizard8** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 12:57 am

i always thought he is overrated.
but in this topic he may be underrated.

this years knicks are on drugs.
when STAT plays we lose. when he plays we lose chemistry. woodson isnt a good coach at all and he's not good right now.

every player on our team looks like coming from space jam. they look like they lost their talents. some of them were legit trade assets and now it isnt.

*****

fire woodson.
somehow send STAT to a tanking team.
get hollins for coaching.

shumpert would be at least tony allen calibre player. and i have higher hopes for THJ. he'll improve.

Damas · Post #312 » by **Damas** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 1:55 am

He is literally fields 2.0 in terms of the hype off his rookie season and then falling off a cliff. He could literally be out of the league in a couple of years if he doesn't turn it around.

Fields is currently getting nearly 0 minutes in TOR right now and I can see this happening to Shump.

god shammgod · Post #313 » by **god shammgod** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:13 am

darkdrone wrote:He is literally fields 2.0 in terms of the hype off his rookie season and then falling off a cliff. He could literally be out of the league in a couple of years if he doesn't turn it around.

Fields is currently getting nearly 0 minutes in TOR right now and I can see this happening to Shump.

it is eerily similar

Clyde_Style · Post #314 » by **Clyde_Style** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:39 am

The New York Knicks, where overpaid older players come to hang out and rookies come to die.

Boarder Patrol · Post #315 » by **Boarder Patrol** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:46 am

god shammgod wrote:
darkdrone wrote:He is literally fields 2.0 in terms of the hype off his rookie season and then falling off a cliff. He could literally be out of the league in a couple of years if he doesn't turn it around.

Fields is currently getting nearly 0 minutes in TOR right now and I can see this happening to Shump.

it is eerily similar

I'd actually take this years Fields over Shump as a player (not considering contract).

We underestimate just how terrible Shumpert has become. It's the product of a screwed up organization, as well as him being more concerned with mix tapes and nicknames than his profession. He's costing himself a lot of money because honestly after his rookie deal is up, he's getting the vet. min at most.

Damas · Post #316 » by **Damas** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:53 am

Boarder Patrol wrote:
god shammgod wrote:
darkdrone wrote:He is literally fields 2.0 in terms of the hype off his rookie season and then falling off a cliff. He could literally be out of the league in a couple of years if he doesn't turn it around.

Fields is currently getting nearly 0 minutes in TOR right now and I can see this happening to Shump.

it is eerily similar

I'd actually take this years Fields over Shump as a player (not considering contract).

We underestimate just how terrible Shumpert has become. It's the product of a screwed up organization, as well as him being more concerned with mix tapes and nicknames than his profession. He's costing himself a lot of money because honestly after his rookie deal is up, he's getting the vet. min at most.

He has been bad but not vet min bad. He can still turn it around, if he has the right coaching staff and if J.R is off this team.

When we fire Woodson at the end of the season and we bring in a new coach, the upcoming season is the most important season in his career. He needs to be lights out or he will be getting the minimum from then on. His only draw is his defence but even that regressed.

Imagine if we traded Shump to TOR for the Lowry deal.....he will be chit chatting with Fields at the end of the bench musing about his time in NY. Him going to any team that hasn't have good SG will be end of him.......NY is literally the most ideal situation for him. He better shape up and seize this opportunity because it might not get any better than this.

Post #317 » by **Capn'O** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 2:55 am

No flattop no mojo.

boomann21 · Post #318 » by **boomann21** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:00 am

We should of made the move for Lowry while we had the chance. Now the Raptors are winning without Gay and Lowry just led them to beating the league's hottest team in OKC. Shumpert had us all fooled with his defense first attitude because the more I watch the games the more I see he's not very good at defense. It's either that or he's lost his passion.

I would like to blame the coaching staff, but this is a player who press conferences had me thinking he would be a future beast. I'm not as convinced as I was when he use to hate guys with low cut socks and would use that fact to try and destroy them on the court. We were bamboozled by his wordplay.

Damas · Post #319 » by **Damas** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:20 am

boomann21 wrote:We should of made the move for Lowry while we had the chance. Now the Raptors are winning without Gay and Lowry just led them to beating the league's hottest team in OKC. Shumpert had us all fooled with his defense first attitude because the more I watch the games the more I see he's not very good at defense. It's either that or he's lost his passion.

I would like to blame the coaching staff, but this is a player who press conferences had me thinking he would be a future beast. I'm not as convinced as I was when he use to hate guys with low cut socks and would use that fact to try and destroy them on the court. We were bamboozled by his wordplay.

Is the bamboozlement as bad Fields?

boomann21 · Post #320 » by **boomann21** » Mon Dec 23, 2013 3:48 am

darkdrone wrote:
boomann21 wrote:We should of made the move for Lowry while we had the chance. Now the Raptors are winning without Gay and Lowry just led them to beating the league's hottest team in OKC. Shumpert had us all fooled with his defense first attitude because the more I watch the games the more I see he's not very good at defense. It's either that or he's lost his passion.

I would like to blame the coaching staff, but this is a player who press conferences had me thinking he would be a future beast. I'm not as convinced as I was when he use to hate guys with low cut socks and would use that fact to try and destroy them on the court. We were bamboozled by his wordplay.

Is the bamboozlement as bad Fields?

I'm not certain what the question is stating, but I will try to answer. I think Fields decline is more easy to accept because he was and is just a unassuming nerd who was good at basketball. I don't think basketball was ever his real passion and once he made the league and got his big contract then he would become a fat rat with all his cheese.

Shump on the other hand went through a series of interviews where I started to actually believe that one day he would be picking opposing players apart one by one. When Jeremy Lin, Novak, and Iman were on that talk show and during every interview even the one he did this year with the gold grill, I secretly thought he would eventually turn it on and break out. Just the way he carried himself gave me hope that we got a real steal with the Shumpert pick. All those good feelings were squashed after his 0-0-0-0 stat line. Now I just think he needs to go to a team and start over if that is possible.