PG: FJU Needs To Be Shut Down

[thebuzzardman]

We still on track to win 35 games right? If so, we all good


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wow! double the wins from last year. Ignoring the fact the Knicks spent over 32 million per year for a couple years to revamp the roster.

[Juco24]

Some may have had too high of expectations. This loss while disheartening was not unexpected. We are not yet a good team. But I think we're on the right path and after last season - I don't know what more one could hope for.

BTW, I really think KP needs some rest. He looks tired, imo.

[dakomish23]

Honestly, what is happening is that the Knicks overall talent isn't that great, so they needed Melo to be at 100% health and KP to not hit a rookie wall.

Instead, Melo got tripped by a referee, thereby turning him back into Knicks first 15 games Melo and with that, there went the Knicks slim playoff chances.
KP hitting the rookie wall while simultaneously catching a case of Chandleritis (the germs must still be in the vents of the MSG home locker room) makes it that much more definite the playoffs are done.

Season is over. Melo is playing through pain again and the team isn't talented enough to make up Melo at 80%.

There's 31 games left. The season isn't close to being over. Sky is not always falling. We hit a rough patch. Another 4 game win streak and we're back in the mix.

but you're right that this team can't afford for the key players to have mediocre output night in night out even if Dad Melo is out there.

I just don't see how PJax can assume we'll get our answer at PG or upgrades elsewhere in FA. We are battling the rest of the NBA this summer. It's time to strongly consider who is and who is not expendable and solidify pieces you want to keep for the future. I think the only two locks are Melo & KP. Maybe RoLo because he's on a decent deal through his prime compared to what bigs will get paid this summer. MaybeGallo on a relatively cheap deal because of his low cap hold. After that, no one should be off limits.

[Fat Kat]

Jerian with zeros across the board in 7 minutes, besides 1 foul. A team worst -17 in those minutes.

Come on he barely played and I don't think play with any of the starters--his unit was horrible, DWill was bricking threes and him and Seraphin were getting toasted in the paint. And Lance has been basically nonexistent. But Fish isolates him as the problem and takes him out. Kid has no chance the way he's being used.

We can only blame the system for so much. Grant looks terrible in all facets man. He was a main reason that unit wasn't getting any good looks. Just wasn't doing anything. We can't keep throwing him out there for him to give us nothing, no matter who's fault it is. Something needs to change in how we're dealing with him. Either scrap the system to fit a backup rookie PG's strengths (won't happen) or find guards who can actually run the system. Grant is caught in no-mans land now.

Grant needs to play in Weschester and we need to call up one of the guards. Give Grant 20 days down there to see what he can learn.

[Triple C]

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He said it again lol

[Buttah304]

Let me start off by saying witnessing Derek Fisher live is a whole other level of embarrassment. Its one thing to watch him on TV when you can barely see the bench, but it's a whole other phenomenon when you have to suffer the agony of his laziness at MSG. This is the 6th year in a row I've had season tickets (back when posters on this board were called Abe & Paco), and seeing him refuse to get off the bench is sickening. This isn't Pop. This isn't Carlisle. This isn't even Spo. This is a 2nd year coach coming off the worst year in the history of our franchise and game in and game out his legs stay glued to the bench. He routinely gets up at the oddest times (after a Knick player shoots his first free throw) or when he's calling Sasha's name (go figure). It's bad enough to deal with a coach whose horrendous at play calling, and even worse to see one who truly thinks we have a 10-11 man rotation. But seeing Brad Stevens pacing up and down the court, calling out plays, pointing out screens, and actually trying to be strategic had me so disappointed in what we have to deal with in Fisher. This isn't the growing pains anymore. We're not figuring things out. We simply have a coach who isn't yet ready. I know our issues are heavily predicated in our lack of guards and overall play making ability. But when you have a coach like Fisher, who refuses to have the pulse of his team it's down right sad. From where I was sitting I saw a guy whose collecting his fat pay check wearing a sharp brown suit. Dont get this twisted. Fisher is nothing more then a made guy without an actual brain. Worst part is hell most likely never been on the hot seat as he actually should be.

This stuff is actually visible from TV, but I can imagine it's magnified while seeing it live. Fisher is really the worst coach I have ever seen, and it's not even close.

Sark, what blows my mind even more is that it 100% feels as though Fisher is attempting to take a page out of Phils book. Anyone who saw Phil is his Laker days know 2 things about him as it relates to the sideline. #1) He rarely, if ever got up off his huge throne on the bench and #2) he was KNOWN for letting his bench get extra minutes together to try and fight back in games. And the truth is his bench would literally claw its way back on numerous because he had so much trust in them. Fisher is attempting to do the same thing but he's getting backward results. He continues to trot out bench rotations that make no sense. A pair of forward who don't usually compliment each other. Lineups with no clear indication of how the team is going to score. And I'll say it again but having been to nearly 12 home games this year (and witnessing it all last season with Derek) it's the same song and dance. But this isn't Phil on the sidelines coaching. This is Fisher. A guy whose best attributes might be getting Melo to play more unselfish, and believing in Lance. But other then that, I'm afraid the true X's and O's will just never be a part of his DNA as a coach.

[Knicksfan1992]

KP is tired but he could never get into a rhythm cause he doesn't touch the ball like 5 mins at a time

Stop making excuses for certain guys and not for others. Melo and KP sucked tonight period. KP has for a while now.

I mentioned one guy in that post, what other guys are you talking about

It was more of a general statement but, I meant KP.

[mpharris36]

That 3-team trade is plausible, but I question how desperate they are to move Blake

CP3 isn't getting any younger and probably has a lot of say in the organization. If he feels Melo is the player they need for the half court to put them over the top I think Doc would do it.

Teams get desperate all the time. No one thought the Mets could get 2 top prospects for RA Dickey. But they waited for one desperate team that wanted to compete that needed a front line pitcher to put them over the top and paid to price.

The thing is we aren't desperate to trade Melo because of all the points you suggested (he helps the development of KP and other players with his abilities).

The only thing is that if a deal comes along that would benefit both parties especially the knicks to really start putting young pieces to surround KP's career.

While Melo is still the best player on the team. KP is now the piece that we need to make our future moves most in consideration for because he is 20 and we have a real chance to build around him.

[Knicksfan1992]

Aa, Gallo, Grant, Williams, Seraphin, Sasha( good try), lance, O Quinn.

Let's be serious ...


Bums no if ands or buts. No one else hardly pick us up.


They don't care, I don't.

I said I was never a fan of Galloway and I don't think hes good and I got torn apart by the board. Hope people are coming around.

Anyone who may have gotten butthurt during the GS game, I forgive you. I don't hold long term grudges.

he had 1 bad game. No excuses he played bad but, so did Melo and KP. We also got off to a fast start with him in the line up. the bench fuqed this up. Starters generally played even

[F N 11]

What kind of message are you sending to your team by not being disappointed if they miss the playoffs. That's setting a low standard for someone with so many chips and who is supposedly trying to start a winning culture.

Fire his @$$

Secondly, hardly anyone steps in and has a big game. That is a clear sign that no one is going to breakout and become a surprise borer line allstar type. We just have to accept that this roster is terrible.

I also see a lot of bashing on KP. How about you try scoring 10 in the first quarter then not seeing the ball in the flow for the next 3 quarters. Fisher is a dumb coach and we have no point guard.

[mpharris36]

I understand your position but I don't agree. Boston is 4-8 and will play in the playoffs in a flat conference with a vulnerable top seed.

They aren't a championship team no matter how you slice it and they definitely aren't in the right market.

While I agree boston doesn't make much sense because its not a team on the verge of a championship. They would probably be looking for a young star to go along with there roster which is why the 3 team trade makes some sense.

The two questions I would ask you are we a "championship" level team over the next 2 or 3 years? Because if thats a not the case you have to at least start consider listening.

There are always teams desperate to compete that think they are one piece away. That alone makes the knicks is a position of power.

[moocow007]

We desperately need Calderon back.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/youtube]

[prophet_of_rage]

It's worse but it is building in a better direction. Long term. This idea that the team would be better immediately was hoodwinking. The playoffs this year was self delusion. The reality is we had to bottom out and build properly.mmthis is part of the crater.


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[Dr. Detfink]

Derek Fisher was right.

No one should be disappointed if the Knicks, coming off their WORST season in the history of the franchise, fail to make the playoffs (again) despite $32M off season spending spree. The free agents that the Knicks signed were NOT their first choice, nor were they the kind of players that the front office expected to attract with Carmelo Anthony re-signed.

Before anyone starts complaining about the Knicks' record imagine if they drafted D'Angelo Russell (coming off the bench), Justice Winslow (replaced by Deng, avg 5.9 ppg), Frank Tankin' Williams, Mudiay (turnover rate very close to Linsanity)? They would be right where the Minnesota Timberwolves are. Porzingis IS a steal. THAT is the franchise guy who will attract Euro ballers as free agents.

Speaking of the team roster who was the worst in franchise history, Plankton Galloway isn't the problem. He's very good for what he does. Believe it or not, he's conducive to the Iso-ball that Melo preferred throughout his career. Problem is, the ball doesn't move very well. Clyde Frazier didn't stop screaming during the Warriors-Knicks game about how the ball movement just stagnated. The player who suffered the most during this 1-3 stretch without Calderon was Porzingis.

Is Calderon the better point guard? No. He's the better fit with the starters...for now.

[prophet_of_rage]

All i want to know is wtf is phil jackson?? Dude needs to say something, because sh*** bout to hit the fan pretty soon.

What is there to say? The team is improved from last year. There are no more scapegoat players like Amar'e and JR Smith to take potshots at for popularity. This is 100 per cent his team. He can't say a damn thing.


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[H20FAN]

what does fju stand for?

[moocow007]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNNewYork/status/694777541337284609[/tweet]

He said it again lol

Another foot in mouth moment for ol' Fish.

Maybe the Knicks should have give Fisher a ear bud that hooks up to a PR guy in the back?

[F N 11]

"We don't run plays" when asked should we get KP more involved down he stretch.

"No I won't be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs"

"You're talking about the good things but no one talks about the bad things he does" when asked about KP after he played a great game.


Oh we have a great coach folks

[F N 11]

Something has to be done/said. We haven't done anything since maybe the last time we beat the Celtics. After that was mediocre wins against bad teams.

Don't be blinded. We should of lost to Philly and The Jazz. We got lucky. I think his is a reflection of he coach.

[F N 11]

Some may have had too high of expectations. This loss while disheartening was not unexpected. We are not yet a good team. But I think we're on the right path and after last season - I don't know what more one could hope for.

BTW, I really think KP needs some rest. He looks tired, imo.

2 days without a game is coming up. As much as I hate Calderon I hope he is back. Grant is THAT BAD