(Dallas) PG Thread: It's Official. F*ck Joakim.

[BowlRips]

Everyone bugging out this morning to the tune of "Why did we sign Noah, KP at the 5 is the answer"
To that I have a bunch of answers as to why Noah is still necessary.

Obviously there are some nights where playing 2 big man makes no snese (like last night) but half the league is starting 2 big men, and KP is not ready for the Dwight Howards, Al Horfords, Andre Drummonds, Tristan Thompsons that are patroling the paint for teams in the EC.
He will be extremely useful in those matchups.

Secondly, if it becomes clear that Melo can no longer play the 3 full-time, adjustments can be made in the rotation to have him at the 4 most of the game. Realistically, Noah is only logging 24 minutes a night, and Porzingis is at about 32-34 mins. Stagger the lineups so that Noah and KP are only on the court for 10 minutes together each game. It could be the first 5 mins of each half. Then sub one out and replace them with the other for the start of the 2nd/4th quarter.
It's not tough to figure out.

What issue it causes is minutes for O'Quinn and Hernangomez. This team could use a 3/4, that could play next to Melo consistantly- we thought it was Lance but maybe not. I'd look to move O'Quinn for one of those

[F N 11]

Noah owned Drummond last game. We are going to need Noah more than ever if anything in this one. May see KP get subbed out early due to getting owned if Drummond is in and see a lineup of

Rose
Lee
Holiday
Melo
Noah

Hopefully Morris doesnt own us again.

[HEZI]

soooo Noah might have been a mistake......With most of the league going to small ball it doesn't make sense having a guy who doesn't even look at the basket out there clogging space. That lineup with Rose-Lee-Holliday-Melo-KP looked really good. They were playing great defense, pushing the ball up quick and getting good shots.

The problem is when Noah and Rose are on the court at the same time teams can have a field day doubling Melo and KP. Move Noah to the bench next to Hernangomez with Jennings-Baker-Kuz.

KP is magical and is developing an arsenal similar to Melo. He needs to touch the ball on every possession in the half court.

Hot and Cold Melo is nerve racking to watch put you know he can catch fire at any moment.

Holliday has shown more than anyone would have expected so far. Where are you guys that said he can't play and wanted him waived?

I wish we had a PG who could actually shoot the ball. Is it too late to trade Jennings for JJ Barea?

We do have a PG who could shoot, he's in Westchester right now.

Can people stop with freakin Chasson Randle already. He is not a PG. There is a reason Baker was the primary ball handler in Summer League. He can definitely score but he is not a distributor or can run an offense.

The key target next offseason should be Chris Paul. He can take the team to another level along side Melo and KP. He can actually shoot the ball, is arguably the best distributor in the league and is a solid defender. Melo needs to work some magic to get his friend over here and finally make good on that wedding day toast.

I don't care about him "running the offense" I know he can shoot and he gets buckets. I thought you would come up with some realistic alternatives but then you said Chris Paul lol

[Amsterdam]

According to ESPN Knicks scoring 101.0 and allowing 106.5 We're actually 20th in OPPG



Lets keep the Defense going!!

Good post.

It is falling on some heads here but team defense is the hardest concept to organize in team sports. Offense is predicated on attacking the weakest link in defenses. While the defense has to cover for, counter balance and scout the other teams tendencies.

We will get better. You can see how Hornacek is using Holiday as a stopper and the team is gradually improving at the 3pt line defensive rotations. Advance scouting then drawing up complete defensive game plans, while adjusting to your personnel is not at all easy.

[NOOB77]

You can start the game big but that is it. Then rotate nothing but small ball especially with Melo and KP in the game. Depending on matchups finish with a big lineup or small lineup. If we want to be successful on both ends we need to see a lot more of Melo at the 4 and KP at the 5. Everything just fits much better on both sides of the court.

When we go small the Lee/Holiday combo is the underrated part of the lineup. They can put up some really nice perimeter defense. And they are both great floor spacers. It opens up the court on offense for the 1/5, 1/4 or 4,5 pick and rolls all day long with two great shooters on the outside.

Everything better when we play small.

[HEZI]

You know, Jennings passing up wide open layups really bothers me. Why does he look so shook in the paint? I don't know how many times I've seen him have a wide open layup and he just pulls back and dribbles out.

You would look shook too if your athleticism depleted and your like 6'0 175.

He doesn't have enough athleticism to go for a layup? That is alarming

[F N 11]

You know, Jennings passing up wide open layups really bothers me. Why does he look so shook in the paint? I don't know how many times I've seen him have a wide open layup and he just pulls back and dribbles out.

You would look shook too if your athleticism depleted and your like 6'0 175.

He doesn't have enough athleticism to go for a layup? That is alarming

He gets blocked a ton. Thats why I mentioned athleticism depreciating. Harder to leap high and get it over taller guys.

[Amsterdam]

Like others have already beaten to death! Spacing in today's NBA is essential to success! Just look at last year's finals. The day of strictly low posting big men have gone. And if you look at the Knicks, much of are defensive struggles are because of two things:

1. Melo isn't quick enough to stay with SF's anymore for ANY length of time. Maybe a possession or 2 but that's it.
2. KP struggles too with attempting to guard the perimeter based PFs such as Gibson, Ryan Anderson, Tobias Harris etc

The fix to this is to play KP more at the 5 and allow your BEST defender to be on the court more. Rocket Science??? And if KP is overmatched (not often) insert Willy, who can actually shoot. Noah's ineffectiveness on the offensive side is actually 2 fold because 1. opposing C's aren't guarding him and 2. Opposing C's are resting on their defensive end. I like Noah and all, but he's hurting the team and that's not to say there's not a place for him because it still is. Just need to limit his minutes.

And who is our best defensive big that can guard on the perimeter? Also Gibson is not a perimeter player. He did his damage on KP down low and on the boards. We were still able to counter with KP on offense and it's how we nullified him.

[F N 11]

According to ESPN Knicks scoring 101.0 and allowing 106.5 We're actually 20th in OPPG



Lets keep the Defense going!!

Good post.

It is falling on some heads here but team defense is the hardest concept to organize in team sports. Offense is predicated on attacking the weakest link in defenses. While the defense has to cover for, counter balance and scout the other teams tendencies.

We will get better. You can see how Hornacek is using Holiday as a stopper and the team is gradually improving at the 3pt line defensive rotations. Advance scouting then drawing up complete defensive game plans, while adjusting to your personnel is not at all easy.

Also 20th in opponent 3pt %. We were dead last I believe at one point. We seem to be improving in areas since Rambis whether we like it or not. lol. We will be better. Last night was some of the best perimeter defense ive seen from us all year. Doesnt matter the competition was meh, we contested and got over screens even clyde was getting hyped.

[HEZI]

You would look shook too if your athleticism depleted and your like 6'0 175.

He doesn't have enough athleticism to go for a layup? That is alarming

He gets blocked a ton. Thats why I mentioned athleticism depreciating. Harder to leap high and get it over taller guys.

But I'm talking about wide open layups. He gets scared of attempting a layup even though he has a wide open lane to the basket, he looks scared of weak side defenders. Watching it on TV, we get a better angle of the spacing and you could see him having a few feet of advantage but he still pulls back because he anticipates somebody is behind him, yet they really are not. Just seems tentative and reluctant.

[Polk377]

We do have a PG who could shoot, he's in Westchester right now.

Can people stop with freakin Chasson Randle already. He is not a PG. There is a reason Baker was the primary ball handler in Summer League. He can definitely score but he is not a distributor or can run an offense.

The key target next offseason should be Chris Paul. He can take the team to another level along side Melo and KP. He can actually shoot the ball, is arguably the best distributor in the league and is a solid defender. Melo needs to work some magic to get his friend over here and finally make good on that wedding day toast.

I don't care about him "running the offense" I know he can shoot and he gets buckets. I thought you would come up with some realistic alternatives but then you said Chris Paul lol

Cool so when the ball movement stops, Melo and KP are not getting the ball in good spots and they can't get good shots that is ok because he can "get buckets". Tell me how is he going to score when he has a suit on?

Is Paul not an upcoming free agent? I don't know why he would be considered unrealistic considering the Clippers are going nowhere in the West, the Knicks have legitimate pieces to work with and one of his best friends is on the team.

[MartinsLusis]

:(

Robin probably thought that's another mascot.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

According to ESPN Knicks scoring 101.0 and allowing 106.5 We're actually 20th in OPPG



Lets keep the Defense going!!

Defensive efficiency matters a lot more than OPPG, and we're still 30th in that area even after last night's game.

[CJackson]

Two more and I'm out. Great night!

I missed the crossover. My god, for a 7 foot guy, no less a legit 7'3"

One of the moves that will propel him to stardom is that play, recognizing the mismatch and then taking the one foot, SLIGHT fade, bank shot.
That is unstoppable. At KP's height, that is just about a Kareem Sky Hook, in terms of no one stops it but itself.

banking in his dirk shot gets me wet

[MP4LIFE]

Can people stop with freakin Chasson Randle already. He is not a PG. There is a reason Baker was the primary ball handler in Summer League. He can definitely score but he is not a distributor or can run an offense.

The key target next offseason should be Chris Paul. He can take the team to another level along side Melo and KP. He can actually shoot the ball, is arguably the best distributor in the league and is a solid defender. Melo needs to work some magic to get his friend over here and finally make good on that wedding day toast.

I don't care about him "running the offense" I know he can shoot and he gets buckets. I thought you would come up with some realistic alternatives but then you said Chris Paul lol

Cool so when the ball movement stops, Melo and KP are not getting the ball in good spots and they can't get good shots that is ok because he can "get buckets". Tell me how is he going to score when he has a suit on?

Is Paul not an upcoming free agent? I don't know why he would be considered unrealistic considering the Clippers are going nowhere in the West, the Knicks have legitimate pieces to work with and one of his best friends is on the team.

Pieces to work with? Lol.

The Clippers are currently one of the best teams in the West. The Knicks are a collection of hasbeens, never-weres and a few rookies who are getting destroyed on defense nightly.

I think Chris Paul would rather play with Blake than waste the rest of his career with declining Melo.

[mpharris36]

knicks beat even worse team. news at 11.

very negative...

[CJackson]

knicks beat even worse team. news at 11.

You're making a joke, but since when has that been a given?

it wasn't a given in the 1st half

your sidekick should be Robin Givens

[NYKnicksTAPE]

I don't care about him "running the offense" I know he can shoot and he gets buckets. I thought you would come up with some realistic alternatives but then you said Chris Paul lol

Cool so when the ball movement stops, Melo and KP are not getting the ball in good spots and they can't get good shots that is ok because he can "get buckets". Tell me how is he going to score when he has a suit on?

Is Paul not an upcoming free agent? I don't know why he would be considered unrealistic considering the Clippers are going nowhere in the West, the Knicks have legitimate pieces to work with and one of his best friends is on the team.

Pieces to work with? Lol.

The Clippers are currently one of the best teams in the West. The Knicks are a collection of hasbeens, never-weres and a few rookies who are getting destroyed on defense nightly.

I think Chris Paul would rather play with Blake than waste the rest of his career with declining Melo.

you're too negative lol, but yeah, CP3 isn't coming here...at some point we have to realize that the top tier FA's aren't checking for us

[dakomish23]

New York traded center Robin Lopez, guard Jose Calderon and guard Jerian Grant to Chicago, which shipped guard Justin Holiday, Rose and a 2017 second-round pick back to the Knicks.

just wanted this to sink in

And by dumping Failderon in the deal, we opened up the cap space to sign Jennings and Kuz

So really we got

DRose
Holiday
Jennings
Kuz
2nd rd pick

For

RoLo
Grant
Failderon

Not bad

It all depends on how Grant developes... And if Rose will remain healthy..

Even if Grant becomes a decent player 3 years from now and DRose has a some injuries id still consider this a decent deal for NY.

[F N 11]

According to ESPN Knicks scoring 101.0 and allowing 106.5 We're actually 20th in OPPG



Lets keep the Defense going!!

Defensive efficiency matters a lot more than OPPG, and we're still 30th in that area even after last night's game.

When they are talking about stats on tv, they are talking about OPPG.