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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#301 » by DOT » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:50 am

I mean, I get why people don't like it, there's a lot of valid complaints

It's not the best Star Wars movie, but it's far from the worst, pretty mediocre imo

I liked it, personally, but there's a lot they could have and should have done differently. Doesn't make it trash, just makes it unfulfilled potential

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I disagree on Luke's attempt to kill Ren being out of character. Like he explains, he only wanted to kill him for a split second,
which as an impulsive character, is something he would do. Example the time he tried to kill Palpatine, and then Vader, before realizing that'd be a bad. But by the time he realized what he was doing, it was too late, and Ren had been pushed over the edge.

Loved that they used OT Yoda and not prequel Yoda

Ren and Rey are learning too fast, the time between the end of TFA and TLJ is like, a week? Luke was in Dagobah for well over a month, yet Rey learns everything she needs to know in a single day, f*ck is that? And now Snoke's dead, complete waste of a character. I don't even want them to say some bullsh*t like he was projecting himself, that'd be dumb. Honestly, it makes sense for Ren's arc to end with him killing Snoke and assuming command of the Order, but he should do that at the end of the trilogy, not the middle.
And he offers Rey the same offer Vader offered to Luke, but it doesn't mean the same cause Vader and Luke were father and son,
and Rey and Ren are equals

I hated Rose's character too. Completely unnecessary, and falls in love with Finn after less than a day of knowing him,I hate that sh*t

The thing about 2nd parts of trilogies is that it's supposed to make you feel like there's nowhere to go, that this is the darkest hour.
Think about the end of Empire, Han was in carbonite, the Rebellion was scattered and on the run, Luke had lost his hand and gone against the wishes of Yoda, we learn that Ben was lying to us the whole time, sh*t was depressing

And now this. Technically yes, the rebels are at their lowest point. But we don't really care because all the characters we care about are fine, and narratively, there's nothing making characters question their ideologies. Finn's fine, Poe's fine, Rey's become a f*cking Jedi Master already (something that Luke did between movies), and while Luke's dead, it's not supposed to be a sad death.
Only character that didn't make it out okay is Han and my boy Admiral Akbar (rip). And Leia can use the Force to pull herself back into a ship from out in space? F*ck that, way too many deus ex machina moments here


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The Mon Calamari cruiser jumping to lightspeed into the Star Destroyer was f*cking amazing though
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#302 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:11 am

K-DOT wrote:I mean, I get why people don't like it, there's a lot of valid complaints

It's not the best Star Wars movie, but it's far from the worst, pretty mediocre imo

I liked it, personally, but there's a lot they could have and should have done differently. Doesn't make it trash, just makes it unfulfilled potential

Spoiler:
I disagree on Luke's attempt to kill Ren being out of character. Like he explains, he only wanted to kill him for a split second,
which as an impulsive character, is something he would do. Example the time he tried to kill Palpatine, and then Vader, before realizing that'd be a bad. But by the time he realized what he was doing, it was too late, and Ren had been pushed over the edge.

Loved that they used OT Yoda and not prequel Yoda

Ren and Rey are learning too fast, the time between the end of TFA and TLJ is like, a week? Luke was in Dagobah for well over a month, yet Rey learns everything she needs to know in a single day, f*ck is that? And now Snoke's dead, complete waste of a character. I don't even want them to say some bullsh*t like he was projecting himself, that'd be dumb. Honestly, it makes sense for Ren's arc to end with him killing Snoke and assuming command of the Order, but he should do that at the end of the trilogy, not the middle.
And he offers Rey the same offer Vader offered to Luke, but it doesn't mean the same cause Vader and Luke were father and son,
and Rey and Ren are equals

I hated Rose's character too. Completely unnecessary, and falls in love with Finn after less than a day of knowing him,I hate that sh*t

The thing about 2nd parts of trilogies is that it's supposed to make you feel like there's nowhere to go, that this is the darkest hour.
Think about the end of Empire, Han was in carbonite, the Rebellion was scattered and on the run, Luke had lost his hand and gone against the wishes of Yoda, we learn that Ben was lying to us the whole time, sh*t was depressing

And now this. Technically yes, the rebels are at their lowest point. But we don't really care because all the characters we care about are fine, and narratively, there's nothing making characters question their ideologies. Finn's fine, Poe's fine, Rey's become a f*cking Jedi Master already (something that Luke did between movies), and while Luke's dead, it's not supposed to be a sad death.
Only character that didn't make it out okay is Han and my boy Admiral Akbar (rip). And Leia can use the Force to pull herself back into a ship from out in space? F*ck that, way too many deus ex machina moments here


Spoiler:
The Mon Calamari cruiser jumping to lightspeed into the Star Destroyer was f*cking amazing though


Spoiler:
The Mon Calamari cruiser jumping to lightspeed into the Star Destroyer was f*cking amazing though


Prob the best part of the movie for me. :lol:

Why would they not use OT Yoda thoe. Thats where he died. Force Ghosts only assume the form at death of the Jedi.

I also refuse to accept that Rey and Ren are more naturals in the force than Luke is. Even in FA, she was more force adept than Luke was without training. Schit, she is more force adept than ANAKIN SKYWALKER if you really think about it. :lol:


The whole I am not the Last Jedi Speech was Lame as fucck as well.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#303 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:49 am

Fury wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Fury wrote:
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he almost killed him then decided against it (Darth Vader). Here he didn’t even make up his mind! Like a quick thought. If his light saber had a silencer Kylo Ren would still be knocked out.


Spoiler:
He was standing over Ben with a lightsaber. He choked in the end, but the fact that it got that far after we've known Luke as someone who saw the light in the darkest of people is absurd. He didn't ask Ben about what was bothering him / what he was feeling the way he felt, he went straight to kill mode. Again, after refusing to kill Vader because he sensed the light and conflict within, you don't see a problem with him handling the Ben situation the way he did? IIRC, when Luke was captured by Vader in ROTJ (?) he told him that he still sensed good in him. Where was that optimism here?


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well, didn’t he say he saw some **** that was awful? He’s not the same guy, being at an older age. Could’ve been out of character but it’s someone we haven’t revisited in a while so I don’t think just to think about it is inconceivable.


Spoiler:
I thought all he said was that he sensed the darkness inside and that he felt it rising?


shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Fury wrote:
Spoiler:
he almost killed him then decided against it (Darth Vader). Here he didn’t even make up his mind! Like a quick thought. If his light saber had a silencer Kylo Ren would still be knocked out.


Spoiler:
He was standing over Ben with a lightsaber. He choked in the end, but the fact that it got that far after we've known Luke as someone who saw the light in the darkest of people is absurd. He didn't ask Ben about what was bothering him / what he was feeling the way he felt, he went straight to kill mode. Again, after refusing to kill Vader because he sensed the light and conflict within, you don't see a problem with him handling the Ben situation the way he did? IIRC, when Luke was captured by Vader in ROTJ (?) he told him that he still sensed good in him. Where was that optimism here?



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I think you're missing the point of that scene and Luke's character in general. First, he states to Vader that he feels the good in him, the conflict. He mentions this at least four times in the movie, twice to Vader, once to Obi-Wan, once to Leia. In TLJ, in that scene with Ben, he EXPLICITLY states that ALL he felt was darkness, that Snoke had already poisoned his mind, that there was no going back for Ben. If you listen closely you can even hear people screaming out and dying. Luke didn't want this to be his greatest failure. And yet even after that, he felt shame for even thinking of killing Ben. He says the thought "passed as quickly as a shadow" and he talks of feeling shame for this. By the time Ben woke up it was too late to fix it, and we know what happens. The temple burns, Luke is at a breaking point with the Jedi, and he exiles himself (Yoda did the same thing). (Also, I point out, it was JJ who stuck Luke on that island, not Rian). That, coupled with the fact that for some reason people are forgetting just how impulsive Luke was and is. In Empire, he defies Yoda and goes to Cloud City and loses, putting his friends in greater peril. In Jedi, he nearly kills his own father even AFTER sensing the good in him. Only after seeing his machine hand does he pull back. And in Jedi again, he waltzes into Jabba's palace and thinks he can wreck **** up and yet he ends up with the Rancor and miraculously escapes. This is Luke's character. This is why he exiled himself, because he failed...failure is a huge part of this movie and Yoda even says to him that failure is our greatest teacher. I feel strongly that people didn't like this movie because of preconceived notions as to what we should have seen, such as a lightsaber battle, or Rey being related for some reason to a Kenobi or Skywalker, or Snoke being someone other than just an **** who was Kylo Ren's master, or Luke going all super Jedi and killing everyone. Maybe Rian Johnson went too filmy with this one, too much subtext, not enough familiarity, but that's exactly what people complained about with TFA. To me, they handled Luke's character perfectly and gave him the best possible ending. TLJ is as much about his redemption and newfound status as a true legend (see the last scene) as anything else.


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I need to see that scene again, because I could have sworn he said he felt the darkness rising and not that it was "all that he felt." I do remember him saying Snoke got to him, though.

Sure, Luke was impulsive in the other movies but, again, he was also stubborn - the stubbornness was there with Vader and IMO it should have been there with Ben as well.

That last scene with Luke was unbelievable, and I think I said that in another post as well.

I went into the movie hoping to like it, even with the stuff I'd heard. I didn't care...I never care about reviews or RT. I just thought it was ok and I had a bunch of issues with it.

I don't think we're going to agree on this...
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#304 » by j4remi » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:19 pm

shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Spoiler:
He was standing over Ben with a lightsaber. He choked in the end, but the fact that it got that far after we've known Luke as someone who saw the light in the darkest of people is absurd. He didn't ask Ben about what was bothering him / what he was feeling the way he felt, he went straight to kill mode. Again, after refusing to kill Vader because he sensed the light and conflict within, you don't see a problem with him handling the Ben situation the way he did? IIRC, when Luke was captured by Vader in ROTJ (?) he told him that he still sensed good in him. Where was that optimism here?



Spoiler:
I think you're missing the point of that scene and Luke's character in general. First, he states to Vader that he feels the good in him, the conflict. He mentions this at least four times in the movie, twice to Vader, once to Obi-Wan, once to Leia. In TLJ, in that scene with Ben, he EXPLICITLY states that ALL he felt was darkness, that Snoke had already poisoned his mind, that there was no going back for Ben. If you listen closely you can even hear people screaming out and dying. Luke didn't want this to be his greatest failure. And yet even after that, he felt shame for even thinking of killing Ben. He says the thought "passed as quickly as a shadow" and he talks of feeling shame for this. By the time Ben woke up it was too late to fix it, and we know what happens. The temple burns, Luke is at a breaking point with the Jedi, and he exiles himself (Yoda did the same thing). (Also, I point out, it was JJ who stuck Luke on that island, not Rian). That, coupled with the fact that for some reason people are forgetting just how impulsive Luke was and is. In Empire, he defies Yoda and goes to Cloud City and loses, putting his friends in greater peril. In Jedi, he nearly kills his own father even AFTER sensing the good in him. Only after seeing his machine hand does he pull back. And in Jedi again, he waltzes into Jabba's palace and thinks he can wreck **** up and yet he ends up with the Rancor and miraculously escapes. This is Luke's character. This is why he exiled himself, because he failed...failure is a huge part of this movie and Yoda even says to him that failure is our greatest teacher. I feel strongly that people didn't like this movie because of preconceived notions as to what we should have seen, such as a lightsaber battle, or Rey being related for some reason to a Kenobi or Skywalker, or Snoke being someone other than just an **** who was Kylo Ren's master, or Luke going all super Jedi and killing everyone. Maybe Rian Johnson went too filmy with this one, too much subtext, not enough familiarity, but that's exactly what people complained about with TFA. To me, they handled Luke's character perfectly and gave him the best possible ending. TLJ is as much about his redemption and newfound status as a true legend (see the last scene) as anything else.


This is my feeling too, it felt like a movie trying to move away from preconceived notions about the series and that's played a big role in the reactions. I think this article hit pretty well from a PoV that I came away with and you seem to be in a similar boar.

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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#305 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:32 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
Fury wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Spoiler:
He was standing over Ben with a lightsaber. He choked in the end, but the fact that it got that far after we've known Luke as someone who saw the light in the darkest of people is absurd. He didn't ask Ben about what was bothering him / what he was feeling the way he felt, he went straight to kill mode. Again, after refusing to kill Vader because he sensed the light and conflict within, you don't see a problem with him handling the Ben situation the way he did? IIRC, when Luke was captured by Vader in ROTJ (?) he told him that he still sensed good in him. Where was that optimism here?


Spoiler:
well, didn’t he say he saw some **** that was awful? He’s not the same guy, being at an older age. Could’ve been out of character but it’s someone we haven’t revisited in a while so I don’t think just to think about it is inconceivable.


Spoiler:
I thought all he said was that he sensed the darkness inside and that he felt it rising?


shtolky wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Spoiler:
He was standing over Ben with a lightsaber. He choked in the end, but the fact that it got that far after we've known Luke as someone who saw the light in the darkest of people is absurd. He didn't ask Ben about what was bothering him / what he was feeling the way he felt, he went straight to kill mode. Again, after refusing to kill Vader because he sensed the light and conflict within, you don't see a problem with him handling the Ben situation the way he did? IIRC, when Luke was captured by Vader in ROTJ (?) he told him that he still sensed good in him. Where was that optimism here?



Spoiler:
I think you're missing the point of that scene and Luke's character in general. First, he states to Vader that he feels the good in him, the conflict. He mentions this at least four times in the movie, twice to Vader, once to Obi-Wan, once to Leia. In TLJ, in that scene with Ben, he EXPLICITLY states that ALL he felt was darkness, that Snoke had already poisoned his mind, that there was no going back for Ben. If you listen closely you can even hear people screaming out and dying. Luke didn't want this to be his greatest failure. And yet even after that, he felt shame for even thinking of killing Ben. He says the thought "passed as quickly as a shadow" and he talks of feeling shame for this. By the time Ben woke up it was too late to fix it, and we know what happens. The temple burns, Luke is at a breaking point with the Jedi, and he exiles himself (Yoda did the same thing). (Also, I point out, it was JJ who stuck Luke on that island, not Rian). That, coupled with the fact that for some reason people are forgetting just how impulsive Luke was and is. In Empire, he defies Yoda and goes to Cloud City and loses, putting his friends in greater peril. In Jedi, he nearly kills his own father even AFTER sensing the good in him. Only after seeing his machine hand does he pull back. And in Jedi again, he waltzes into Jabba's palace and thinks he can wreck **** up and yet he ends up with the Rancor and miraculously escapes. This is Luke's character. This is why he exiled himself, because he failed...failure is a huge part of this movie and Yoda even says to him that failure is our greatest teacher. I feel strongly that people didn't like this movie because of preconceived notions as to what we should have seen, such as a lightsaber battle, or Rey being related for some reason to a Kenobi or Skywalker, or Snoke being someone other than just an **** who was Kylo Ren's master, or Luke going all super Jedi and killing everyone. Maybe Rian Johnson went too filmy with this one, too much subtext, not enough familiarity, but that's exactly what people complained about with TFA. To me, they handled Luke's character perfectly and gave him the best possible ending. TLJ is as much about his redemption and newfound status as a true legend (see the last scene) as anything else.


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I need to see that scene again, because I could have sworn he said he felt the darkness rising and not that it was "all that he felt." I do remember him saying Snoke got to him, though.

Sure, Luke was impulsive in the other movies but, again, he was also stubborn - the stubbornness was there with Vader and IMO it should have been there with Ben as well.

That last scene with Luke was unbelievable, and I think I said that in another post as well.

I went into the movie hoping to like it, even with the stuff I'd heard. I didn't care...I never care about reviews or RT. I just thought it was ok and I had a bunch of issues with it.

I don't think we're going to agree on this...



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KT how you let that Yoda statement slide. Yoda did not exile himself like Luke. Its like saying Obi Wan Kenobi exiled himself. They went into hiding because the Jedi were being slaughtered and hunted down by Vader. Damn near every Jedi was on the run at that time in the Galaxy. Yoda and Obi Wan just lasted the longest.

Luke went to that island for much different reasons than Yoda or Obi Wan. Its not even comparable. He specfically exiled himself/ran away cause of emotion and guilt etc

EDIT shtolky if you want a more detailed reason why they can not be compared as to juztify anything read my next post.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#306 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:39 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
Fury wrote:
Spoiler:
well, didn’t he say he saw some **** that was awful? He’s not the same guy, being at an older age. Could’ve been out of character but it’s someone we haven’t revisited in a while so I don’t think just to think about it is inconceivable.


Spoiler:
I thought all he said was that he sensed the darkness inside and that he felt it rising?


shtolky wrote:

Spoiler:
I think you're missing the point of that scene and Luke's character in general. First, he states to Vader that he feels the good in him, the conflict. He mentions this at least four times in the movie, twice to Vader, once to Obi-Wan, once to Leia. In TLJ, in that scene with Ben, he EXPLICITLY states that ALL he felt was darkness, that Snoke had already poisoned his mind, that there was no going back for Ben. If you listen closely you can even hear people screaming out and dying. Luke didn't want this to be his greatest failure. And yet even after that, he felt shame for even thinking of killing Ben. He says the thought "passed as quickly as a shadow" and he talks of feeling shame for this. By the time Ben woke up it was too late to fix it, and we know what happens. The temple burns, Luke is at a breaking point with the Jedi, and he exiles himself (Yoda did the same thing). (Also, I point out, it was JJ who stuck Luke on that island, not Rian). That, coupled with the fact that for some reason people are forgetting just how impulsive Luke was and is. In Empire, he defies Yoda and goes to Cloud City and loses, putting his friends in greater peril. In Jedi, he nearly kills his own father even AFTER sensing the good in him. Only after seeing his machine hand does he pull back. And in Jedi again, he waltzes into Jabba's palace and thinks he can wreck **** up and yet he ends up with the Rancor and miraculously escapes. This is Luke's character. This is why he exiled himself, because he failed...failure is a huge part of this movie and Yoda even says to him that failure is our greatest teacher. I feel strongly that people didn't like this movie because of preconceived notions as to what we should have seen, such as a lightsaber battle, or Rey being related for some reason to a Kenobi or Skywalker, or Snoke being someone other than just an **** who was Kylo Ren's master, or Luke going all super Jedi and killing everyone. Maybe Rian Johnson went too filmy with this one, too much subtext, not enough familiarity, but that's exactly what people complained about with TFA. To me, they handled Luke's character perfectly and gave him the best possible ending. TLJ is as much about his redemption and newfound status as a true legend (see the last scene) as anything else.


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I need to see that scene again, because I could have sworn he said he felt the darkness rising and not that it was "all that he felt." I do remember him saying Snoke got to him, though.

Sure, Luke was impulsive in the other movies but, again, he was also stubborn - the stubbornness was there with Vader and IMO it should have been there with Ben as well.

That last scene with Luke was unbelievable, and I think I said that in another post as well.

I went into the movie hoping to like it, even with the stuff I'd heard. I didn't care...I never care about reviews or RT. I just thought it was ok and I had a bunch of issues with it.

I don't think we're going to agree on this...



Spoiler:
KT how you let that Yoda statement slide. Yoda did not exile himself. Its like saying Obi Wan Kenobi exiled himself. They went into hiding because the Jedi were being slaughtered and hunted down by Vader. Damn near every Jedi was on the run at that time in the Galaxy. Yoda and Obi Wan just lasted the longest.

Luke went to that island for much different reasons than Yoda or Obi Wan. Its not even comparable. He specfically exiled himself/ran away cause of emotion and guilt etc


Spoiler:
Honestly, I just missed it. :lol:
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#307 » by WajaBawl » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:41 pm

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also refuse to accept that Rey and Ren are more naturals in the force than Luke is. Even in FA, she was more force adept than Luke was without training. Schit, she is more force adept than ANAKIN SKYWALKER if you really think about it. :lol: [/b]
The whole I am not the Last Jedi Speech was Lame as fucck as well.


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This is one of my biggest issues with the new movies. I understand Kylo having Force Powers since he's been through extensive Jedi AND Sith training, but all of sudden Rey is one of the strongest warriors in the entire galaxy having little no to training at all? I cringe everytime I see her because, like you said, it's like they intentionally ignore the fact that harnessing The Force takes training like the one Luke went through with Yoda. Rey is doing lightsaber tricks and lifting rocks left and right without even breaking a sweat just 'cause.

Still wish they would have went with the Stormtrooper turns Jedi story that the original trailers for TFA kind of hinted towards. Would also have made Finn's whole character arc a lot better, because I don't even know what his role is anymore..
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#308 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:17 pm

Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
Knickstape1214 wrote:
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I thought all he said was that he sensed the darkness inside and that he felt it rising?




Spoiler:
I need to see that scene again, because I could have sworn he said he felt the darkness rising and not that it was "all that he felt." I do remember him saying Snoke got to him, though.

Sure, Luke was impulsive in the other movies but, again, he was also stubborn - the stubbornness was there with Vader and IMO it should have been there with Ben as well.

That last scene with Luke was unbelievable, and I think I said that in another post as well.

I went into the movie hoping to like it, even with the stuff I'd heard. I didn't care...I never care about reviews or RT. I just thought it was ok and I had a bunch of issues with it.

I don't think we're going to agree on this...



Spoiler:
KT how you let that Yoda statement slide. Yoda did not exile himself. Its like saying Obi Wan Kenobi exiled himself. They went into hiding because the Jedi were being slaughtered and hunted down by Vader. Damn near every Jedi was on the run at that time in the Galaxy. Yoda and Obi Wan just lasted the longest.

Luke went to that island for much different reasons than Yoda or Obi Wan. It's not even comparable. He specifically exiled himself/ran away cause of emotion and guilt etc


Spoiler:
Honestly, I just missed it. :lol:



Spoiler:
:lol: It's all good. Yoda's "exile" to me is more survival than anything, Lukes was not about survival. If Yoda was the only Jedi to disappear, and others did not, then Maybe, but every Jedi In the Galaxy "vanished" .He failed to defeat Sidious and there was an imminent impending doom that he deemed he could not handle (Order 66). he choose Dagobah cause he wanted to remain undetected from Vader, Palpy, Empire etc, and that planet provided him the best chance, cause Its an outer rim planet, and The cave of Evil on dagobah helped him mask his light side presence, which he learned it would do when he visited the planet to speak with Qui Gon Jin. This is very strategic. That tells you it was about survival more than anything. He also had that vision where he SAW the Jedi being wiped out with order 66 in the cave, he knew what was to come. Kenobi was protecting luke more than anything. He did not exile himself cause he failed with Anakin. That mofo had no choice to disappear :lol: That's not Exile to me. Order 66 changes Yodas and those Jedi reasons for "running away" vs Lukes. I see Lukes Exile as the only true exile of the Movies. He left the galaxy "unprotected" when there was no one strong enough to destroy him, the others did not. They literally had no choice. Jedi have failed many times in the saga. Yoda did not stop his apprentice fall to the Darkness with Dooku...he still remained.Mace Windu "Failed" with Depa Bilaba...he did not exile himself. etc etc.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#309 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:24 pm

WajaBawl wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:
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also refuse to accept that Rey and Ren are more naturals in the force than Luke is. Even in FA, she was more force adept than Luke was without training. Schit, she is more force adept than ANAKIN SKYWALKER if you really think about it. :lol: [/b]
The whole I am not the Last Jedi Speech was Lame as fucck as well.


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This is one of my biggest issues with the new movies. I understand Kylo having Force Powers since he's been through extensive Jedi AND Sith training, but all of sudden Rey is one of the strongest warriors in the entire galaxy having little no to training at all? I cringe everytime I see her because, like you said, it's like they intentionally ignore the fact that harnessing The Force takes training like the one Luke went through with Yoda. Rey is doing lightsaber tricks and lifting rocks left and right without even breaking a sweat just 'cause.

Still wish they would have went with the Stormtrooper turns Jedi story that the original trailers for TFA kind of hinted towards. Would also have made Finn's whole character arc a lot better, because I don't even know what his role is anymore..



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Bro. I was on cloud 9 thinking Finn ws going to be a Jedi. Him holding a saber is the biggest troll ever on that poster and trailer
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Post#310 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:31 pm

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Also isnt it kinda lame how Luke took to the passing of Han Solo. smh. They could have done a much better Job. I dont care how many people try to defend this movie. Its poorly done.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#311 » by BeagleBoss » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:43 pm

Saw it a second time last night and I'm still disappointed. It just doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It felt like your typical DC movie sprinkled with Disney crap.

I loved the Force Awakens. People say it was too similar to A New Hope but so what? THAT IS STAR WARS!!!!!

Couldn't they have chosen a better actress to play Rose?
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#312 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:54 pm

BeagleBoss wrote:Saw it a second time last night and I'm still disappointed. It just doesn't feel like a Star Wars movie. It felt like your typical DC movie sprinkled with Disney crap.

I loved the Force Awakens. People say it was too similar to A New Hope but so what? THAT IS STAR WARS!!!!!

Couldn't they have chosen a better actress to play Rose?


I said this last night to myself. I was sour a little on TFA , but I said that was a SW movie in tone all day.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#313 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:39 pm

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Knickstape1214 wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:

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KT how you let that Yoda statement slide. Yoda did not exile himself. Its like saying Obi Wan Kenobi exiled himself. They went into hiding because the Jedi were being slaughtered and hunted down by Vader. Damn near every Jedi was on the run at that time in the Galaxy. Yoda and Obi Wan just lasted the longest.

Luke went to that island for much different reasons than Yoda or Obi Wan. It's not even comparable. He specifically exiled himself/ran away cause of emotion and guilt etc


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Honestly, I just missed it. :lol:



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:lol: It's all good. Yoda's "exile" to me is more survival than anything, Lukes was not about survival. If Yoda was the only Jedi to disappear, and others did not, then Maybe, but every Jedi In the Galaxy "vanished" .He failed to defeat Sidious and there was an imminent impending doom that he deemed he could not handle (Order 66). he choose Dagobah cause he wanted to remain undetected from Vader, Palpy, Empire etc, and that planet provided him the best chance, cause Its an outer rim planet, and The cave of Evil on dagobah helped him mask his light side presence, which he learned it would do when he visited the planet to speak with Qui Gon Jin. This is very strategic. That tells you it was about survival more than anything. He also had that vision where he SAW the Jedi being wiped out with order 66 in the cave, he knew what was to come. Kenobi was protecting luke more than anything. He did not exile himself cause he failed with Anakin. That mofo had no choice to disappear :lol: That's not Exile to me. Order 66 changes Yodas and those Jedi reasons for "running away" vs Lukes. I see Lukes Exile as the only true exile of the Movies. He left the galaxy "unprotected" when there was no one strong enough to destroy him, the others did not. They literally had no choice. Jedi have failed many times in the saga. Yoda did not stop his apprentice fall to the Darkness with Dooku...he still remained.Mace Windu "Failed" with Depa Bilaba...he did not exile himself. etc etc.


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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#314 » by thebuzzardman » Wed Dec 20, 2017 3:59 pm

My friend said "Pretty good Star Trek Jedi movie"
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#315 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:04 pm

JJ Abrams is a better director than this cat. I actually Enjoy JJ's Star Treks movies. They even reset the Universe with those movies, but its done in a way thats ok.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#316 » by Oscirus » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:32 pm

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Also where the hell are the Knights of Ren? They set it up in not only the last movie but this one too and we get nothing at all.
We have time for DJ but no time for something like that?
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#317 » by E-Balla » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:34 pm

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Fury wrote:Stuff I didn't like so we can even things out:

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Definitely Super Leia. I also thought they lost a great opportunity to have her getting blown up after Kylo Ren decided NOT to.

The whole Poe trying to get **** done but he was actually wrong in the middle had the right idea but I didn't like the execution 100% because the payout had the wrong tone. Like I get what Holder did but when Poe got shot and she was in cahoots with Leia it was kind of weird and off.

They didn't expand on the these people sell weapons to both sides of the fight. Would have liked to see them explore that and make the rebels a bit more nuanced.


I'll get to more but gotta run.


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I don't get why media thinks that the onus should be on Holdo to share her plans with a recently demoted commander as if it's her fault that he was acting like an **** and mutinying.

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Because he's your best pilot, one of 200 or so people left, and isn't the only person assuming you're leading them to death (as shown by the bloodless mutiny)? Why keep that information private just to be an **** to someone? These are people's lives.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#318 » by Fury » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:44 pm

IllmaticHandler wrote:JJ Abrams is a better director than this cat. I actually Enjoy JJ's Star Treks movies. They even reset the Universe with those movies, but its done in a way thats ok.


I disagree. I find Abrams kinda of dull doesn’t really take risks. This guy did brick and looper, both were also good.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#319 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:18 pm

Fury wrote:
IllmaticHandler wrote:JJ Abrams is a better director than this cat. I actually Enjoy JJ's Star Treks movies. They even reset the Universe with those movies, but its done in a way thats ok.


I disagree. I find Abrams kinda of dull doesn’t really take risks. This guy did brick and looper, both were also good.



well Im only speaking on Star Trek He reset the timeline and it worked pretty well. Resetting Star Trek is a huge Risk, you bugging.Also His SW movie is better than this to me.
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Re: OT: Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi 

Post#320 » by E-Balla » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:30 pm

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Also isnt it kinda lame how Luke took to the passing of Han Solo. smh. They could have done a much better Job. I dont care how many people try to defend this movie. Its poorly done.

Didn't I say you were gonna hate it? I knew if I was meh on it someone that feels like you do on SW was gonna be mad.

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