Melo Thread #????? - Update PG 58 - 4-way scenarios explored (In Georgia?)

[3toheadmelo]

Cavs aren't getting a deal unless we get Kevin love (and I want him just to flip him)

No one wants to see shump and jr back in NYK

[HarthorneWingo]

guys lin doesn't play here anymore its pointless argument its been done and its over with

Not here it isn't.

[god shammgod]

f*ck lin. f*ck melo. and certainly f*ck amare. who the hell cares about this ?

[Capn'O]

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

Absolutely. And the lesson for what you are saying should have been learned when acquiring him.

Spoiler:

Well, they should have known and abode by that during the trade but it was a good figure of speech the way that I had it.

yes....say no to bullsh*t

p.s. i saw a post from you as to why melo would want houston more than the cavs. i think he thinks if he went to houston he would be winning it on his own as opposed to just riding lebron's coattails. nobody on houston has accomplished anything more than he has. so nobody would be above him in his mind.

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I've figured he wanted Cleveland or Paul's location of choice about equally. I wondered about the D'Antoni connection a few months back but that seems to be water under the bridge.

[whocares1]

Cavs aren't getting a deal unless we get Kevin love (and I want him just to flip him)

No one wants to see shump and jr back in NYK

The Cavaliers haven't done a single major move. Probably think Lebron is leaving. They'd much rather have Love for the long term than risk both Melo and Lebron leaving in free agency.

[Context]

Mills- make me proud- no value for the Knicks- NO MELO for you!

[god shammgod]

Absolutely. And the lesson for what you are saying should have been learned when acquiring him.

Spoiler:

Well, they should have known and abode by that during the trade but it was a good figure of speech the way that I had it.

yes....say no to bullsh*t

p.s. i saw a post from you as to why melo would want houston more than the cavs. i think he thinks if he went to houston he would be winning it on his own as opposed to just riding lebron's coattails. nobody on houston has accomplished anything more than he has. so nobody would be above him in his mind.

Watch on YouTube

I've figured he wanted Cleveland or Paul's location of choice about equally. I wondered about the D'Antoni connection a few months back but that seems to be water under the bridge.

it wasn't you ? well damn. oh well.

[drekwins]

Coulda sworn I read recently that mike D says he wants Melo

These arguments are pointless

Yeah, because he doesn't hate Melo. He can be the best (or close to it) stretch 4 in the game. He just can't be the center of DAntonio offense. DAntoni loves the idea of him in the Marion spot... not playing Nash or Amare.

[F N 11]

Coulda sworn I read recently that mike D says he wants Melo

These arguments are pointless

Link or this is pointless

[stuporman]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

Exactly, getting assets would be ideal but not fouling up the cap over the immediate future is more important, a healthy fiscal situation is needed to rebuild. He's cost the Knicks so many assets to get him and keep him happy the Knicks should not be concerned about giving him what he wants in leaving if it means the stink of the deal lasts for years on the cap or in costing more assets. It's better to let him opt out and reset that way. Other than a chirpy Jax the Knicks have treated Melo really well but the media has spun it like the Knicks are monsters, they are just incompetent, that's different.

[HarthorneWingo]

f*ck lin. f*ck melo. and certainly f*ck amare. who the hell cares about this ?

So what? People are arguing with one another. I thought that would make you happy?

[god shammgod]

melo still gonna frustrate dan a couple times a game by taking mid range shots but he'll have to live with it

[F N 11]

Mills aint just about to handy yall 60 wins lol. I dont care what anybody says. If Melo stfu and be the spot up team USA Melo that makes them dangerous. Harden and Paul already drawing so much attention.

[F N 11]

melo still gonna frustrate dan a couple times a game by taking mid range shots but he'll have to live with it

He has Paul and Harden to break ish down. Melo is dangerous with those 2. Could have a career high in Fg %. Remember the knock was he never had great teammates.

[god shammgod]

f*ck lin. f*ck melo. and certainly f*ck amare. who the hell cares about this ?

So what? People are arguing with one another. I thought that would make you happy?

i like when they sling personal insults....arguing about beaten to death topics is boring. and frankly, looking back now and seeing what lin amounted to...it's kind of embarrassing that we're still talking about him like he's important in any way.

[stuporman]

In the NBA Arms Race, Morey needs Melo more than Mills needs to get rid of Melo.

This.

[whocares1]

Mills aint just about to handy yall 60 wins lol. I dont care what anybody says. If Melo stfu and be the spot up team USA Melo that makes them dangerous. Harden and Paul already drawing so much attention.

We haven't seen Melo play like that for 82+ games...but Melo definitely has never been surrounded by that much talent either. Should be a fun experience if comes to fruition.

[HarthorneWingo]

So what seems to be holding this deal up is Mills unwillingness to take on any garbage like Anderson or Leonard, to get the deal done and Houston can't find anyone to take it on while coughing up an asset for the Knicks. Morey is getting his Ainge on and wanting to be stingy with assets and has an unrealistic expectation of his position in negotiations, he wants to take advantage of everyone while giving nothing in return .

Morey probably thinks he can wait the Knicks out so the pressure from the media and fans will eventually wear Mills down or Dolan will do his typical thing and meddle by pushing a terrible deal through just to get it done. History is on his side in thinking that's what will happen but this will be a significant indicator to see if Dolan has learned anything and if Mills has the backbone for the job. Although, how good he is at identifying basketball talent and roster building is shown in the long run.

As much as it would be nice to just move on from Anthony, the Knicks need to hold firm. If they can't find the right trade, there's no sense making a stupid trade just to get rid of Anthony. If Anthony really wants out then have him work the same pull that a lot of folks have accused him of getting himself here in the first place, to keep the pressure on the Rockets to poney up and/or figure it out. And if not, then you don't do it. Anthony is worried enough about his brand (the thing that a lot of folks have accused him of being interested in more than winning) that he's not going to turn into a cancer (and risk his brand). You carry him until the right move happens or you make him opt out. Right now teams may have a good idea what they have and where they are at, but once the season starts and things shake out you may actually get more interest as teams look to really make moves to push them up a notch. In baseball it's why you usually get the best return waiting for near the trade deadline. Same here. Again, yes, trade him if a deal that makes sense comes up and let's all move on. But you don't got to trade him no matter what.

Exactly, getting assets would be ideal but not fouling up the cap over the immediate future is more important, a healthy fiscal situation is needed to rebuild. He's cost the Knicks so many assets to get him and keep him happy the Knicks should not be concerned about giving him what he wants in leaving if it means the stink of the deal lasts for years on the cap or in costing more assets. It's better to let him opt out and reset that way. Other than a chirpy Jax the Knicks have treated Melo really well but the media has spun it like the Knicks are monsters, they are just incompetent, that's different.

Right. We need to hold firm and be willing to walk away from a deal if we don't get what we want. If nothing materializes, let Melo be come off the bench as 6th man on a rebuilding team. Trust me, he will then come to the table - hat in hand - begging for an immediate buyout.

[ChaosHamster]

Well, if Melo is opting-out of his last year and leaving 30mil on the table, that means he at least had a decent year by his standards this upcoming seasons.

~20 shots, ~22ppg.

So people who are hoping he will sit back a little, and let young guys run the show.. isn't happening. If only he is okay of staying both years in NY.

[Capn'O]

yes....say no to bullsh*t

p.s. i saw a post from you as to why melo would want houston more than the cavs. i think he thinks if he went to houston he would be winning it on his own as opposed to just riding lebron's coattails. nobody on houston has accomplished anything more than he has. so nobody would be above him in his mind.

Watch on YouTube

I've figured he wanted Cleveland or Paul's location of choice about equally. I wondered about the D'Antoni connection a few months back but that seems to be water under the bridge.

it wasn't you ? well damn. oh well.

My assumption was that his whole business about waiting until the offseason was to see where some of his buddies ended up. I didn't foresee Paul wanting to leave (though Melo almost certainly did) but Wade/the Bulls or a trade to the Clippers seemed in play.

Side note: I would say that the Clippers should have ponied up but they retooled really nicely this summer, assuming Teodosic translates well.