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Sark wrote:dakomish23 wrote:RHODEY wrote:Does this mean they are going to try and dump Hardaway....
The only team I could see taking him is DET
Kennard/ Leuer for Hardaway?
Heartbeat
I can see Atlanta taking him back if we take back a sht contract from them, like Bazemore or Plumlee.
Are We Ther Yet wrote:KennySkyWalker wrote:Are We Ther Yet wrote:
Dolan wants the FO to be patient. Not the fans. No more big splash quick fix moves.
It's Dolan's way of using someone else to tell the fans that they're just going to have to suck it up for the next several seasons as we will most likely put an even worse product on the court. The US refers to all of us. It's insulting to the fans to have come out and say this. We've known this for 20 years!!! Mills coming out publicy saying Dolan has decreed the Knicks shall now be a patient organization is embarrassing. Just do it! All Knicks fans are asking for is progress each year.
Cool story bro. Mills is just reassuring the fans that Dolan is ok with a slow process. You can put a tin foil hat on and make a big deal if you want. I'm just telling you thr context and who it was actually addressed to.
Most projections have him returning after the all star break. I say tank and sit him for the year or put him on heavy mins restrictions so we can tank.Wonderllama wrote:When is KP expected to return? He got hurt in February. It's tricky with him... you don't want him to miss the entire season, but you also want to lose as much as possible before he returns.
blanko wrote:Most projections have him returning after the all star break. I say tank and sit him for the year or put him on heavy mins restrictions so we can tank.Wonderllama wrote:When is KP expected to return? He got hurt in February. It's tricky with him... you don't want him to miss the entire season, but you also want to lose as much as possible before he returns.
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dakomish23 wrote:RHODEY wrote:Does this mean they are going to try and dump Hardaway....
The only team I could see taking him is DET
Kennard/ Leuer for Hardaway?
Heartbeat
iLovethosedamnknicks wrote:blanko wrote:Most projections have him returning after the all star break. I say tank and sit him for the year or put him on heavy mins restrictions so we can tank.Wonderllama wrote:When is KP expected to return? He got hurt in February. It's tricky with him... you don't want him to miss the entire season, but you also want to lose as much as possible before he returns.
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thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
Adelheid wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
Budz forced him to play D in ATL and even went to the dleague. Here, he can play whatever amount of effort he wants and doesnt get punished for mucking up assignments. Stack seems to have that accountability edge over Blatt but whatever.
whocares1 wrote:Adelheid wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
Budz forced him to play D in ATL and even went to the dleague. Here, he can play whatever amount of effort he wants and doesnt get punished for mucking up assignments. Stack seems to have that accountability edge over Blatt but whatever.
He doesn’t get punished because he has a bigger role offensively here then he did there. Generally ‘star’ players get some slack defensively because they make up for it in other ways. If he’s taking 20 shots a game here, he’s not going to have a tight leash defensively. Goal is to eliminate the need for him to jack up shots, but I can’t imagine that’ll change considering the roster construction.
whocares1 wrote:Adelheid wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
Budz forced him to play D in ATL and even went to the dleague. Here, he can play whatever amount of effort he wants and doesnt get punished for mucking up assignments. Stack seems to have that accountability edge over Blatt but whatever.
He doesn’t get punished because he has a bigger role offensively here then he did there. Generally ‘star’ players get some slack defensively because they make up for it in other ways. If he’s taking 20 shots a game here, he’s not going to have a tight leash defensively. Goal is to eliminate the need for him to jack up shots, but I can’t imagine that’ll change considering the roster construction.
thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
whocares1 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
It’s not about stressing defensive accountability. We saw how Jeff was treated when he yelled at O’Quinn at the Garden. We saw what happened last season with the 3 hour practices and teammates calling out each other mistakes watching film. The point is to acquire good defensive players period. It’s not a foreign concept. You can’t expect good defense from players that are KNOWN for being bad defensive players.
It doesn’t matter who the coach is. When offensive players struggle offensively, they always press on defense. Coach can sit whoever he wants, but you can’t change these players.
thebuzzardman wrote:whocares1 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:Not the biggest Timmay fan but will wait to see if:
Knicks get a coach who stresses defensive accountability and gets through to the players
THJr responds to this plus the benefit of coach actually knowing how to coach defense, instead of the Jeff and Kurt Show.
In other words, I can wait a year on THJr.
It’s not about stressing defensive accountability. We saw how Jeff was treated when he yelled at O’Quinn at the Garden. We saw what happened last season with the 3 hour practices and teammates calling out each other mistakes watching film. The point is to acquire good defensive players period. It’s not a foreign concept. You can’t expect good defense from players that are KNOWN for being bad defensive players.
It doesn’t matter who the coach is. When offensive players struggle offensively, they always press on defense. Coach can sit whoever he wants, but you can’t change these players.
I get that. I see multiple issues. The Knicks need better defensive players - more of them. They had enough to be better than they were and had options to pull guys when effort was bad and plug in a willing defender, but Jeff didn't stress effort and accountability. Plus his schemes were bad and I feel their defensive preparation/game planning could have been better too. Now, THJr is never going to be a great defender, but he can be a lot better. Probably adequate. Which can be ok for what he brings offensively.
Deeeez Knicks wrote:As much as i would love to shed Hardaway's contract, I doubt we are looking to move him. That's Mills guy. Seems like they view him as part of the core.
whocares1 wrote:thebuzzardman wrote:whocares1 wrote:
It’s not about stressing defensive accountability. We saw how Jeff was treated when he yelled at O’Quinn at the Garden. We saw what happened last season with the 3 hour practices and teammates calling out each other mistakes watching film. The point is to acquire good defensive players period. It’s not a foreign concept. You can’t expect good defense from players that are KNOWN for being bad defensive players.
It doesn’t matter who the coach is. When offensive players struggle offensively, they always press on defense. Coach can sit whoever he wants, but you can’t change these players.
I get that. I see multiple issues. The Knicks need better defensive players - more of them. They had enough to be better than they were and had options to pull guys when effort was bad and plug in a willing defender, but Jeff didn't stress effort and accountability. Plus his schemes were bad and I feel their defensive preparation/game planning could have been better too. Now, THJr is never going to be a great defender, but he can be a lot better. Probably adequate. Which can be ok for what he brings offensively.
How did Jeff not stress effort and accountability? He started Lance Thomas of all people. He chose Quinn over Willy because of defense. I know his daughter is biased but I’m assuming she isn’t lying about Jeff staying up till 4 am to prep for games. You work with what you’re given.
He had to balance offense + defense so if he’s relying on certain offensive players to score, he’s going to have a longer leash on those players on the defensive end. It’s not like Jeff had zero success in the league like Rambis, his Suns team actually overperformed in his first season. The point is that there isn’t a coach in the NBA that would’ve made the Knicks a respectable defensive team.
