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[2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36

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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#301 » by Knicksfan20 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

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No way I give up future first and take on Parsons contract.


I don't know, but that future 1st could be based on them wanting to keep their 9th pick along with receiving the 4th and Parsons.


I would trade next year’s pick if it meant we could keep this year. Next hear we will suck. So they can have it unprotected but I doubt it because they want to compete now .

Bamba + Knox or Mikal
Or
Doncic + Mikal or Knox

Add that to KP+ Frank.

(Assuming Hardaway/Burke get moved in trade)

Bamba/KP
KP/?
Knox or Mikal
Dotson
Frank/Mudiay

Or

KP/Oquinn
?/?
Knox/?
Doncic/?
Frank

In any deal , I hope we are able to keep our 2nd but it’s unlikely. Some guys I really like in that early 2nd. Early 20s-lates 20s type of talent in that area.

Hardaway+Burke+Mudiay+Dotson+ our 2nd + Courtney Lee is probably the absolute best offer we could make. That’s a pretty good haul only to move down 5 spots and to save 60 million dollars on top of that.

I think Burke has value based on his contract and upside.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#302 » by camillepd » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

Now that Kyle has opted out and Kanter might also, doesn't the Knicks have to draft a big that can play Center tonight?
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#303 » by Mecca » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

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Exactly. No way it next years first AND #9 AND taking Parsons deal


You don’t realize the cost to trade up then because it 1000% is. You don’t keep 9 and get 4. Stop it.


You keep 9 if you give up next years 1st ,Nkitlina and take on Parsons contract. Nkitilina is a top 7 pick and still cost controlled


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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#305 » by vallen » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

If you can get a franchise type talent by adding a future pick you do it. ORL, DET, SAC, PHO, and a handful of other teams have been swimming in the Lottery for decades without ever getting their guy. If hes available you pull that trigger.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#306 » by Triple C » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

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"Tough to trade up: If the Knicks – or any other team – wants to move up in the draft, it will cost significant assets. So it’s hard to see New York executing a deal to move into the top five. They could include future first-round picks in a trade, but team president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry have placed a high value on those future firsts and don’t seem inclined to include any in a trade. "
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#307 » by Fury » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:59 pm

camillepd wrote:Now that Kyle has opted out and Kanter might also, doesn't the Knicks have to draft a big that can play Center tonight?


We aren't building for just next year. We can just sign some player to a 1-2 year contract.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#308 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:00 pm

coopnyc74 wrote:I would have to consider a future first if we could get 4(Bamba) and keep 9(Mikal Bridges), our defense is set and we can start looking for shooters starting with the 2nd round pick.


How does a trade like that work? I mean keeping 9, but trading up to 4 also.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#309 » by Jstock12 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:00 pm

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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#310 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:00 pm

Fury wrote:
camillepd wrote:Now that Kyle has opted out and Kanter might also, doesn't the Knicks have to draft a big that can play Center tonight?


We aren't building for just next year. We can just sign some player to a 1-2 year contract.

Dedmon would have been a cool fit for 1-2 years. I brought up a post of mine a few weeks back from when he was at USC. Nice to see him playing well.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#311 » by newyorker4ever » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:01 pm

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FrontOfficeEye wrote:I'd give up an unprotected 2020 first to not move Frank this year, not giving up a pick next year, and moving up to 4...and I'm someone who is vehemently against trading unprotected picks.



For Doncic or Bamba only? For me i'd have to add JJJ into that list cause i actually think he'd be a better fit then Bamba playing next to KP. I like Bamba next to him as well but JJJ already has an all around game and can play either the 4 or 5 just like KP.

I’d think about it. I’m not that high on JJJr - I see a Serge Ibaka type with better defense.



But he's a good shooter as well. I don't think he has a bad part to his game and he's the youngest player in this draft and has the 2nd longest wingspan after Bamba at 7'5"
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#312 » by The_Special_One » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:01 pm

For Doncic? I'd trade Ntilikina and next year's pick. He's THAT good.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#313 » by Triple C » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:02 pm

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What does NYK do at 9? Assuming the Knicks don’t trade up or back, they should have plenty of players to choose from at nine. The big question, of course, is how far Michael Porter Jr. falls. If he’s available at 9, the Knicks will have to think long and hard about the risk/reward of taking Porter Jr. If Wendell Carter Jr. somehow falls to 9, I’d expect the Knicks to take him even with Porter on the board. But let’s assume that neither player is there. It could come down to Kentucky’s Kevin Knox, Villanova’s Mikal Bridges, Michigan State’s Miles Bridges and Miami’s Lonnie Walker. I’ve heard that Knox, Mikal Bridges and Walker all have had support within the Knicks front office in the weeks leading up to the draft. If I had to guess at the time of this post (9:30 AM on Thursday), the Knicks would go with Knox in this scenario.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#314 » by vallen » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:02 pm

camillepd wrote:Now that Kyle has opted out and Kanter might also, doesn't the Knicks have to draft a big that can play Center tonight?


no just because they opt out doesnt mean they wont be resigned. be prepared.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#315 » by Jstock12 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:02 pm

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FrontOfficeEye wrote:I’d think about it. I’m not that high on JJJr - I see a Serge Ibaka type with better defense.


So you think the KG comparison is inaccurate?


Wildly so, yes. I’ve never see anyone say that though, wow.


I've read it somewhere. Aside from Doncic I haven't really studied the other prospects. Therefore I was surprised that JJJ wasn't being considered as the #1 pick if he's compared to KG. Apparently that was a load of BS :lol:
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#316 » by King of Canada » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:02 pm

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A few Knicks notes as we head into the draft:

Tough to trade up: If the Knicks – or any other team – wants to move up in the draft, it will cost significant assets. So it’s hard to see New York executing a deal to move into the top five. They could include future first-round picks in a trade, but team president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry have placed a high value on those future firsts and don’t seem inclined to include any in a trade. Per ESPN’s Jonathan Givony, the Knicks are one of several teams to talk to Memphis about trading involving its No. 4 pick. The Grizzlies have insisted that any team that acquires its pick take back Chandler Parsons, and the nearly $50 million he’s owed over the next two seasons. The Knicks have told some agents that they are strongly opposed to signing any free agents to long-term contracts this summer. The idea, it appears, is to preserve cap space for 2019. So it wouldn’t make sense for the Knicks to take back Parsons in a trade because his contract would clog their cap for the summer of 2019.

Kyrie, Kawhi: The Knicks hope to have enough space to pursue a top free agent that summer. It’s worth noting that Kyrie Irving will likely be a free agent in 2019. Irving had the Knicks on his list of trade destinations last summer. It's impossible, of course, to talk with any certainty about potential landing spots for Irving more than 12 months away from his free agency. Plenty can change between now and next July. But people around the league expect New York to remain a desired destination for Irving if he hits free agency next summer. And if Irving is interested in New York, you can be sure that the Knicks will be interested in Irving.

Depending on how things unfold over the next few weeks, Kawhi Leonard could be available in free agency in the summer of 2019 as well. Leonard’s advisers view New York as a potential destination for the Spurs star. So it would make sense for the Knicks to try to draw Leonard as a free agent rather than try to trade for him; any trade for Leonard would almost certainly have to include Kristaps Porzingis heading to San Antonio.

What does NYK do at 9? Assuming the Knicks don’t trade up or back, they should have plenty of players to choose from at nine. The big question, of course, is how far Michael Porter Jr. falls. If he’s available at 9, the Knicks will have to think long and hard about the risk/reward of taking Porter Jr. If Wendell Carter Jr. somehow falls to 9, I’d expect the Knicks to take him even with Porter on the board. But let’s assume that neither player is there. It could come down to Kentucky’s Kevin Knox, Villanova’s Mikal Bridges, Michigan State’s Miles Bridges and Miami’s Lonnie Walker. I’ve heard that Knox, Mikal Bridges and Walker all have had support within the Knicks front office in the weeks leading up to the draft. If I had to guess at the time of this post (9:30 AM on Thursday), the Knicks would go with Knox in this scenario.

Due diligence: It’s hard to overstate just how important this draft is for the Knicks’ rebuild. It’s also the first draft for the executive duo of Mills and Perry. From an outside view, it seems as if Mills, Perry and the Knicks front office has done its homework for this draft. Like all NBA teams, the Knicks have either hosted – or traveled to – workouts for many potential picks. They’ve had representatives – assistant general manager Gerald Madkins, who overseas the scouting department, and others - at hundreds of college and international games throughout the season. This is what competent NBA teams do. This Knicks regime also seemingly hasn’t had to fight the same perception issues that New York dealt with during Phil Jackson’s presidency. Some young players were turned off by what they’d heard about the Knicks in recent seasons; one of the top point guards in the 2017 NBA Draft was dead set against working out for New York because he didn’t want to run the triangle offense, per sources. This Knicks contingent doesn’t seem to be handcuffed by those same negative perceptions – at least not to the same degree as the past regime.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#317 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:02 pm

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For Doncic or Bamba only? For me i'd have to add JJJ into that list cause i actually think he'd be a better fit then Bamba playing next to KP. I like Bamba next to him as well but JJJ already has an all around game and can play either the 4 or 5 just like KP.

I’d think about it. I’m not that high on JJJr - I see a Serge Ibaka type with better defense.



But he's a good shooter as well. I don't think he has a bad part to his game and he's the youngest player in this draft and has the 2nd longest wingspan after Bamba at 7'5"

Ibaka is a good shooter, too. Same rebounding issues, foul issues at same point, and defensive promise. I just don’t see star, that’s all. A better Serge isn’t a bad player by any means.

Also, I’ve said this before, but I’m weary of that jumper translating fully.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#318 » by Br00kLyn » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:04 pm

FrontOfficeEye wrote:
coopnyc74 wrote:I would have to consider a future first if we could get 4(Bamba) and keep 9(Mikal Bridges), our defense is set and we can start looking for shooters starting with the 2nd round pick.


How does a trade like that work? I mean keeping 9, but trading up to 4 also.


You know, other teams are just dying to give us their top 5 picks for absolutely nothing in return. They just want to see knicks fans happy for a change
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#319 » by mpharris36 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:04 pm

Mecca wrote:
mpharris36 wrote:where are all these knox and paul george/tatum comparisons coming from. Both those other players had creativity with the rock and ISO ability. Knox basiaclly only scores off of screens and off ball movement.

Tobias Harris comp makes the most sense...and that doesn't thrill me.


Givony said he got same vibe with Knox as he did with PG13 In pre draft workouts.


i don't see where he is seeing it.

PG13 was pegged as a true swingman. big 2 guard or SF type. Knox is much of a slower plodding SF with the potential to play small ball 4 if he actually learns how to rebound.

But the athleticism/defensive ability in both are huge disparities. Just an idea of PG13 athleticism coming out of school he was pegged that he could defend 1-3...knox really is pegged as someone that can defends 3's and maybe some 4's.

The only comp between there games is both were pretty passive players in college and PG13 did develop a killer instinct over time which I guess Knox can as well. But there actual game and impact on the floor couldn't be anymore different.
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Re: [2018] - DRAFT NIGHT THREAD! Currently #9, #36 

Post#320 » by 3toheadmelo » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:04 pm

The_Special_One wrote:For Doncic? I'd trade Ntilikina and next year's pick. He's THAT good.

no way jose. doncic not even the best player of this draft...

i aint givin up next year's pick and we miss out on nas
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