PG Thread: Excellent loss

[magnumt]

Yet that’s still way better than Knox.

Knox is shooting worse than Timmy.

Efficiency is a concern, but Knox has shown significant improvement already.

The last 17 games Knox is shooting 17.1 pg, 41.4%fg, 38% 3, 74% ft. His efficiency has gone up each month over the last 3.

The last 6 games he has a TS% of 55% in this month.

Yes, he needs to improve, but it’s actually happening. We saw it last night. He is taking better shots, and playing much better overall.

He’s improving from that horrible start. He’s still not efficient but he’s improving making his shots. That’s not really saying much at this point.

...and as much as I’m not feeling dude I don’t run in here every time he has a stinker(which would be often), but I’m watching dude and just don’t see the hype.

Improving is not saying much?! So greenie, WHAT are you trying to say then?!

—Mags

[BKlutch]

Greenie was comparing that Melo caught grief for hoisting up shots inefficiently, while KP would do the same but not be called on it. Also, both guys are guys who sort of need to be fed the ball - not run an offense through - not yet for KP, maybe never.

Obviously KP is the better defender, though I'd expect the "KP can't guard the perimeter" argument to get trotted out.
KP still makes teams play different when he gets to guard the post, and he was there often enough for me to see the impact, and I'm sure everyone else.

Melo's defensive specialty was to blow his defensive assignment and then point at a teammate. THJr is getting pretty good at that too.

THJ has def picked up the mantle. I thought Felton was the biggest culprit. Must have done it 500x that 13-14 season

man Felton had to be the worst pg in the league that year. u have no idea how much times he pissed me off

He was, probably because he had gotten fat. His defense was better when he was lighter.

[Greenie]

fixating on a rookie wings efficiency is just weird. KD shot 43% from the field and sub 30 from 3. Now he’s one of the most efficient scorers of all time. Knox gets all his shots in the flow of the game and rarely holds the ball. he’s always in attack mode. I also still think fiz could cut his minutes down and that would help his efficiency as well because he gets gassed down the stretch sometimes.

Yet that’s still way better than Knox.

Knox is shooting worse than Timmy.

Wrong!

LEARN SOMETHING

Knox, in the second most MPG, had close to the same FG & 3PT %s. Durant was abysmal from 3s it should be noted.

—Mags

You first.

Timmy is shooting 39%
Knox is shooting 38%


Durant shot 43% his rookie year.
...and yeah, he shot 28% from 3 that year too.

Still, overall much better than Knox.

[Greenie]

Efficiency is a concern, but Knox has shown significant improvement already.

The last 17 games Knox is shooting 17.1 pg, 41.4%fg, 38% 3, 74% ft. His efficiency has gone up each month over the last 3.

The last 6 games he has a TS% of 55% in this month.

Yes, he needs to improve, but it’s actually happening. We saw it last night. He is taking better shots, and playing much better overall.

He’s improving from that horrible start. He’s still not efficient but he’s improving making his shots. That’s not really saying much at this point.

...and as much as I’m not feeling dude I don’t run in here every time he has a stinker(which would be often), but I’m watching dude and just don’t see the hype.

Improving is not saying much?! So greenie, WHAT are you trying to say then?!

—Mags

I’m saying dude looked like he needed to go back to high school the start of the season.

Improving from there isn’t saying much. He was THAT bad.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yet that’s still way better than Knox.

Knox is shooting worse than Timmy.

Knox is weaker a Klingon Dev Booker.

Inefficient scorers on terrible rosters playing matador defense.

He is weak at going to the basket and shy’s away from contact.

Will that change moving forward? I don’t know because dude loves the floater.

Even with weight is he’s trying to avoid contact his efficiency around the basket won’t go up.

It has gone up and he has gotten better

First 23 games he is 28% on drives
Last 13 games he is 46% on drives
Last 6 games he is 59% on drives

By comparison, Harden is 50% on drives, Fox 49, Booker 52, Lebron 54. The last 6 games Knox has been finishing drives at an elite level

[Cookies4Life]

Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

[Greenie]

Knox is weaker a Klingon Dev Booker.

Inefficient scorers on terrible rosters playing matador defense.

He is weak at going to the basket and shy’s away from contact.

Will that change moving forward? I don’t know because dude loves the floater.

Even with weight is he’s trying to avoid contact his efficiency around the basket won’t go up.

It has gone up and he has gotten better

First 23 games he is 28% on drives
Last 13 games he is 46% on drives
Last 6 games he is 59% on drives

By comparison, Harden is 50% on drives, Fox 49, Booker 52, Lebron 54. The last 6 games Knox has been finishing drives at an elite level

Is that the last 6 games or the entire season for those other guys?

[shtolky]

Yet that’s still way better than Knox.

Knox is shooting worse than Timmy.

Wrong!

LEARN SOMETHING

Knox, in the second most MPG, had close to the same FG & 3PT %s. Durant was abysmal from 3s it should be noted.

—Mags

You first.

Timmy is shooting 39%
Knox is shooting 38%


Durant shot 43% his rookie year.
...and yeah, he shot 28% from 3 that year too.

Still, overall much better than Knox.

KD's rookie shooting stats: 43% fg, 28% from 3, .451 efg% is not "much better" than Knox's rookie shooting stats of 38% fg, 36% from 3, .456 efg%. Say what you want about his aggressiveness going to the basket, his sub-par defense, etc but you're just wrong when you say the former shooting numbers are much better than the later. it's just patently false.

[Greenie]

Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

I’m willing to bet that’s the starting backcourt next year too.

[god shammgod]

if you look at it month by month in year 1, durant's efficiency was equally bad until the last 2 months. also, knox might not be as good as durant. he could just as easily be rudy gay or anywhere in-between the two. at this point it's a wait and see. maybe we should shut the forum down until then. just an idea.

[Deeeez Knicks]

He is weak at going to the basket and shy’s away from contact.

Will that change moving forward? I don’t know because dude loves the floater.

Even with weight is he’s trying to avoid contact his efficiency around the basket won’t go up.

It has gone up and he has gotten better

First 23 games he is 28% on drives
Last 13 games he is 46% on drives
Last 6 games he is 59% on drives

By comparison, Harden is 50% on drives, Fox 49, Booker 52, Lebron 54. The last 6 games Knox has been finishing drives at an elite level

Is that the last 6 games or the entire season for those other guys?

The entire season.

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1

[Greenie]

if you look at it month by month in year 1, durant's efficiency was equally bad until the last 2 months. also, knox might not as good as durant. he could just as easily be rudy gay or anywhere in-between the two. at this point it's a wait and see. maybe we should shut the forum down until then. just an idea.

He’s not as good as Durant.

Rudy Gay is actually a great comparison.

[Tron Carter]

if you look at it month by month in year 1, durant's efficiency was equally bad until the last 2 months. also, knox might not be as good as durant. he could just as easily be rudy gay or anywhere in-between the two. at this point it's a wait and see. maybe we should shut the forum down until then. just an idea.

I’ll bet my account knox will not finish the season shooting sub 40% from the field. these are congured up petty arguments out of lingering spite.

[F N 11]

Rookies are inefficient, whats new. wtf

[Greenie]

It has gone up and he has gotten better

First 23 games he is 28% on drives
Last 13 games he is 46% on drives
Last 6 games he is 59% on drives

By comparison, Harden is 50% on drives, Fox 49, Booker 52, Lebron 54. The last 6 games Knox has been finishing drives at an elite level

Is that the last 6 games or the entire season for those other guys?

The entire season.

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1

So Kevin’s total for the year is what? 40% or something like that?

[Cookies4Life]

Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

I’m willing to bet that’s the starting backcourt next year too.

I'd And 1 your post if it didn't make me so sad. I'm hoping some team offers Manny 10 plus a year so we don't resign him. Hardaway unfortunately looks like he'll be a long term fixture here. Mills drafted him and than signed him to that ridiculous deal. he's going to live and die by that signing.

[Greenie]

Rookies are inefficient, whats new. wtf

All rookies are not inefficient.

[Greenie]

if you look at it month by month in year 1, durant's efficiency was equally bad until the last 2 months. also, knox might not be as good as durant. he could just as easily be rudy gay or anywhere in-between the two. at this point it's a wait and see. maybe we should shut the forum down until then. just an idea.

I’ll bet my account knox will not finish the season shooting sub 40% from the field. these are congured up petty arguments out of lingering spite.

I think he will stay sub 40%

[Capn'O]

if you look at it month by month in year 1, durant's efficiency was equally bad until the last 2 months. also, knox might not be as good as durant. he could just as easily be rudy gay or anywhere in-between the two. at this point it's a wait and see. maybe we should shut the forum down until then. just an idea.

I’ll bet my account knox will not finish the season shooting sub 40% from the field. these are congured up petty arguments out of lingering spite.

I think he will stay sub 40%

Bet! Bet! Bet! Bet!

[Greenie]

I’ll bet my account knox will not finish the season shooting sub 40% from the field. these are congured up petty arguments out of lingering spite.

I think he will stay sub 40%

Bet! Bet! Bet! Bet!

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