2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

3toheadmelo · Post #301 » by **3toheadmelo** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 3:31 pm

HEZI · Post #302 » by **HEZI** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:08 pm

I think we seriously need to take a look at Lamar Peters this season before the draft. He's been killing it in the GLeague and his jumper looks legit.

If Peters is the real deal then Haliburton at the 2 and RJ at the 3 would be an interesting trio.

RHODEY · Post #303 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:18 pm

E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:He raised his stock all he could. Time to lock himself in a gym until draft time and work on that jumper.

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

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In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

Fat · Post #304 » by **Fat** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:30 pm

E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:
E-Balla wrote:He raised his stock all he could. Time to lock himself in a gym until draft time and work on that jumper.

Broham. Bless me wit your big board. Top 7

1. James Wiseman - I think this is obvious, especially in a down year like this.

2. Tyrese Haliburton - Great defense, shooting, and passing but lacks the upside you'd like this high most years. Luckily for him this is a weak year and he's almost guaranteed to be an above average starter at the deepest position in the league. I think he's probably the player I least see being a star of the top 6 guys but outside of Wiseman he's also the one I see as having the highest chance of contributing to a champion which is the real end goal here.

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

4. Anthony Edwards - Living in GA I've seen him a lot and my impression is mixed. His athleticism is great and give him a high upside but my issue with him is that he doesn't use his athletic advantages nearly as much as he should and I've seen players like that before (Wiggins comes to mind) that never learned how to use their athleticism. On the other end of that guys like Oladipo did figure it out. Upside is a borderline superstar though so it's hard to drop him too much.

5. Tyler Bey - His defense is next level and he's a jumper away from being a more athletic Brandon Clarke or Shawn Marion 2.0.

6. Okongwu - Shorter Clint Capela with a better defensive IQ. Bouncy as all hell like a young Amare was.

7. Killian Hayes - He's already a 10/3/5 on 58 TS% player as a pro. He makes magic with the ball in his hands but his game is well developed and well rounded already. Needs to cut down on his high amount of mistakes with the ball.

I think Wiseman is the only sure first option here, but Ball and Edwards have a shot at being borderline All-NBA level. The rest I can see being all stars a few times or All D.

Are Tyler bey and Saddiq bey related or they just have the same last names?

E-Balla · Post #305 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:34 pm

RHODEY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

.

In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

A year ago he was barely dunking.

Watch on YouTube

Watch these and tell me if you think he's not NBA fast. His hesitation move is OP as hell due to his ability to speed up swiftly.

Lonzo is probably still a better athlete but he's not as fast or quick as Lamelo. Just way stronger with better ups. His issue is with a lot of other things, like shot selection.

E-Balla · Post #306 » by **E-Balla** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:41 pm

Naughtyfatboy wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:
Broham. Bless me wit your big board. Top 7

1. James Wiseman - I think this is obvious, especially in a down year like this.

2. Tyrese Haliburton - Great defense, shooting, and passing but lacks the upside you'd like this high most years. Luckily for him this is a weak year and he's almost guaranteed to be an above average starter at the deepest position in the league. I think he's probably the player I least see being a star of the top 6 guys but outside of Wiseman he's also the one I see as having the highest chance of contributing to a champion which is the real end goal here.

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

4. Anthony Edwards - Living in GA I've seen him a lot and my impression is mixed. His athleticism is great and give him a high upside but my issue with him is that he doesn't use his athletic advantages nearly as much as he should and I've seen players like that before (Wiggins comes to mind) that never learned how to use their athleticism. On the other end of that guys like Oladipo did figure it out. Upside is a borderline superstar though so it's hard to drop him too much.

5. Tyler Bey - His defense is next level and he's a jumper away from being a more athletic Brandon Clarke or Shawn Marion 2.0.

6. Okongwu - Shorter Clint Capela with a better defensive IQ. Bouncy as all hell like a young Amare was.

7. Killian Hayes - He's already a 10/3/5 on 58 TS% player as a pro. He makes magic with the ball in his hands but his game is well developed and well rounded already. Needs to cut down on his high amount of mistakes with the ball.

I think Wiseman is the only sure first option here, but Ball and Edwards have a shot at being borderline All-NBA level. The rest I can see being all stars a few times or All D.

Are Tyler bey and Saddiq bey related or they just have the same last names?

They just have the same last names.

Post #307 » by **moocow007** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:53 pm

RHODEY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
2010 wrote:

3. LaMelo Ball - I think his shot is busted but it's not slow and it's not awkward for him to pull up off the bounce like it was for Lonzo. His handles are also great, he's fast enough to consistently get to the hole, and he plays like a tall Jason Williams. Most of all I love his rapid improvement, work ethic, and mindset but if that shot doesn't work itself out those positives can easily become his biggest negatives.

.

In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

IMO Lamelo isn't so much explosively quick but rather silky smooth. He's not going to get by guys by exploding past them but he will be being able to read the floor and react on a dime (the whole "read and react" thing). James Harden is an example of said type of player. Harden is hardly athletic or explosive. But he gets by people cause his reaction time and feel for when to go is unearthly. A lot of the greatest players of all time also show those characteristics, the natural feel and timing to do things that other guys with their same type of athletic ability cannot do (Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Steve Nash, etc., etc., etc.). Heck even Michael Jordan. Super athletic, but there are plenty of guys that are as athletic as Jordan that couldn't do near what he could as far as going to the hole. Now by no means am I saying Lamelo will become an all-time great. Simply saying you can get to the whole without being super athletic if you have superb read and react ability and Lamelo definitely has that in spades. And that is a reason to believe that Lamelo Ball CAN turn into a star or all-star level player. Guys that don't have that ability, I normally immediately disconnect from being able to become great in the NBA. And it's not something you can learn in time, either you have it or you don't. It applies also not just to offense but defense as well. All the great defensive players in NBA history also have great read and react timing on the defensive end. Dennis Rodman was one of those. He wasn't tall, he wasn't super athletic, but he could read what the play was turning into and get into the right positions on a dime as well as how hard the ball was shot and at what angle respective to the rim so that if it didn't go in where he needed to be to get the rebound, etc. That instinctive innate ability you can't teach so you always want to focus on players that have that (and you worry about teaching them the things that can be taught more easily).

RHODEY · Post #308 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:43 pm

moocow007 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:

In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

IMO Lamelo isn't so much explosively quick but rather silky smooth. He's not going to get by guys by exploding past them but he will be being able to read the floor and react on a dime (the whole "read and react" thing). James Harden is an example of said type of player. Harden is hardly athletic or explosive. But he gets by people cause his reaction time and feel for when to go is unearthly. A lot of the greatest players of all time also show those characteristics, the natural feel and timing to do things that other guys with their same type of athletic ability cannot do (Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Steve Nash, etc., etc., etc.). Heck even Michael Jordan. Super athletic, but there are plenty of guys that are as athletic as Jordan that couldn't do near what he could as far as going to the hole. Now by no means am I saying Lamelo will become an all-time great. Simply saying you can get to the whole without being super athletic if you have superb read and react ability and Lamelo definitely has that in spades. And that is a reason to believe that Lamelo Ball CAN turn into a star or all-star level player. Guys that don't have that ability, I normally immediately disconnect from being able to become great in the NBA. And it's not something you can learn in time, either you have it or you don't. It applies also not just to offense but defense as well. All the great defensive players in NBA history also have great read and react timing on the defensive end. Dennis Rodman was one of those. He wasn't tall, he wasn't super athletic, but he could read what the play was turning into and get into the right positions on a dime as well as how hard the ball was shot and at what angle respective to the rim so that if it didn't go in where he needed to be to get the rebound, etc. That instinctive innate ability you can't teach so you always want to focus on players that have that (and you worry about teaching them the things that can be taught more easily).

Thanks Moocow , well if he has that it factor than I'm definitely not going to be mad if we get him. Thanks for the detailed rundown!

RHODEY · Post #309 » by **RHODEY** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:44 pm

E-Balla wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:

In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

A year ago he was barely dunking.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

Watch these and tell me if you think he's not NBA fast. His hesitation move is OP as hell due to his ability to speed up swiftly.

Lonzo is probably still a better athlete but he's not as fast or quick as Lamelo. Just way stronger with better ups. His issue is with a lot of other things, like shot selection.

Thanks E-balla, I want the kid to be good, and you guys are convincing me he will be.

Tron Carter · Post #310 » by **Tron Carter** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:01 pm

Read on Twitter

Hayes >>> LaMelo

robillionaire · Post #311 » by **robillionaire** » Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:43 pm

Tron Carter wrote:

Read on Twitter

Hayes >>> LaMelo

I would still take lamelo however Hayes looks really impressive as well.

Post #312 » by **HerSports85** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:35 am

Cursed

Read on Twitter

Post #313 » by **HerSports85** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:41 am

Oh this one right here hurt me

Read on Twitter

Who are our scouts smh

awy · Post #314 » by **awy** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:43 pm

get hayes. if not trade for 2021 pick.

E-Balla · Post #315 » by **E-Balla** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:11 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Oh this one right here hurt me

Read on Twitter

Who are our scouts smh

It ain't even the same. The other is showing the player that went one pick before us. This isn't showing the player one player after us.

thebuzzardman · Post #316 » by **thebuzzardman** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 2:29 pm

moocow007 wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
E-Balla wrote:

In the nba will he be fast enough though? I saw a video (albeit over year old) saying he was less athletic then Lonzo. Hope thats not true. I want the kid to be good enough to draft high but when you factor in the poor shooting , thats 2 major red flags....makes me wary.

IMO Lamelo isn't so much explosively quick but rather silky smooth. He's not going to get by guys by exploding past them but he will be being able to read the floor and react on a dime (the whole "read and react" thing). James Harden is an example of said type of player. Harden is hardly athletic or explosive. But he gets by people cause his reaction time and feel for when to go is unearthly. A lot of the greatest players of all time also show those characteristics, the natural feel and timing to do things that other guys with their same type of athletic ability cannot do (Larry Bird, Clyde Drexler, Steve Nash, etc., etc., etc.). Heck even Michael Jordan. Super athletic, but there are plenty of guys that are as athletic as Jordan that couldn't do near what he could as far as going to the hole. Now by no means am I saying Lamelo will become an all-time great. Simply saying you can get to the whole without being super athletic if you have superb read and react ability and Lamelo definitely has that in spades. And that is a reason to believe that Lamelo Ball CAN turn into a star or all-star level player. Guys that don't have that ability, I normally immediately disconnect from being able to become great in the NBA. And it's not something you can learn in time, either you have it or you don't. It applies also not just to offense but defense as well. All the great defensive players in NBA history also have great read and react timing on the defensive end. Dennis Rodman was one of those. He wasn't tall, he wasn't super athletic, but he could read what the play was turning into and get into the right positions on a dime as well as how hard the ball was shot and at what angle respective to the rim so that if it didn't go in where he needed to be to get the rebound, etc. That instinctive innate ability you can't teach so you always want to focus on players that have that (and you worry about teaching them the things that can be taught more easily).

Add Luka to your list. I know, before others come in with "HE CAN SHOOT!", that he's a far superior shooter to Lamelo. The point is that Luka takes that great shooting and combines it with that reaction time and feel, not unlike Harden.

Lamelo needs to improve his shot, but he already has that attribute that makes for a very good PG. I wouldn't be disappointed if the Knicks get him, if somehow Edwards and Halliburton are off the board.

Post #317 » by **DOT** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 3:38 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Oh this one right here hurt me

Read on Twitter

Who are our scouts smh

I always think, to be fair, blaming an org for not taking a guy who went more than a couple picks later is kinda ridiculous, cause they would'n't've taken him anyways. Like, I won't make fun of Cleveland for not taking Giannis 1st overall, cause there's no way that's a serious discussion in 2013. But they should be made fun of for taking Bennett over Oladipo, cause Dipo went right after him

So guys like Butler or Siakam being taken over 10 picks after our pick, I feel like that's not a valid complaint, but when you say DeRozan over Hill, Mitchell over Frank, or SGA over Knox, that is valid cause those guys were in contention where we picked

TheGreenArrow · Post #318 » by **TheGreenArrow** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:39 pm

Ja morant is special folks.

#LameloOrBust!!!!!!

newyorker4ever · Post #319 » by **newyorker4ever** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:01 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Oh this one right here hurt me

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Who are our scouts smh

I don't think it's about the scouting as much as it's that there is no exact science to drafting. There will always be multiple players in every single draft that will be drafted after players that they'll end up having much better careers than. We can all watch the talent that all these college kids have on tv and watch tape on the internet but it's about how their game will adapt to the NBA game which is played much different then how they play in college and it's about what's going on between the ears which you just can't predict cause they'll always say the right things when being interviewed by the NBA teams cause they go over how to answer questions in certain ways before they even get to their interviews. The will always be somewhat of a crap shoot and you need some luck on your side.

Post #320 » by **HerSports85** » Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:34 pm

newyorker4ever wrote:
HerSports85 wrote:Oh this one right here hurt me

Read on Twitter

Who are our scouts smh

I don't think it's about the scouting as much as it's that there is no exact science to drafting. There will always be multiple players in every single draft that will be drafted after players that they'll end up having much better careers than. We can all watch the talent that all these college kids have on tv and watch tape on the internet but it's about how their game will adapt to the NBA game which is played much different then how they play in college and it's about what's going on between the ears which you just can't predict cause they'll always say the right things when being interviewed by the NBA teams cause they go over how to answer questions in certain ways before they even get to their interviews. The will always be somewhat of a crap shoot and you need some luck on your side.

This is true but after awhile nobody wants to hear this bs when we’re constantly drafting all the wrong players year after year. How long has it been since we offered a rookie a second contract. At some point this is about the people making decisions. Outside of KP .. and Mitch this has been so damn frustrating. Hopefully we can get it right someday.