Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[j4remi]

Ah, this is the real concern. I admit, that is a legitimate one, though I think it applies more to the LP folks than it does Kasich.

All politics are transactional, so I have no doubts that everyone is jockeying for position in whatever the new world order of Republican politics will be. I also agree that the Dems may be giving them the cover of credibility here as well.

I can respect that apprehension. At the end of the day, you're right about me. I think 4 more years of Trump is basically the death of the American experiment. I can't plan the next 4 years and beyond, politically speaking, when the house is burning down around me. So I'm willing to work with whoever.

Will that cost us down the line? Perhaps. But I'd rather have a "down the line" than not.

Yeah, I definitely agree that the LP heads are the ones that have me on edge. Kasich, I chuckled about because I think he's a legitimate principled guy who I just don't agree with. He's pretty much harmless.

The credibility cover legitimately concerns me and I'll fully admit that prior to Trump, I wouldn't have batted an eye. But then Trump gets in and suddenly we have players from the Iran Contra scandal managing to snake back into the upper echelons of influence...and I'm still reeling from it.

While I agree on us absolutely needing to stop Trump, my main pause comes at not believing we need to win. I get that there's a "why risk it though" element behind accepting their support though. That's why my main conceit is "I get this is unique and won't push back on taking the help...but we need to make damn sure not to elevate these cats or forget who they are" because I've seen how short this country's memory span is. Basically, I think it comes down to how much material benefit LP will offer in this election. I surmise that their impact is already being overrated...hell, Trump was threatening to sue his old campaign manager over the poll numbers before the LP fired attack ads or took any victory laps on the day time news shows.

[j4remi]

I always want to hit one of his live shows and I was hoping to eventually follow up with him and Sam over my case. I never met the man and yet I feel like a lost a dear friend. Everyone is going on about what a genuinely nice man he was and how he went out of his way to help them. I still can't stop crying.

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Fam, the atmosphere at his live shows was always incredible and the support system that all of those brilliant people were part of came together on Michael Brooks' show. When I tell you the man was really and truly supportive; I mean giving us an email address to message him if we needed to pick his brain. He picked us out of a crowd and showed love (because we'd been to his prior shows and the MR one), then called over others regulars to talk with us too. I heard about his encouragement with some other growing channels from within the community too. Michael was really building toward something bigger and his message was always built on solidarity.

And that's just the community he had built. The knowledge he shared and the impacts he had (on the Lula story for example) were legitimate.

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Dude was a major guide for my political mindset. He centered solidarity for me in a way that no one else ever has and he introduced me to a ton of great minds globally that I didn't know much about prior. Dude would go from impersonating Nelson Mandela as a right wing talking head for laughs to doing an in depth interview with Milton Allimadi about African liberation that was informative as all hell. He was truly special. I feel this loss fam, jockeying between disbelief and angry acceptance whenever it crosses my mind.

[GONYK]

Michael Brook's last video.

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I've never heard of him, but I really enjoyed his analysis in this video. I will check out more of his stuff.

I'm truly sorry for your loss here.

[j4remi]

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Took about five minutes for me to need tissues, they'll be remembering him for the next couple of hours. It'll be tough but I'ma mourn with everybody and honor his memory.

[GONYK]

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Took about five minutes for me to need tissues, they'll be remembering him for the next couple of hours. It'll be tough but I'ma mourn with everybody and honor his memory.

I'm sorry for your loss as well. As I'm finding out more about Brooks, this seems along the lines of losing Kobe for progressive community.

[HarthorneWingo]

I always want to hit one of his live shows and I was hoping to eventually follow up with him and Sam over my case. I never met the man and yet I feel like a lost a dear friend. Everyone is going on about what a genuinely nice man he was and how he went out of his way to help them. I still can't stop crying.

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Fam, the atmosphere at his live shows was always incredible and the support system that all of those brilliant people were part of came together on Michael Brooks' show. When I tell you the man was really and truly supportive; I mean giving us an email address to message him if we needed to pick his brain. He picked us out of a crowd and showed love (because we'd been to his prior shows and the MR one), then called over others regulars to talk with us too. I heard about his encouragement with some other growing channels from within the community too. Michael was really building toward something bigger and his message was always built on solidarity.

And that's just the community he had built. The knowledge he shared and the impacts he had (on the Lula story for example) were legitimate.

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Dude was a major guide for my political mindset. He centered solidarity for me in a way that no one else ever has and he introduced me to a ton of great minds globally that I didn't know much about prior. Dude would go from impersonating Nelson Mandela as a right wing talking head for laughs to doing an in depth interview with Milton Allimadi about African liberation that was informative as all hell. He was truly special. I feel this loss fam, jockeying between disbelief and angry acceptance whenever it crosses my mind.

You were very fortunate to have connected with him like that. Seems like he touched everyone’s life like that. He was truly loved. I’d put him up against any professor of international politics bc Michael was a master in this subject matter. Thank you for sharing your connection with him. Cherish it and let his spirit motivate to a better way.

Sam had his show today remembering Michael. I missed it live but I’m going to check it out later.

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[HarthorneWingo]

Still want John Kasich to speak at the convention?

https://www.crainscleveland.com/government/ohio-house-speaker-larry-householder-and-four-others-arrested-federal-bribery-charges

Borges is the former head of the Ohio Republican Party and a close ally to former Gov. John Kasich.

[Clyde_Style]

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[HarthorneWingo]

From Bernie today

Bernie's introducing legislation to stop the movement toward authoritarianism and a police state in Portland and nationwide. Federal agents must wear visible IDs, be banned from making arrests in unmarked vehicles, and we must limit their ability to do uninvited crowd control.

Add your name: http://bernie.to/-police

[HarthorneWingo]

Yeah, let’s have more Republicans at the DNC Convention.

Um, I’ll take “a bunch of AOCs” in a heartbeat.

Ro Khanna
Ilhan Omar
Rashida Talib
Ayeanna Presley
Jamall Bowman
Etc.

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[GONYK]

Biden is blanketing TX with this ad:

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[Clyde_Style]

Biden is blanketing TX with this ad:

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It is going to be that simple really. Show compassion and decency is the right option for a president and for the voters.

[8516knicks]

Biden is blanketing TX with this ad:

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It is going to be that simple really. Show compassion and decency is the right option for a president and for the voters.

After 4 years of Trump and 10 of the tea party, the very appearance of empathy will be shocking!

[Clyde_Style]

Now that Trump is acting out every militia nut's (supposed) nightmare by deploying unmarked agents to pluck citizens off the street and maybe disappear them, will those right wingers own up to the truth that is fascism and is against libertarian values?

Probably not. The vast majority of them hide behind pretense that justifies their bigotry and savagery. They preach their right to bear arms, but when their supposed antipathy to government overreach extends to people of a different political affiliation I think they are fine with being silent hypocrites.

[HarthorneWingo]

Biden is blanketing TX with this ad:

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It is going to be that simple really. Show compassion and decency is the right option for a president and for the voters.

After 4 years of Trump and 10 of the tea party, the very appearance of empathy will be shocking!

And therein lies the problem for Americans who need bold help now. This is what the neoliberals want. They have us salivating for any crumbs of normalcy that we will be pacified by the same ol' diluted half-measure policies that have been the emblematic of the Party since LBJ. Wasn't Dubya a "compassionate conservative"? Anybody who falls for okey doke again, please. Obama was going to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan. Remember? How'd that work out?

"May I have please some more, sir."

"More? You want MORE??? How dare you!"

[Knick4Real]

Pulling out all the stops and trying every possible remedy is what we do in a life or death emergency. Well, we're in one with Trump. This means we have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink at him to get him out of there. So, if we have to let liberals, progressives, Republicans, or Martians speak against Trump at the convention to win then so be it.

A lot of people vote Republican just because they always have and that's all they know. They don't follow the issues the way we do. They only check the GOP box and hope they did the right thing. THOSE are the voters Kasich and the other Republicans would be attempting to sway, especially in Ohio (where Kasich is still highly respected). If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work -- but if it does work, it's a game-changer!

Now is not the time to worry about optics or if Democrats are giving their own people enough speaking time during the convention or any of that nonsense. These are not normal times. Consider this moment as if a nuclear bomb hit the U.S. and we're forced to do whatever it takes to survive -- because that's really where we are as a nation.

Defeat Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and, just like the world united to defeat Hitler, we must join forces with ANYBODY WE CAN to save our lives. We can worry about the future later once we've saved humanity and given ourselves the chance for an actual future.

[Clyde_Style]

Pulling out all the stops and trying every possible remedy is what we do in a life or death emergency. Well, we're in one with Trump. This means we have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink at him to get him out of there. So, if we have to let liberals, progressives, Republicans, or Martians speak against Trump at the convention to win then so be it.

A lot of people vote Republican just because they always have and that's all they know. They don't follow the issues the way we do. They only check the GOP box and hope they did the right thing. THOSE are the voters Kasich and the other Republicans would be attempting to sway, especially in Ohio (where Kasich is still highly respected). If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work -- but if it does work, it's a game-changer!

Now is not the time to worry about optics or if Democrats are giving their own people enough speaking time during the convention or any of that nonsense. These are not normal times. Consider this moment as if a nuclear bomb hit the U.S. and we're forced to do whatever it takes to survive -- because that's really where we are as a nation.

Defeat Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and, just like the world united to defeat Hitler, we must join forces with ANYBODY WE CAN to save our lives. We can worry about the future later once we've saved humanity and given ourselves the chance for an actual future.

Amen

Solid non-hysterical post.

[HarthorneWingo]

Pulling out all the stops and trying every possible remedy is what we do in a life or death emergency. Well, we're in one with Trump. This means we have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink at him to get him out of there. So, if we have to let liberals, progressives, Republicans, or Martians speak against Trump at the convention to win then so be it.

A lot of people vote Republican just because they always have and that's all they know. They don't follow the issues the way we do. They only check the GOP box and hope they did the right thing. THOSE are the voters Kasich and the other Republicans would be attempting to sway, especially in Ohio (where Kasich is still highly respected). If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work -- but if it does work, it's a game-changer!

Now is not the time to worry about optics or if Democrats are giving their own people enough speaking time during the convention or any of that nonsense. These are not normal times. Consider this moment as if a nuclear bomb hit the U.S. and we're forced to do whatever it takes to survive -- because that's really where we are as a nation.

Defeat Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and, just like the world united to defeat Hitler, we must join forces with ANYBODY WE CAN to save our lives. We can worry about the future later once we've saved humanity and given ourselves the chance for an actual future.

How about Kanye West? You want him up there too? Kid Rock? Oh, how about Ted Nugent.

How old are you?

[Knick4Real]

Pulling out all the stops and trying every possible remedy is what we do in a life or death emergency. Well, we're in one with Trump. This means we have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink at him to get him out of there. So, if we have to let liberals, progressives, Republicans, or Martians speak against Trump at the convention to win then so be it.

A lot of people vote Republican just because they always have and that's all they know. They don't follow the issues the way we do. They only check the GOP box and hope they did the right thing. THOSE are the voters Kasich and the other Republicans would be attempting to sway, especially in Ohio (where Kasich is still highly respected). If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work -- but if it does work, it's a game-changer!

Now is not the time to worry about optics or if Democrats are giving their own people enough speaking time during the convention or any of that nonsense. These are not normal times. Consider this moment as if a nuclear bomb hit the U.S. and we're forced to do whatever it takes to survive -- because that's really where we are as a nation.

Defeat Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and, just like the world united to defeat Hitler, we must join forces with ANYBODY WE CAN to save our lives. We can worry about the future later once we've saved humanity and given ourselves the chance for an actual future.

How about Kanye West? You want him up there too? Kid Rock? Oh, how about Ted Nugent.

How old are you?

If it'll get rid of Trump, I'll give Frosty The Snowman the mic and let him say a few words.
WHATEVER it takes in these desperate times.

And I'm older than most people on this forum. Probably 2nd oldest behind you.

[HarthorneWingo]

Pulling out all the stops and trying every possible remedy is what we do in a life or death emergency. Well, we're in one with Trump. This means we have no choice but to throw the kitchen sink at him to get him out of there. So, if we have to let liberals, progressives, Republicans, or Martians speak against Trump at the convention to win then so be it.

A lot of people vote Republican just because they always have and that's all they know. They don't follow the issues the way we do. They only check the GOP box and hope they did the right thing. THOSE are the voters Kasich and the other Republicans would be attempting to sway, especially in Ohio (where Kasich is still highly respected). If it doesn't work, then it doesn't work -- but if it does work, it's a game-changer!

Now is not the time to worry about optics or if Democrats are giving their own people enough speaking time during the convention or any of that nonsense. These are not normal times. Consider this moment as if a nuclear bomb hit the U.S. and we're forced to do whatever it takes to survive -- because that's really where we are as a nation.

Defeat Trump BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY and, just like the world united to defeat Hitler, we must join forces with ANYBODY WE CAN to save our lives. We can worry about the future later once we've saved humanity and given ourselves the chance for an actual future.

How about Kanye West? You want him up there too? Kid Rock? Oh, how about Ted Nugent.

How old are you?

If it'll get rid of Trump, I'll give Frosty The Snowman the mic and let him say a few words.
WHATEVER it takes in these desperate times.

And I'm older than most people on this forum. Probably 2nd oldest behind you.

Ha. I doubt that.

I Don’t know why you think putting up pos Republicans on our stage to exclusion of Democrats is helpful. It’s not. It actually counterproductive. Think about it.