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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Who are you voting for?

Donald Trump
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28%
Joe Biden
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60%
Howie Hawkins
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4%
Jo Jorgensen
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3%
Kanye West
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6%
 
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#301 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:19 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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Stannis wrote:When I keep playing around with the maps, I think it might come down to Wisconsin.

I think Minnesota is Trump country in 2020 tbh.


If you want to play with maps that's your prerogative. But you've been posting assertions that Trump will probably take this state and that state and Biden will win this one and lose that one and the totals will be this number.

Playing with maps does not warrant posting the kinds of predictions you've been making. Adding up a dozen separate things happening the way you think they MIGHT occur does not add up to a predictable sum total and a credible prediction.


You have to start doing it sometime. We're just 65 days from the election. When do you propose we begin looking seriously at the polls?


Oh I've done all that. 720 is fun to mess around with. But I don't go and prognosticate off of that. I think that's the job of hard core political wonks with serious statistical chops, not us bozos.

You're going to catch most of the polls by scrolling through 538's unsorted polls

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/?ex_cid=irpromo

that way you can get a feel for the variations between national and local polls and easily see the +/- on the right side

and then there is RealClearPolitics

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

between those two lists you get a good feel for the trends

I find 538's user interface much easier to read
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Post#302 » by Clyde_Style » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:27 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:The following is an email I got from Bernie Sanders/newsletter. So I don't want to here any @/*&%^$!> from anybody if Biden loses, okay?

Dear Friends,

Yes. These are crazy times. We're dealing with a pandemic, an economic meltdown, the struggle for racial justice and we're seeing the destruction caused by climate change in Iowa, California, Louisiana and Texas.

But, in the midst of all of this, we have got to remain focused, focused, focused. In 65 days the most important election in modern American history will be taking place and we have got to defeat Donald Trump. We have got to defeat him not only because he is a pathological liar, because he rejects science and because he is a racist and a xenophobe. We have got to defeat him because he is undermining American democracy and is rapidly moving this country into an authoritarian type of society, something we may never recover from.

In terms of defeating Trump, one of the issues that has not gotten the attention that it deserves is the real contrast that exists between Trump's economic agenda and the economic proposals being supported by Joe Biden. At a time when our country is struggling with the worst economic meltdown since the great depression, this is an issue of enormous consequence for tens of millions of working class families.

Let me be clear. Biden's economic agenda is not mine and does not go as far as I, and many of you, wish it would. But, on the other hand, at a time of massive and growing income and wealth inequality there is no question but that his proposals are strong and will go a long, long way toward improving life for working families.

Yesterday, I made an important speech about this issue on our social media channels. Let me summarize here what I said about Joe's plans for the economy.

Minimum Wage
When Joe Biden is president, he will increase the federal minimum wage from a starvation wage of $7.25 an hour to a living wage of $15 an hour. And let’s be clear: When we increase that minimum wage to $15 an hour we will be raising the wages of more than 40 million workers.

Unions
Joe Biden also knows that if we are going to expand the middle class in this country, we must make it easier for workers to join unions, engage in collective bargaining and end the heavy-handed corporate tactics that make it hard for workers to unionize in America.

Infrastructure
And here's something else that Joe Biden understands. And that is that, in the midst of the worst economic crisis in our lifetimes, we need to create millions of good-paying jobs through a massive investment in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure — our roads, bridges, sidewalks, schools, water systems and affordable housing.

Paid Family and Medical Leave
Like most of us, Joe Biden is embarrassed that the United States is the only major nation on earth not to guarantee paid medical and family leave. That’s why Joe has proposed at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave for working families.

Childcare
And when we talk about babies and young children, we all know that our current childcare system is totally inadequate. Our children and their parents deserve high-quality, reliable and affordable childcare. That’s why Joe has proposed universal pre-K education for every 3- and 4-year-old in the country.

Colleges
And when we talk about making sure that we have the best educated workforce in the world, Joe understands that we need to make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free for working families.

Prescription Drugs
As some of you may recall, last year I traveled to Canada with a group of diabetics to buy insulin, a life and death drug for more than 30 million Americans. And here's what we found. You can buy insulin in Canada, a few miles from our border, for 1/10th the price that it is sold here. No. You didn't mishear me. The same product, made by the same company, is sold for 1/10th the price that it's sold here. But it's not just Canada and it’s not just insulin. While the drug companies, through their collusion, price fixing and greed, make obscene profits, we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Joe Biden understands that we must take on the pharmaceutical industry and significantly lower drug prices in this country.

Health Care
As many of you know the United States is the only major country not to guarantee health care for all people. Meanwhile, despite paying almost twice as much per capita for health care as the people of other countries, over 90 million Americans are uninsured or underinsured and over half a million Americans go bankrupt because they cannot afford to pay their medical bills.

While Joe and I disagree on the best path to get to universal coverage, his proposal will greatly expand access to health care and make it more affordable for tens of millions across this country.

My friends, of course many of us wish our campaign would have won the Democratic primary. But now our first priority must be to defeat Donald Trump, the most dangerous president in modern American history.

Then, on Day 1 of the Biden administration, we will mobilize the working families of this country to demand a government that represents all of us and not just the few.

So I am asking you today to do something important — because Donald Trump and the Republican Party would love nothing more than to divide our supporters up as people start to vote. And the truth is, the corporate media would love nothing more than to write stories about how we are not united in the fight to beat Trump.

So I am asking:

Add your name: help me send a message that you are committed to voting to defeat Donald Trump this November. This is important.

We live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, but that reality means very little because almost all of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.

This November we take the first step to turn that around and to create a government that works for all of us, and not just the 1 percent.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders



OK, but I don't think anyone was ever going to hold what happens against anyone for having supported Bernie in the primaries. It was the other stuff I don't need to harp on now that was being knocked around.

But Bernie is not the issue at all. He's on board. He's worked on policy with Biden. It's all good. So whatever happens the only crap a Bernie supporter should get if something goes wrong is if they sabotaged Biden which was my beef. But I'm very happy with Bernie's stance and I hope you are too. Remember what I said when Biden went on his roll after SC. I said put on your Pretenders album and roll up your sleeves and push Bernie to collaborate which is what happened.

I appreciate what Bernie has done to work towards victory. It's a good thing.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#303 » by seren » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:18 pm

I see Trump's playbook. There is no turning back from the damage he will cause if he gets another term. My beef is with the Democratic establishment. They are still acting like all is normal. It is all games to these people. There will come a point when even Trump will not be able to stop his own base doing the real damage.

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Post#304 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:32 pm

I'm hoping Biden addresses the issues with the rioting vs the protesting, but he needs to get the conversation back on Covid.

Trump is trying to act like the pandemic isn't happening.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#305 » by j4remi » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:00 pm

GONYK wrote:I'm hoping Biden addresses the issues with the rioting vs the protesting, but he needs to get the conversation back on Covid.

Trump is trying to act like the pandemic isn't happening.


The conversation about rioting vs protesting should probably link the economic and mental strains of lockdowns and pandemic to the rioting. Tie the two together and tie it back to Trump since he's been running the country for four years and for 10 of the last 12 years the Republicans have had the legislative branch under their thumb. They shouldn't be able to fearmonger about the state of things while they've had this much control.
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Post#306 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:58 pm

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Post#307 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:04 pm

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BallSacBounce wrote:Moved this post to this thread from the Democrat Primary one.

Is this the beginning of a civil war? Scary **** man.

First Rittenhouse was stupidly chased and hunted down before defending himself with his rifle and now this.

WATCH: Man Shot and Killed in Portland Amid Riots, Civil Unrest

https://www.breitbart.com/social-justice/2020/08/29/watch-man-shot-and-killed-in-portland-amid-riots-civil-unrest/







It's getting hot, really hot.


The current occupant in the Whitehouse will never denounce violence from the right wing and his supporters, in fact he encourages it. This is what America is under Trump.

Read on Twitter


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Video of what the reporter was talking about in case you want to claim he’s lying.

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After 90 days of left wing violence, riots and looting you think the President owes us a condemnation of right wing violence? Lmao. I'll just let you stew in your own juices for awhile till you figure it out, you're losing the election.

He's going to Kenosha on Tuesday and he'll be condemning violence period by either side. Something the left has refused to do even after Senator Rand Paul and his wife were accosted outside of the RNC. I mean, good luck. Sure, right wing violence is the problem. Okey doke.


Nice strawman argument about left wing violence. Show me specifically where anyone committing violence is flying Biden signs or saying that they’re committing violence to support Biden. I’ve shown you documented evidence of Trump supporters committing acts of violence. We know the Kenosha shooter was a Trump supporter and had attended Trump rallies.

Biden has already condemned violence in general and specifically against people with differing political opinions.

Read on Twitter


See that’s not hard to do. Why is it so hard for Trump to say that his supporters should protest peacefully like the example John Lewis set out? Why has Trump encouraged violence since the 2015 campaign? Trump can speak directly to his voters and stop the violence from his supporters. And as President he can work with Governors and Mayors to stop the violence and rioting from non right wing agitators. That’s what a real leader would do.
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Post#308 » by mpharris36 » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:37 pm

I don't know where to specifically put this but this hit close to home so I figured it was relevant because a lot of people have been talking about safety and do you feel safe in this America.

This weekend alone in Bridgeport, CT a 25 year old was killed (they don't know the cause or the shooter)
Then 2 days later at the 25 year olds memorial 3 men were shot paying there respects to the 25 year old (thankfully all three victims aren't in critical condition)

then we have this..

Read on Twitter


22 year old pregnant women shot sleeping in her house. Mother and unborn baby died.

Just putting this into perspective because no chance it makes the national media but it literally was in my backyard and this happening in just one weekend in just a small little area makes you think what might happen with less pro-active policing (defunding).

And to be fair I get both sides of the argument I do. The racial profiling that comes with pro-active policing needs to be addressed 100% and I have had this discussion with JVG in the past and he has enlightened me to many different situations you wont see if you aren't in the area. So I get that. These kinda stories just get me.
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Post#309 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:49 pm

I'm thinking this is what Trump will go for... He can afford to lose Pennsylvania and Michigan. He needs Wisconsin and he has an opportunity to flip Minnesota. He will also need one of New Hampshire or Nevada to tip the scale:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/3XjZ6

As for Biden...

I still think Biden shouldn't get cocky about Pennsylvania or Michigan like Hillary did. But I think he can win them. As it gets closer, he will have to decide which states are already lost so he doesn't spread himself to thin and miss campaign time in more key states. I think AZ should be likely Biden. But I think dems and Biden should save Texas, Georgia, Ohio for another time.

I think Nevada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, New Hampshire, and Florida are the real swing states. Winning Florida will be nice and will effectively take Trump out of the race. But I'm not sure how realistic that is.

Biden will need one of Wisconsin or Minnesota to win, and one of New Hampshire or Nevada.

I think Wisconsin and New Hampshire is the safer bet:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/7w3py

I need to do more research on North Carolina though. But if Biden can manage to win that, he could afford to lose Nevada, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and Minnesota.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/o4Qj9

I do fell North Carolina is going under the radar.
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Post#310 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Trump’s popularity slips in latest Military Times poll — and more troops say they’ll vote for Biden

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08/31/as-trumps-popularity-slips-in-latest-military-times-poll-more-troops-say-theyll-vote-for-biden/

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/514418-military-times-poll-biden-holds-6-point-lead-over-trump-among-troops

This will be huge if true. The narrative from the right is that Trump is more patriotic and pro-military/troops while democrats are unamerican and have no respect for our troops (which is bs of course). If the troops don't want him, you just took that patriotism card away from him.

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Post#311 » by Pointgod » Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:59 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:The following is an email I got from Bernie Sanders/newsletter. So I don't want to here any @/*&%^$!> from anybody if Biden loses, okay?

Dear Friends,

Yes. These are crazy times. We're dealing with a pandemic, an economic meltdown, the struggle for racial justice and we're seeing the destruction caused by climate change in Iowa, California, Louisiana and Texas.

But, in the midst of all of this, we have got to remain focused, focused, focused. In 65 days the most important election in modern American history will be taking place and we have got to defeat Donald Trump. We have got to defeat him not only because he is a pathological liar, because he rejects science and because he is a racist and a xenophobe. We have got to defeat him because he is undermining American democracy and is rapidly moving this country into an authoritarian type of society, something we may never recover from.

In terms of defeating Trump, one of the issues that has not gotten the attention that it deserves is the real contrast that exists between Trump's economic agenda and the economic proposals being supported by Joe Biden. At a time when our country is struggling with the worst economic meltdown since the great depression, this is an issue of enormous consequence for tens of millions of working class families.

Let me be clear. Biden's economic agenda is not mine and does not go as far as I, and many of you, wish it would. But, on the other hand, at a time of massive and growing income and wealth inequality there is no question but that his proposals are strong and will go a long, long way toward improving life for working families.

Yesterday, I made an important speech about this issue on our social media channels. Let me summarize here what I said about Joe's plans for the economy.

Minimum Wage
When Joe Biden is president, he will increase the federal minimum wage from a starvation wage of $7.25 an hour to a living wage of $15 an hour. And let’s be clear: When we increase that minimum wage to $15 an hour we will be raising the wages of more than 40 million workers.

Unions
Joe Biden also knows that if we are going to expand the middle class in this country, we must make it easier for workers to join unions, engage in collective bargaining and end the heavy-handed corporate tactics that make it hard for workers to unionize in America.

Infrastructure
And here's something else that Joe Biden understands. And that is that, in the midst of the worst economic crisis in our lifetimes, we need to create millions of good-paying jobs through a massive investment in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure — our roads, bridges, sidewalks, schools, water systems and affordable housing.

Paid Family and Medical Leave
Like most of us, Joe Biden is embarrassed that the United States is the only major nation on earth not to guarantee paid medical and family leave. That’s why Joe has proposed at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave for working families.

Childcare
And when we talk about babies and young children, we all know that our current childcare system is totally inadequate. Our children and their parents deserve high-quality, reliable and affordable childcare. That’s why Joe has proposed universal pre-K education for every 3- and 4-year-old in the country.

Colleges
And when we talk about making sure that we have the best educated workforce in the world, Joe understands that we need to make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free for working families.

Prescription Drugs
As some of you may recall, last year I traveled to Canada with a group of diabetics to buy insulin, a life and death drug for more than 30 million Americans. And here's what we found. You can buy insulin in Canada, a few miles from our border, for 1/10th the price that it is sold here. No. You didn't mishear me. The same product, made by the same company, is sold for 1/10th the price that it's sold here. But it's not just Canada and it’s not just insulin. While the drug companies, through their collusion, price fixing and greed, make obscene profits, we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Joe Biden understands that we must take on the pharmaceutical industry and significantly lower drug prices in this country.

Health Care
As many of you know the United States is the only major country not to guarantee health care for all people. Meanwhile, despite paying almost twice as much per capita for health care as the people of other countries, over 90 million Americans are uninsured or underinsured and over half a million Americans go bankrupt because they cannot afford to pay their medical bills.

While Joe and I disagree on the best path to get to universal coverage, his proposal will greatly expand access to health care and make it more affordable for tens of millions across this country.

My friends, of course many of us wish our campaign would have won the Democratic primary. But now our first priority must be to defeat Donald Trump, the most dangerous president in modern American history.

Then, on Day 1 of the Biden administration, we will mobilize the working families of this country to demand a government that represents all of us and not just the few.

So I am asking you today to do something important — because Donald Trump and the Republican Party would love nothing more than to divide our supporters up as people start to vote. And the truth is, the corporate media would love nothing more than to write stories about how we are not united in the fight to beat Trump.

So I am asking:

Add your name: help me send a message that you are committed to voting to defeat Donald Trump this November. This is important.

We live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, but that reality means very little because almost all of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.

This November we take the first step to turn that around and to create a government that works for all of us, and not just the 1 percent.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders



This is an example of true leadership. I know that Bernie’s group did a lot new voter registration, especially young voters and latinos. Hopefully there’s work being done to mobilize these voters as well.
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Post#312 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:46 pm

Pointgod wrote:
HarthorneWingo wrote:The following is an email I got from Bernie Sanders/newsletter. So I don't want to here any @/*&%^$!> from anybody if Biden loses, okay?

Dear Friends,

Yes. These are crazy times. We're dealing with a pandemic, an economic meltdown, the struggle for racial justice and we're seeing the destruction caused by climate change in Iowa, California, Louisiana and Texas.

But, in the midst of all of this, we have got to remain focused, focused, focused. In 65 days the most important election in modern American history will be taking place and we have got to defeat Donald Trump. We have got to defeat him not only because he is a pathological liar, because he rejects science and because he is a racist and a xenophobe. We have got to defeat him because he is undermining American democracy and is rapidly moving this country into an authoritarian type of society, something we may never recover from.

In terms of defeating Trump, one of the issues that has not gotten the attention that it deserves is the real contrast that exists between Trump's economic agenda and the economic proposals being supported by Joe Biden. At a time when our country is struggling with the worst economic meltdown since the great depression, this is an issue of enormous consequence for tens of millions of working class families.

Let me be clear. Biden's economic agenda is not mine and does not go as far as I, and many of you, wish it would. But, on the other hand, at a time of massive and growing income and wealth inequality there is no question but that his proposals are strong and will go a long, long way toward improving life for working families.

Yesterday, I made an important speech about this issue on our social media channels. Let me summarize here what I said about Joe's plans for the economy.

Minimum Wage
When Joe Biden is president, he will increase the federal minimum wage from a starvation wage of $7.25 an hour to a living wage of $15 an hour. And let’s be clear: When we increase that minimum wage to $15 an hour we will be raising the wages of more than 40 million workers.

Unions
Joe Biden also knows that if we are going to expand the middle class in this country, we must make it easier for workers to join unions, engage in collective bargaining and end the heavy-handed corporate tactics that make it hard for workers to unionize in America.

Infrastructure
And here's something else that Joe Biden understands. And that is that, in the midst of the worst economic crisis in our lifetimes, we need to create millions of good-paying jobs through a massive investment in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure — our roads, bridges, sidewalks, schools, water systems and affordable housing.

Paid Family and Medical Leave
Like most of us, Joe Biden is embarrassed that the United States is the only major nation on earth not to guarantee paid medical and family leave. That’s why Joe has proposed at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave for working families.

Childcare
And when we talk about babies and young children, we all know that our current childcare system is totally inadequate. Our children and their parents deserve high-quality, reliable and affordable childcare. That’s why Joe has proposed universal pre-K education for every 3- and 4-year-old in the country.

Colleges
And when we talk about making sure that we have the best educated workforce in the world, Joe understands that we need to make public colleges, universities and trade schools tuition-free for working families.

Prescription Drugs
As some of you may recall, last year I traveled to Canada with a group of diabetics to buy insulin, a life and death drug for more than 30 million Americans. And here's what we found. You can buy insulin in Canada, a few miles from our border, for 1/10th the price that it is sold here. No. You didn't mishear me. The same product, made by the same company, is sold for 1/10th the price that it's sold here. But it's not just Canada and it’s not just insulin. While the drug companies, through their collusion, price fixing and greed, make obscene profits, we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Joe Biden understands that we must take on the pharmaceutical industry and significantly lower drug prices in this country.

Health Care
As many of you know the United States is the only major country not to guarantee health care for all people. Meanwhile, despite paying almost twice as much per capita for health care as the people of other countries, over 90 million Americans are uninsured or underinsured and over half a million Americans go bankrupt because they cannot afford to pay their medical bills.

While Joe and I disagree on the best path to get to universal coverage, his proposal will greatly expand access to health care and make it more affordable for tens of millions across this country.

My friends, of course many of us wish our campaign would have won the Democratic primary. But now our first priority must be to defeat Donald Trump, the most dangerous president in modern American history.

Then, on Day 1 of the Biden administration, we will mobilize the working families of this country to demand a government that represents all of us and not just the few.

So I am asking you today to do something important — because Donald Trump and the Republican Party would love nothing more than to divide our supporters up as people start to vote. And the truth is, the corporate media would love nothing more than to write stories about how we are not united in the fight to beat Trump.

So I am asking:

Add your name: help me send a message that you are committed to voting to defeat Donald Trump this November. This is important.

We live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world, but that reality means very little because almost all of that wealth is controlled by a tiny handful of individuals.

This November we take the first step to turn that around and to create a government that works for all of us, and not just the 1 percent.

In solidarity,

Bernie Sanders



This is an example of true leadership. I know that Bernie’s group did a lot new voter registration, especially young voters and latinos. Hopefully there’s work being done to mobilize these voters as well.



Bernie can only do so much. This is on Biden and the DNC. Biden has no troops on the ground. Biden is doing nothing but talking about the "fight for the soul of the country" is a problem. The race is tightening up and he can't just sit back and still expect to win. The enthusiasm factor still matters and there is little enthusiasm for Joe Biden.
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Post#313 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:49 pm

j4remi wrote:
GONYK wrote:I'm hoping Biden addresses the issues with the rioting vs the protesting, but he needs to get the conversation back on Covid.

Trump is trying to act like the pandemic isn't happening.


The conversation about rioting vs protesting should probably link the economic and mental strains of lockdowns and pandemic to the rioting. Tie the two together and tie it back to Trump since he's been running the country for four years and for 10 of the last 12 years the Republicans have had the legislative branch under their thumb. They shouldn't be able to fearmonger about the state of things while they've had this much control.


He's doing exactly that
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Post#314 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:55 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#315 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:56 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#316 » by GONYK » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:04 pm

That was an excellent speech (starts at 15:30 mark)

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#317 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:12 pm

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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#318 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:36 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Stannis wrote:
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Not sure...
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#319 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:38 pm

lol Biden is using extortion now apparently

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It's a good way to spin it, I must admit.

Fact still remains though, this is Trump's America.
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Re: 2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome) 

Post#320 » by Stannis » Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:41 pm

I love this side of Joe Biden. Keep them coming:

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