2019-2020 College/Draft thread X [marks the spot] (Knicks own #8 pick, 11/18 DRAFT)

[god shammgod]

the heat won 1 game because butler went for 40 and the lakers took their foot off the gas in that game. like they did once in every series. they got lazy. ad took only 9 shots in that game. they didn't lose because of matchups. that's a joke. if they only started kelly olynyk they would have swept the lakers

[knickstape4ever]

to all the Wiseman supporters/Mitch detractors:

how is Wiseman's offensive game not a projection?

In high school, he wasn't efficient outside the paint, nor was he a good FT shooter. In college he only took 3 shots outside the paint (only 1 made)

Sure, Wiseman does seem to have better form and has an off the dribble game, but all you Wiseman supporters talk about him like he's a already a all-around offensive threat, but he isn't that yet, and it's not a given he will become that

I dont think the difference between the Wiseman and Mitch in terms of winning impact will be much different. There's something to be said about efficiency, and Mitch is elite in that area. W/ his elite rim running ability and his elite verticality, the defense is always going to have to tag him in the paint or risk the lob.

NoDopeOnSunday's: you keep point to how Mitch would be ineffective in the playoffs vs. zone. But I dont think that is true w/ Mitch's ability to get more vertical than just about anyone on the court. Or, Mitch can work the baseline (an area often left unguarded vs. zone defense) and be lob threat that way, assuming we have a lead ball handler that can get paint touches

I actually really like Wiseman, he's my #3 prospect in the draft, but I also value Mitch very highly because he plays winning basketball w/ his ability to protect the rim and be a high efficiency offensive player. He's been pretty damn impressive considering we haven't had passable PG play.

Also, how much do you all really think Mitch will get paid? I highly doubt he gets the max. Not many teams need a C

[god shammgod]

p.s. bam's problem more than not shooting 3s is that he's 6'9 and you can put lebron on him and he's pretty much the same size

[moocow007]

At least 2. And before you say “such a small sample size” I’m just going to say that that point is moot. He took those same types of shots in all of high school so it’s not like it’s something new. And in those 3 games he played to his strengths and dominated the paint like he was supposed to do. If he took more jumpers you guys would be crying about how he’s soft and is not dominating like we expected him to do.

First off, no I would not be saying that

Second off, that's literally my point. You can't at the same time say Wiseman has a post game cause of high school and two shots in college but Mitch's shooting in high school doesn't count because it's high school. I'm saying neither count because it's high school

Wiseman may have a post game, but we don't know because we didn't see enough of him. He may have a shot, but we don't know because we didn't see enough of him

I still have him as a top 2 player, but he's still very much a question mark for what he can or can't do on offense because he didn't get the time to showcase himself. I think he has the highest floor of anyone in the draft, but I can't tell if he has the ceiling because of how little he played.

Mitch only shot wide open jumpers in high school. And not much of them. He is still the same exact player he was in high school to now besides not shooting a wide open jumper every once in a while. That's literally it.

I just don't see how there's a lack of faith in Wiseman's offense when he did show off an advanced game muuuuuuuuuuuuch more times than someone like Mitch ever has. And that's in high school and college combined. We'll just have to agree to disagree I suppose. I personally have been following Wiseman since he was in high school so I believe in him more than people who has only seen him in college.

Wiseman can score. I'm really not sure why folks are saying he can't. Just because he's not going to be shooting 3s regularly doesn't mean he can't score or that bigs in general that can't hit a lot of 3s can't score. I'm not getting it. This whole 3 thing has made people nuts.

Joel Embiid has shot 31% from 3. He does take more 3s than most Cs but he's a highly inefficient 3 point shooter and most coaches would likely rather he doesn't shoot the 3 and instead rely on his strength which is using his strength, size, athleticism to score closer to the basket. I get the sense that folks are actually dreaming that Embiid is a stretch 5? Hes not. Hes a 5 that shoots more 3s than he has any right to.

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[RHODEY]

At least 2. And before you say “such a small sample size” I’m just going to say that that point is moot. He took those same types of shots in all of high school so it’s not like it’s something new. And in those 3 games he played to his strengths and dominated the paint like he was supposed to do. If he took more jumpers you guys would be crying about how he’s soft and is not dominating like we expected him to do.

First off, no I would not be saying that

Second off, that's literally my point. You can't at the same time say Wiseman has a post game cause of high school and two shots in college but Mitch's shooting in high school doesn't count because it's high school. I'm saying neither count because it's high school

Wiseman may have a post game, but we don't know because we didn't see enough of him. He may have a shot, but we don't know because we didn't see enough of him

I still have him as a top 2 player, but he's still very much a question mark for what he can or can't do on offense because he didn't get the time to showcase himself. I think he has the highest floor of anyone in the draft, but I can't tell if he has the ceiling because of how little he played.

Mitch only shot wide open jumpers in high school. And not much of them. He is still the same exact player he was in high school to now besides not shooting a wide open jumper every once in a while. That's literally it.

I just don't see how there's a lack of faith in Wiseman's offense when he did show off an advanced game muuuuuuuuuuuuch more times than someone like Mitch ever has. And that's in high school and college combined. We'll just have to agree to disagree I suppose. I personally have been following Wiseman since he was in high school so I believe in him more than people who has only seen him in college.

Mitch just started playing organized ball in High school and had less College experience than even Wiseman, I believe just based on that he's got a lot more growth left in his game.

[DaGawd]

GB send to mostly think Knicks packaging Mitch and 8 for 2 is a good deal for us

[WargamesX]

GB send to mostly think Knicks packaging Mitch and 8 for 2 is a good deal for us

Thank God we all know their opinions are trash

[robillionaire]

GB send to mostly think Knicks packaging Mitch and 8 for 2 is a good deal for us

it is a good deal for us, so good that it would probably not be offered

[DaGawd]

GB send to mostly think Knicks packaging Mitch and 8 for 2 is a good deal for us

Thank God we all know their opinions are trash

Idk.. our youth is kinda meh.. All of them.. If we think we can confidently draft a franchise talent at 2 we gotta explot it. Quality over quantity when it comes to youth

[god shammgod]

According to Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic, new president of basketball operations Leon Rose will commit to improve the Knicks’ roster without giving up RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson.

“I’m going to start with these qualifiers for the Knicks: I think they will spend this offseason trying to get better in 2020-21; I don’t know how they do it; and my assumption is that no one but RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson is safe,” Vorkunov wrote in his latest piece

https://theathletic.com/2116444/2020/10/08/lets-fire-up-the-trade-machine-for-the-knicks-and-see-what-we-can-pull-off/

me looking at melo when mitch is still here and dennis and randle are traded

[3toheadmelo]

GB send to mostly think Knicks packaging Mitch and 8 for 2 is a good deal for us

It's true. One of them even said what most Knicks fans don't want to hear.

If their intention is to draft Wiseman, they should definitely do it. Mitchell Robinson is a nice player with potential but he's always going to be limited on the offensive end. Mitchell would be a nice complementary player on a winning team, but he's a DeAndre Jordan or Rudy Gobert at best. The Knicks seriously need someone to build around and Wiseman is the only guy in the top three that I see superstar potential in. Wiseman has a lot of work to do right now, but he has the potential to be an elite two-way player

[thebuzzardman]

I hope the Knicks trade Mitch and #8 to GSW for LaMelo, and LaMelo busts, Mitch becomes an all star, and their 8th pick is an all star too.

That is all.
Carry on.

[thebuzzardman]

Oh, and Frank needs to wind up on the Mavericks.

[thebuzzardman]

And then RJ tears his ACL

[thebuzzardman]

And the Knicks max out Randle with a 5 year deal

[god shammgod]

jesus

[thebuzzardman]

And throw a bag of money at Elfrid Payton.

[3toheadmelo]

According to Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic, new president of basketball operations Leon Rose will commit to improve the Knicks’ roster without giving up RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson.

“I’m going to start with these qualifiers for the Knicks: I think they will spend this offseason trying to get better in 2020-21; I don’t know how they do it; and my assumption is that no one but RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson is safe,” Vorkunov wrote in his latest piece

https://theathletic.com/2116444/2020/10/08/lets-fire-up-the-trade-machine-for-the-knicks-and-see-what-we-can-pull-off/

me looking at melo when mitch is still here and dennis and randle are traded

Your boy Trier couldn't even last longer in the NBA than DSJ/Frank. Get outta here

[god shammgod]

According to Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic, new president of basketball operations Leon Rose will commit to improve the Knicks’ roster without giving up RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson.

“I’m going to start with these qualifiers for the Knicks: I think they will spend this offseason trying to get better in 2020-21; I don’t know how they do it; and my assumption is that no one but RJ Barrett and Mitchell Robinson is safe,” Vorkunov wrote in his latest piece

https://theathletic.com/2116444/2020/10/08/lets-fire-up-the-trade-machine-for-the-knicks-and-see-what-we-can-pull-off/

me looking at melo when mitch is still here and dennis and randle are traded

Your boy Trier couldn't even last longer in the NBA than DSJ/Frank. Get outta here

the turkey story was false

[robillionaire]

And throw a bag of money at Elfrid Payton.

none of this phases me. losing all hope is freedom