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Re: Knicks - Hawks PG: This is what effort looks like 

Post#301 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:31 am

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KnixtapeH20 wrote:You wilding bro. What? Burks defense and impact was felt all game long. Yea he handsome turnovers and missed some shots, I'll take that every game.

Burks is not a good defender

Y'all getting fooled the same way y'all thought Elfrid was a good defender.

Burks is a much better defender than Elfraud. He doesn't just die on every screen.

You can make the case he's better defensively than RJ too, although I'd say they're about equal. He's miles better than Kemba, Fournier and Rose.

On offense he's more versatile and more efficient than RJ, more dynamic than Fournier, can play on and off the ball, although he can have tunnel vision and make silly turnovers. He's still one of our 3 best offensive players.

He's one of our few players who are good in their roles. The Knicks would be a better team if he played more minutes. Same with IQ.
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Post#302 » by Jose7 » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:26 pm

so refreshing not watching randle pound the ball every damn possession...

now if Kemba can be more aggressive and just play his game instead of deferring to point randle.
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Post#303 » by HEZI » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:34 pm

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Randle would have caught that, jab stepped and then taken a step back mid range

I’m just kidding we know Randle can’t make that catch

Kidding again, Randle isn’t sprinting up the floor like that to even be in position for that catch
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Re: Knicks - Hawks PG: This is what effort looks like 

Post#304 » by duetta » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:46 pm

The date when GMs can trade newly signed players is nearly upon us. If I were Knick management, I would take careful notice of the defensive play of Grimes, IQ, and even Sims. We need to have defenders out there at all times. Seeing Grimes right in the face of Young last night was incredibly exciting. This team needs defensive stoppers - and we have to find minutes for them.
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Post#305 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:51 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:
K-DOT wrote:
KnixtapeH20 wrote:You wilding bro. What? Burks defense and impact was felt all game long. Yea he handsome turnovers and missed some shots, I'll take that every game.

Burks is not a good defender

Y'all getting fooled the same way y'all thought Elfrid was a good defender.

Burks is a much better defender than Elfraud. He doesn't just die on every screen.

You can make the case he's better defensively than RJ too, although I'd say they're about equal. He's miles better than Kemba, Fournier and Rose.

On offense he's more versatile and more efficient than RJ, more dynamic than Fournier, can play on and off the ball, although he can have tunnel vision and make silly turnovers. He's still one of our 3 best offensive players.

He's one of our few players who are good in their roles. The Knicks would be a better team if he played more minutes. Same with IQ.


Knick fans are reluctant to admit it, but Burks is a better player than RJ. I mean, on the one hand he should be, being 10 years older. And I'm fully aware that when Burks' minutes goes up, so does his tendency to start missing, or at least get streaky and force stuff. But even with all that, he's better.
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Post#306 » by Ray Williams » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:16 pm

Angryfatboy wrote:
god shammgod wrote:the reason they won't start iq is because kemba aint gonna play with rose so he becomes 3rd string. bad gming is forcing us to bad lineup decisions.


IQ
Evan
Barret
Randle
Mitch

Rose
Grimes
Burks
Obi
Noel

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The way it should but will never be:

IQ
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Obi
Mitch

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Randle
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Post#307 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:28 pm

missed the game but it looks like the sham curse strikes again since he wanted us to lose lol
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Post#308 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:34 pm

3toheadmelo wrote:missed the game but it looks like the sham curse strikes again since he wanted us to lose lol


no. the melo curse wasn't in effect and we won. everyone knows the truth.
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Post#309 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:37 pm

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robillionaire wrote:
god shammgod wrote:team iq with the win. never go against the sham. no melo in the game thread. we know who the curse is.


You wanted us to lose so it’s still you :lol:


Also was pumping there Nets. Terrible, cursed person.

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Post#310 » by 3toheadmelo » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:38 pm

god shammgod wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:missed the game but it looks like the sham curse strikes again since he wanted us to lose lol


no. the melo curse wasn't in effect and we won. everyone knows the truth.

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Post#311 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:40 pm

BugginOut wrote:Really like what I’m seeing from Grimes so far. As a rookie his defense is already legit which is huge for his development. Plus his release is so quick and pure. Best looking jumper on the team.

His floor is already a rotational 3&D guy, which is huge as we continue to build out the roster where we might need to trade some depth for a star player.
We'll hate him by next year.

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Post#312 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:43 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Only weakness I see is that CP3 will have retire eventually....
I don't think pepple have been following the Suns. There was nothing remarkable or shameful about that loss.

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I agree but sometimes a little schadenfreude goes a long way. Anyhow, the Suns are cooking on all cylinders right now. Fck Chris Paul.
I was talking about the handwringing for the Knicks loss. They got beat by a legit finalist team whi has been steamrolling the league.

They are rightvthere with GSW.

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Post#313 » by prophet_of_rage » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:52 pm

NYKat wrote:I get the feeling we’re going to compare our starters vs. Phoenix and our bench vs. Atlanta and draw conclusions that the starting lineup is broken and the bench unit is perfect… this is no apples to apples…

Many people are ignoring the offensive progress our regular starting unit is slowly but currently making.

The Kemba/Randle pick and roll is slowly becoming more effective and the Randle/Fournier two man game is currently functioning at the levels it was at the beginning of the season. Once RJ/Mitch revive their penetration/lob game I could see the starting unit clicking on all cylinders within the next 3-5 games.

I just don’t think the fanbase has patience for that.
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Post#314 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:55 pm

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Chanel Bomber wrote:
K-DOT wrote:Burks is not a good defender

Y'all getting fooled the same way y'all thought Elfrid was a good defender.

Burks is a much better defender than Elfraud. He doesn't just die on every screen.

You can make the case he's better defensively than RJ too, although I'd say they're about equal. He's miles better than Kemba, Fournier and Rose.

On offense he's more versatile and more efficient than RJ, more dynamic than Fournier, can play on and off the ball, although he can have tunnel vision and make silly turnovers. He's still one of our 3 best offensive players.

He's one of our few players who are good in their roles. The Knicks would be a better team if he played more minutes. Same with IQ.


Knick fans are reluctant to admit it, but Burks is a better player than RJ. I mean, on the one hand he should be, being 10 years older. And I'm fully aware that when Burks' minutes goes up, so does his tendency to start missing, or at least get streaky and force stuff. But even with all that, he's better.


As soon as I posted in the GT that Burks was being selfish and sloppy he went on a tear. He’d be a borderline star if he could clean up his game a little more, but then he might no longer be himself
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Post#315 » by Clyde_Style » Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:58 pm

Trade Randle and commit to the youth movement
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Post#316 » by DickGrayson » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:05 pm

Alec Burks never averaged double digit points until his 3rd season in Utah and spent most of his career being a net negative on the court(way worse over players you dramatically cry about). He was never a good defender in Utah. His defense is average at best right now because he has Robinson/Noel behind him for when he gets beat. You can't even make a list of players Burks has "shut down" with his defense, so stop acting like he can clamp dudes up. Burks defense...if it was so great, why did Utah fans for multiple seasons begged management to ship Burks away? Most Jazz fans were pissed when they resigned him and he didnt live up to his contract. Burks did absolutely nothing for us in the playoffs.

career in the playoffs:
10 ppg
39% FG
32% 3PT

Burks is fine where he is now. A reserve off the bench on limited minutes. We win one game with Burks starting and dramaboys, want to proclaim Burks the franchise player of this team. :lol: Mental.

RJ in his 3rd year is light years ahead of Burks in his 3rd year and overall RIGHT NOW despite RJ's slump
RJ shot 40% in his SOPHMORE season on 17 ppg and good defense.
It took Burks 5 seasons to become that kind of shooter and his defense was very ass in his 5th year.


a developing 21 year old who averaging 6 rebounds per game, dropped a career high (higher than Burks goofy)

RJ will be a better defender as the season comes along. His potential is CLEARLY there and you guys eat too much within 20 games. Do you guys even watch games at this point or just check scoreboards? RJ constantly fighting over screens and his strength has been an asset.



the end this debate comes by asking the forum who they would rather have if their shooting % average out through the season.
It's easy to claim "Burks is better" because RJ is shooting below his career averages. But if you project RJ to stay around 39% shooting, obviously the K2 consumption is real in your life and you need serious help.

RJ will have a long season to drop multiple 30 point games. His numbers will be normalized and so will Burks. It's not even close. RJ is a legit corner stone of this franchise at age 21 and Alec Burks is just a reserve who can be easily replaced.


People take small sample sizes and want to run a non-sensible take. At best, Alec Burks is Tim Hardaway Jr with less offense slightly better defense, but not good enough defense to say he's "good".

What will put RJ ahead of Burks always is RJ has very active hands and feet. Plus has strength to absorb bumps on picks, where as Burks get devoured for free. RJ had one of the best plu-minus in defensive ratings at his position last year(way larger sample size than 20 games)

RJ was drafted into a system that matches his skill-set...Burks was sign to be a reserve.

Imagine if we had a situation like Jimmy Butler or Paul George who took a while to develop (longer than RJ), bussychild would of raged over a few losses and streaky games and proclaimed someone like Burks is better right now without considering skillset.
K2 consumption is dangerous and I invite you guys to use post like that as an example on why to never experiment with drugs. RJ is still 5 years from his prime. Butler wasn't even in the NBA at age 21. RJ already has 3 seasons on his belt. RJ was holding guys to 35-40% in the season and bussy was quiet af. When RJ comes back and does it again, you'll know who will get quiet. Fake Knick fans giving up on a 21 year old :lol: :lol:
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Post#318 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:12 pm

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sham told y'all last year. you guys tried to bench him after the first 2 weeks of the season. sad. really horrible people.
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Post#319 » by god shammgod » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:18 pm

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Post#320 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:23 pm

Randle had 55 touches, he averages 75 per game and was at 83 per game last year. The less touches for him means the guards have the ball more, he should never have more than 50-55 touches per game.

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