Jalen Brunson obsession

[RHODEY]

Is it because Obi has value? Do you think Brunson has more value that Randle? Do you think Randle could get us Brunson? It says a lot about the guy you've been backing that you keep claiming him while no one is willing to take him.

Yes Obi has value. We can trick teams into thinking he’s a stud PF when in reality he’s just a energy big off the bench. And also the Knicks aren’t trading Randle.

I get the Knicks aren't trading Randle. I don't get how anyone would be pleased about it. Or that they would sign off on trading a better product he's been blocking, to watch him choose when he wants to play his best ball. Also, you're not tricking anyone into anything because he'd likely prosper on a team that gives him an opportunity like all of the other teams not named the Knicks have done with their talent. In fact, the only team being tricked is the one who gave a contract extension to a guy who FINALLY, in his seventh year, became and All-Star and lead an organization to believe he was All-NBA material long term...only to take the next year off, and destroy team morale.

I never got that memo.

[BBALLER4FR]

Yes Obi has value. We can trick teams into thinking he’s a stud PF when in reality he’s just a energy big off the bench. And also the Knicks aren’t trading Randle.

I get the Knicks aren't trading Randle. I don't get how anyone would be pleased about it. Or that they would sign off on trading a better product he's been blocking, to watch him choose when he wants to play his best ball. Also, you're not tricking anyone into anything because he'd likely prosper on a team that gives him an opportunity like all of the other teams not named the Knicks have done with their talent. In fact, the only team being tricked is the one who gave a contract extension to a guy who FINALLY, in his seventh year, became and All-Star and lead an organization to believe he was All-NBA material long term...only to take the next year off, and destroy team morale.

I never got that memo.

This season's rotations, Thib's post-game interviews, Leon's season ending interview and seeing Randle sitting with brass in Dallas solidified it for me. They are knickleheads.

[RHODEY]

I get the Knicks aren't trading Randle. I don't get how anyone would be pleased about it. Or that they would sign off on trading a better product he's been blocking, to watch him choose when he wants to play his best ball. Also, you're not tricking anyone into anything because he'd likely prosper on a team that gives him an opportunity like all of the other teams not named the Knicks have done with their talent. In fact, the only team being tricked is the one who gave a contract extension to a guy who FINALLY, in his seventh year, became and All-Star and lead an organization to believe he was All-NBA material long term...only to take the next year off, and destroy team morale.

I never got that memo.

This season, Leon's interview and seeing Randle sitting with brass in Dallas solidified it for me. They are knickleheads.

The interview seemed pretty non committal to me...A damning sign. Him sitting with brass...not sure what to make of that. He's from Dallas so maybe they try to move him there as a favor.

[Jimmit79]

I think a RJ for Brunson trade would be great Knicks get a better player for 80/4 compared to paying RJ 181/5 win win situation.

[BBALLER4FR]

I never got that memo.

This season, Leon's interview and seeing Randle sitting with brass in Dallas solidified it for me. They are knickleheads.

The interview seemed pretty non committal to me...A damning sing. Him sitting with brass...not sure what to make of that. He's from Dallas so maybe they try to move him there as a favor.

Maybe. But given this organization and how it moves, I'm erring on Randle being here. If Randle is still here next season, we planned it that way. Why do I say that? Because for all Randle's flaws, the Knicks could offer him back to his home town where he plays well and attach a player Thibs has kept in a reserve role in favor of Alec-freaking-Burkes (Quickly) and EASILY get that deal done. Other than that, I can't think of a single team that could use Randle.

[Reign23]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

[Reign23]

Knick fans: This team sucks
Knick fans when any attempt to upgrade the team is brought up: That guy isn't good enough for the Knicks.

every.single.time.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

I love the turn the thread has taken as people who didn't really watch him play but had opinions on him now see that he's good player in his own right

[Capn'O]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

I would have supported targeting him if we had the money.

[whocares1]

Comparing a playoff game to the last regular season game?

That is why sports fans hate us lol.

I guess you missed the part and comparison where I said for 2.2 Million a year. Big difference between 20 and 2. If we paying 20 plus should be an all star.

Regardless you compared the two situations and the differences far outweigh the similarities to even fathom a comparison. Like it’s not even remotely close and 20 million isn’t an all star anymore. All stars make more than that.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Knick fans: This team sucks
Knick fans when any attempt to upgrade the team is brought up: That guy isn't good enough for the Knicks.

every.single.time.

It's usually the cost involved in the players for where the team is at the time. For me anyway. I see many saying Brunson wants too much money. I have no horse in the race because I don't watch Brunson play unless he plays us. He never really caught my eye then so .. whatever.

This team needs to stop skipping steps. Period. If the roster construction and cap space would make any kind of sense...then we could build off of that. We keep ignoring the lottery when we should focus on it. So we have weaker shots at star talent on that path to add to. We max out 3rd or 4th option players before we have any stars to pair them with. Fill out the roster with vets no one wants. Then we talk about trading for stars with youth we don't properly showcase because we use washed vets to chase the play in games...AND FAIL. Then our draft/trade stock is weaker as a result. Rinse and repeat.

This is another perfect year to commit to the youth and clear the cap for future moves. If the kids are truly bad ..we have our own picks to benefit from. If they are too good to tank with....they have great trade value or can be kept and added to. Players will see a decent foundation and may want to come play with them. It's the best path to take given the current landscape of the league.

Randle burned out his value with his antics IMO. The rest of the vets should never have been signed honestly. So... that's the big problem here. Will the team erase their mistakes? Probably not.

As for Brunson...get back to me when there are actual trade talks or even rumors of what the deal would look like. Then I'll comment. I'm not discussing fantasy trades/contracts in my spare time. Especially not when people want Dame and Beal making 100mil per. Not a subliminal shot at chanel. Others were down with it too.

[moocow007]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

- Julius Randle was without question the best player on the 4th seed in the east last year
- (At that time) Randle had gotten better every year (don't need more proof than MIP)
- Every one of Randles years has been better than Brunson's years (through the best year of their career)
- Just about every PG available would be an upgrade in our position of need too
- He cant play off the ball cause the Knicks need him to play on the ball more so than most any other team in the NBA
- He's a career 37% shooter from 3 on limited attempts per game (just 2.7 3's attempted a game) so I wouldn't exactly call him a "shooter"
- 5 years $125 million type of contract is no 'sure thing' for a guy that has had one real good year that so happens to be a contract year in his entire NBA career

Doesn't mean he's crap. Doesn't mean it may not be worth it for the Knicks to push hard for him. But he's not anywhere an easy answer to fix what ails the Knicks that some people are making him out to be. Reality is that other than a handful of games in 4 years has he actually even started at the point. And yet we want to think about investing a big contract on him to be the starting PG for a team that needs their starting PG to do a whole heck of a lot than he's every really shown he can do?

[cgmw]

Knick fans: This team sucks
Knick fans when any attempt to upgrade the team is brought up: That guy isn't good enough for the Knicks.

every.single.time.

It's usually the cost involved in the players for where the team is at the time. For me anyway. I see many saying Brunson wants too much money. I have no horse in the race because I don't watch Brunson play unless he plays us. He never really caught my eye then so .. whatever.

This team needs to stop skipping steps. Period. If the roster construction and cap space would make any kind of sense...then we could build off of that. We keep ignoring the lottery when we should focus on it. So we have weaker shots at star talent on that path to add to. We max out 3rd or 4th option players before we have any stars to pair them with. Fill out the roster with vets no one wants. Then we talk about trading for stars with youth we don't properly showcase because we use washed vets to chase the play in games...AND FAIL. Then our draft/trade stock is weaker as a result. Rinse and repeat.

This is another perfect year to commit to the youth and clear the cap for future moves. If the kids are truly bad ..we have our own picks to benefit from. If they are too good to tank with....they have great trade value or can be kept and added to. Players will see a decent foundation and may want to come play with them. It's the best path to take given the current landscape of the league.

Randle burned out his value with his antics IMO. The rest of the vets should never have been signed honestly. So... that's the big problem here. Will the team erase their mistakes? Probably not.

As for Brunson...get back to me when there are actual trade talks or even rumors of what the deal would look like. Then I'll comment. I'm not discussing fantasy trades/contracts in my spare time. Especially not when people want Dame and Beal making 100mil per. Not a subliminal shot at chanel. Others were down with it too.

You speak perfect sense. Totally logical. Should be abundantly obvious to all observers by now that you’re correct.

Problem is:

Thibs: Tonight’s late-season game after we’ve been eliminated is a “must win;” therefore Alec Burks starts.

Wally (aka MSG Network): Tonight’s game is “absolutely crucial” if only to “build culture.”

Dolan will keep paying these clowns if they make it look like they’re squeezing lemonade out of the lemons he gives them. If only so Dolan can deny that he’s a big fat unattractive wart of a lemon.

Brock Aller can try to explain it to them, but he’s pushing boulder’s uphill. The Dolan organization will always opt for appearance over substance, and short-term hype over longterm intelligence.

Leon’s main job is to manage the pressure to trade the yutes as long as he can. He’ll be fired within 18 months of his signature trade if it doesn’t work immediately.

[Reign23]

why does this board always nitpick on every single player that is not top 5 in the league?
- Brunson is arguably the 2nd best player on the 5th seed in the west
- he got better every year
- he fills our biggest positional need
- he can shoot so he can play off the ball too.
people don't get that you have to be a decent playoff team to be interesting for stars who are FA or demanding a trade. you don't go from 0 to 100. build a team.

i just quote myself from page 1.

- Julius Randle was without question the best player on the 4th seed in the east last year
- (At that time) Randle had gotten better every year (don't need more proof than MIP)
- Every one of Randles years has been better than Brunson's years
- Just about every PG available would be an upgrade in our position of need too
- He cant play off the ball cause the Knicks need him to play on the ball more so than most any other team in the NBA
- He's a career 37% shooter from 3 on limited attempts per game (just 2.7 3's attempted a game) so I wouldn't exactly call him a "shooter"
- 5 years $125 million type of contract is no 'sure thing' for a guy that has had one real good year that so happens to be a contract year in his entire NBA career

1. what? he was better in his NO season then in his first knicks one
2. this season from brunson is so much better than Randles season, don't even know what to say really
3. he can, tho
4. I would 100% pay him that. you have to pay money if you want good players.

[moocow007]

i just quote myself from page 1.

- Julius Randle was without question the best player on the 4th seed in the east last year
- (At that time) Randle had gotten better every year (don't need more proof than MIP)
- Every one of Randles years has been better than Brunson's years
- Just about every PG available would be an upgrade in our position of need too
- He cant play off the ball cause the Knicks need him to play on the ball more so than most any other team in the NBA
- He's a career 37% shooter from 3 on limited attempts per game (just 2.7 3's attempted a game) so I wouldn't exactly call him a "shooter"
- 5 years $125 million type of contract is no 'sure thing' for a guy that has had one real good year that so happens to be a contract year in his entire NBA career

1. what? he was better in his NO season then in his first knicks one

No season in NO was better than his MIP season with the Knicks.

2. this season from brunson is so much better than Randles season, don't even know what to say really

Randle was in the MVP discussion last season. Brunson hasn't even been on the All-Star ballot this season. So that's also not true.

3. he can, tho

Based on what?

4. I would 100% pay him that. you have to pay money if you want good players.

You have to build a team. And investing 5 years $125 million on a guy that has had one good season, has never really been the defacto starting PG for a team and who has a top 5 player to fall back on if he fails is not a 100% must do. The Knicks aren't a solid PG away from anything to be locking up 1/5th of their capspace over the next 5 season on.

[Synciere]

Okay so that was impressive.

[snadler]

if Brunson becomes too expensive, the knicks should definitely explore buying low on Brogdon

[Jalen Bluntson]

if Brunson becomes too expensive, the knicks should definitely explore buying low on Brogdon

Pacers interested in Brunson allegedly. Perhaps they ship out Brogdon to Dallas?

What's buying low? Brogdon is making 3/68 guaranteed moving forward.

[snadler]

if Brunson becomes too expensive, the knicks should definitely explore buying low on Brogdon

Pacers interested in Brunson allegedly. Perhaps they ship out Brogdon to Dallas?

What's buying low? Brogdon is making 3/68 guaranteed moving forward.

buying low on like dumping Randle for him

[Jalen Bluntson]

if Brunson becomes too expensive, the knicks should definitely explore buying low on Brogdon

Pacers interested in Brunson allegedly. Perhaps they ship out Brogdon to Dallas?

What's buying low? Brogdon is making 3/68 guaranteed moving forward.

buying low on like dumping Randle for him

Sold. Make it happen bruh!!