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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#301 » by BKlutch » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:48 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3 :lol:

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.

Even our starters can't actually believe we have a team that can shoot threes? Also, don't forget KAT got off to a miserable start at the 3 and Hart couldn't buy a bucket, so they fell back to more midrange. Add the nasty take on Bridges' shot and nobody wanted to take 3's. Maybe Huk can get it going? :lol:
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#302 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:48 pm

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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#303 » by Guano » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:50 pm

Chanel being a thibs apologist is an unexpected turn of events. Making excuses for the senile old man stuck in his ways. Didn't see that one coming.

It will be interesting to see if and how the offense adjust. I honestly don't think we will see a radical increase of 3s under thibs. I expect KATs' takes to increase. But we're still going to see a ton of iso takes.
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#304 » by Capn'O » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:51 pm

Guano wrote:I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.


We don't have the same situation that we did years ago when we had posters that were actually wolves in sheeps clothing masquerading as fans. What we've had recently is a couple posters beefing and trolling each other with one poster consistently at the center of it. Myself and other mods have recently gotten PMs from posters completely outside of this dynamic who are feeling less and less compelled to be part of the community because the forum is so overwhelmed with this commotion that any serious discussion of the team or games gets drowned out. And it's not one or two posters saying this. It's a lot. That's a problem and it's a cumulative one. Not one that springs from specific incidents but over time the board is degraded.

This place is supposed to be fun. It should be a place to let off steam and spar a bit. But it needs to be fun for a variety of users and our more gentle ways of expressing this recently hadn't taken.


Look at the discussion that's transpired this morning. It's far from homer talk but what it isn't is full of instigation and veiled attacks at other posters and the resultant retaliations dominating the thread.
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#305 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:54 pm

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Guano wrote:I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.


We don't have the same situation that we did years ago when we had posters that were actually wolves in sheeps clothing masquerading as fans. What we've had recently is a couple posters beefing and trolling each other with one poster consistently at the center of it. Myself and other mods have recently gotten PMs from posters completely outside of this dynamic who are feeling less and less compelled to be part of the community because the forum is so overwhelmed with this commotion that any serious discussion of the team or games gets drowned out. And it's not one or two posters saying this. It's a lot. That's a problem and it's a cumulative one. Not one that springs from specific incidents but over time the board is degraded.

This place is supposed to be fun. It should be a place to let off steam and spar a bit. But it needs to be fun for a variety of users and our more gentle ways of expressing this recently hadn't taken.


Look at the discussion that's transpired this morning. It's far from homer talk but what it isn't is full of instigation and veiled attacks at other posters and the resultant retaliations dominating the thread.



So, what you're saying is you're an isolation posting based mod? You were letting us iso too much and now our offense has gotten out of whack? The Thibs of mods :o
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#306 » by Guano » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:54 pm

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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#307 » by Capn'O » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:He should probably go back and watch more GSW offence to see how relocation, cutting and off-ball screening works.


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Post#308 » by Capn'O » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:55 pm

NoDopeOnSundays wrote:
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Guano wrote:I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.


We don't have the same situation that we did years ago when we had posters that were actually wolves in sheeps clothing masquerading as fans. What we've had recently is a couple posters beefing and trolling each other with one poster consistently at the center of it. Myself and other mods have recently gotten PMs from posters completely outside of this dynamic who are feeling less and less compelled to be part of the community because the forum is so overwhelmed with this commotion that any serious discussion of the team or games gets drowned out. And it's not one or two posters saying this. It's a lot. That's a problem and it's a cumulative one. Not one that springs from specific incidents but over time the board is degraded.

This place is supposed to be fun. It should be a place to let off steam and spar a bit. But it needs to be fun for a variety of users and our more gentle ways of expressing this recently hadn't taken.


Look at the discussion that's transpired this morning. It's far from homer talk but what it isn't is full of instigation and veiled attacks at other posters and the resultant retaliations dominating the thread.



So, what you're saying is you're an isolation posting based mod? You were letting us iso too much and now our offense has gotten out of whack? The Thibs of mods :o


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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#309 » by 8516knicks » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:58 pm

Didn't see game. Was astonished to find we out rebounded them. Hart big here. KAT aslo double figures. OG & Mikal shone. Deuce great off bench. Brun off game. We lost by 6; starters by 5/also foul shots made was 5 pt diff.

Biggest obvious LACK was an effective BENCH BIG. From last year down IHART, PRECIOIUS, MITCH. We need SOMEONE back or someone new added to the bunch. Even Thibs can't win with a 6 man team.
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Post#310 » by Chanel Bomber » Tue Oct 29, 2024 3:58 pm

I think we're still looking for a fifth crunch time player. One who can shoot from 3 and space the floor, and who also has the size to cover at least 2 positions. McBride could be that guy, but we need another option in my opinion.

We still have a few tradable assets:
- A recent first-round pick in 3Pac
- The Wizards pick
- Josh Hart's contract
- Mitch's contract
- McBride's bargain contract (which I think we should keep)

I like the idea of bringing in Bogdan Bogdanovic or Norman Powell, whether or not they'd start. They'd at least give us an additional option when our offense gets disrupted by smart defenses cheating off Hart.
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Post#311 » by JBreezeNY » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:00 pm

The more I think of this game and the Celtics game, the biggest takeaways weren’t what the players were doing but moreso the defensive and offensive schemes being used.

I’ve always had this belief that Thibs is Mark Jackson/Devin Ham/Brad Stevens type of coach that he gets you to the finish line but doesn’t help you cross it.

Needs to be a serious conversation about someone else taking over. He adjusts too late, his offense is too archaic & his defenses are stubborn and outdated. Celtics loss was completely on him. Same with last night’s loss.

We still need time to gel and build chemistry but there’s a deeper problem at hand.

He’s not playing his players at their best strengths defensively & he’s not even unlocking the potential of the offense either.

Where was the pick and rolls? Where is Mikal and Towns setting up screens for each other? Off ball movement? Backdoor cuts? Flare screens? wtf is going on?
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#312 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:00 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Another one, in addition to the gifs, look where Hart is and look where Mobley is

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The Celtics had Horford on Hart, the Cavs put Mobley on him, you can hide your big on him if they're mobile. The Celtics will absolutely put Kristaps on him if he's reluctant to shoot and not respected.


The entire 4th quarter till he left the game they were not guarding him.

Again, I love Josh Hart, but these clips are pretty damning.

The NBA's evolving fast, and while you can get away with some weaknesses against the more traditional coaches, the more forward-thinking ones will punish you mercilessly for them.

I still believe Hart brings winning intangibles to the table, but we may reach the point where Hart can exclusively play bench minutes or as the screener against elite competition.

It's starting to feel like a Marcus Smart situation. I hope it doesn't prove to be true, but I'm open to that being a possibility.



Teams are betting on him missing threes or just not taking them, unfortunately he's shooting 23% on them and he's taking the second most on the team because our volume is pitiful :lol:

Yes, Josh is taking twice as many threes per game as KAT.
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#313 » by BKlutch » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:02 pm

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- I'm more concerned with KAT's defense than his lack of FGAs, mainly because I'm confident the FGA's will sort themselves out.

- I'm a little annoyed that the team got away from Mikal, who was torching cross matchups all night and often had Garland to abuse.

- The bench needs more than one productive player. Deuce had 14 points, Payne had 6 points on 7 rushed attempts, and no one else scored.

- I like Hukporti...he challenged everything at the rim, and he's ALWAYS looking to box out. Hart's outburst in the second-quarter was boosted by Huk clearing out a ton of space for Hart to fly into.

- Despite all the doom and gloom, this game probably goes differently if Brunson doesn't get a clash of knees in the third quarter or Hart doesn't take two hard fouls that knock him out of the game in the late fourth.

- I hope things look different when we get Precious back and eventually Mitch, but I'm a little nervous since Thibs is a creature of a habit.

I like this explanation.

Of course, there are always those who say, "Now we need to go get Donnie [put favorite shooter here]."
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Post#314 » by Enzo954 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:04 pm

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Enzo954 wrote:IMO Brunson has shot creators all around him likes he's never had before. He needs to quit the hero ball crap and move the rock when he's not being efficient.
Brunson has been hero ball all last season. Someone needs to take the ball from him. That could be Hart.

I'm seeing why Donte went at Rick Brunson.

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Post#315 » by Guano » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:04 pm

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Guano wrote:I never understood thinking anyone here doesn't actually care about the knicks. We all want em to win. We just have different ideas how to get there. And some of us are a lil rough at expressing that. But just cause a fan doesn't fck with this current team doesn't make them not a fan.


We don't have the same situation that we did years ago when we had posters that were actually wolves in sheeps clothing masquerading as fans. What we've had recently is a couple posters beefing and trolling each other with one poster consistently at the center of it. Myself and other mods have recently gotten PMs from posters completely outside of this dynamic who are feeling less and less compelled to be part of the community because the forum is so overwhelmed with this commotion that any serious discussion of the team or games gets drowned out. And it's not one or two posters saying this. It's a lot. That's a problem and it's a cumulative one. Not one that springs from specific incidents but over time the board is degraded.

This place is supposed to be fun. It should be a place to let off steam and spar a bit. But it needs to be fun for a variety of users and our more gentle ways of expressing this recently hadn't taken.


Look at the discussion that's transpired this morning. It's far from homer talk but what it isn't is full of instigation and veiled attacks at other posters and the resultant retaliations dominating the thread.


I appreciate you responding and I don't want to derail this thread with this topic. BUUUUUUUT I'm going to.

I get it. But I don't like it. Instead of running to the mods. Ignore em. It's not hard. There are posters here I find annoying and I just don't engage with em. It's that simple. the problem is they don't want to see undesirables. They don't want to hear dissenting opinions. Especially if they're loud. I get when the threads turn into sht talking personally it's too much. But that happens a lot here when someone has a different opinion than the "homers".

Now i feel horrible for defending meLo cause he is terrible. And for also derailing the thread.
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Post#316 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:06 pm

Big helping off hart is an issue but I don’t think that’s why we lost. He took the most 3’s out of the starters and hit 40% of them. Looks like we were down 2 when he checked out of the game at the 4 minute mark and the Cavs lead ballooned after that. Still think it’s worth kicking out to him to either attack a close out or him to kick to someone above the break.
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Post#318 » by Guano » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:09 pm

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We don't have the same situation that we did years ago when we had posters that were actually wolves in sheeps clothing masquerading as fans. What we've had recently is a couple posters beefing and trolling each other with one poster consistently at the center of it. Myself and other mods have recently gotten PMs from posters completely outside of this dynamic who are feeling less and less compelled to be part of the community because the forum is so overwhelmed with this commotion that any serious discussion of the team or games gets drowned out. And it's not one or two posters saying this. It's a lot. That's a problem and it's a cumulative one. Not one that springs from specific incidents but over time the board is degraded.

This place is supposed to be fun. It should be a place to let off steam and spar a bit. But it needs to be fun for a variety of users and our more gentle ways of expressing this recently hadn't taken.


Look at the discussion that's transpired this morning. It's far from homer talk but what it isn't is full of instigation and veiled attacks at other posters and the resultant retaliations dominating the thread.



So, what you're saying is you're an isolation posting based mod? You were letting us iso too much and now our offense has gotten out of whack? The Thibs of mods :o


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Post#319 » by prophet_of_rage » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:10 pm

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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:We are dead last in threes attempted per game with 28.3 :lol:

Last season without Randle we attempted 36.2, how is it possible they built a roster to take threes and we're dead last.


We built a roster with more catch and shoot three point shooters. We removed a create your own three guy in DiVo and we removed a gravity guy in Randle who caused people to double for the mismatch.

Now we have one guy who gets in the paint off the dribble and you can play him straight up because he's short. So stay home and now it's actually harder to generate 3s. You need guys who can create threes off the dribble if you're going to play Thibs-ball. He should probably go back and watch more GSW offence to see how relocation, cutting and off-ball screening works.

KAT in post ups doesn't work like a Randle drive because there is less chance of a foul and it is more difficult to get the ball into him.

It's tough to even run pindowns because opponents just switch them because everybody is the same size and ballhandling.



We're taking less threes right now than we did when Randle was out, Donte took 9.8 threes as a starter. The guys we brought in should offset the loss of Donte, because we went from having a C that doesn't shoot to having one that does. Mikal took 7.2 threes last year down to 4.7, KAT took 5.3 last year and down to 2.0 with us and OG took 6.0 last year with the Raptors now 4.0 with us. These guys are taking low volume threes because of coaching, almost all of them are either at a career low in PER 36 threes attempted or top 3 lowest, so it's not just the pace.

There was no Randle gravity from Jan to May, and we're taking 8 less per game. We're not seeing any high post passing which is what Tom allowed Ihart to do and helped bolster our offense, KAT can do that with the added threat of the three yet we've seen none of that.


You answered your own question. Thibs isn't doing anything different on offence. IHart passed from the high post because IHart passes from the high post. It wasn't an offensive scheme it was his playstyle. That is not KAT's play style. Thibs for better or worse just gets you the ball in a spot and expects you to play.

It's why Jimmy dominated in Minny. He took the ball and did what he wanted with it. KAT isn't that personality.
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Re: PG: Cavs vs. Knicks: Only 8FGA for KAT? 

Post#320 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Tue Oct 29, 2024 4:11 pm

jvsimonetti0514 wrote:Big helping off hart is an issue but I don’t think that’s why we lost. He took the most 3’s out of the starters and hit 40% of them. Looks like we were down 2 when he checked out of the game at the 4 minute mark and the Cavs lead ballooned after that. Still think it’s worth kicking out to him to either attack a close out or him to kick to someone above the break.



We had a 78.6 ORTG in the 4th quarter with Josh on the floor, almost every big defensive play Mobley made in the 4th was because he helped off Josh. They were basically running a soft double at Mikal all 4th quarter, he tried to post up Garland but Mobley came over and Bridges rushed his pickup once he saw him for a turnover.

Another play he just left Hart and got the block on Jalen who blew by LeVert.

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