PG: Knicks vs Hornets: 12-5-24

[moocow007]

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I actually see that as a good sign. With the inclusion of Towns and Bridges (and loss of Hartenstein, Randle and DDV) there was bound to be some need for the team to figure each other out and gel. That their offense is already #1 in efficiency says a lot and honestly a lot more than their defense being at #15. Not only have they been missing the most important cog in their defense from previous seasons they are also trying to get. For offensive minded players like KAT and Brunson as the foundation, defense was always going to be harder. Even if Bridges was able to defend better than he has they still lack any real inside presence on defense and teams are exploiting it. I would expect Bridges to get much better and once Mitch comes back then I would start judging their defense.

Precious will have a positive impact too. He shows a high proficiency in a switching type defense (further evidenced by yesterday's 3Q)

Yep agreed.

[sol537]

Our biggest threats to a title right now IMO...

1. Boston (getting through them will be really tough)
2. OKC (they will likely be waiting on the other end and they're really tough as well)
3. DAL (they could sneak back into the finals again and they always play us tough)

I'm not too worried about any of the other teams to be honest. Even Cleveland, with their improvement this year, I think is more of a pretender when the lights get bright. I'm not buying yet.

[stuporman]

The Knicks being last in pace means playing for 47mins in a game for them is like playing 35mins for another team...debate me bruh

[Maury2423]

Elite offense, average defense. Right there with Boston

Keep in mind for more context.....

We really need to look at these ratings over the last 10 games vs the 1st 20 games. Because our acclimation process was more than any other team with 4 of 5 new starters. The last 10 is more indicative of what our team will be moving forward.


Our defensive efficiency is probably top 8 in the last 10.

Our defense has certainly picked up and gotten a ton better. I still don’t see us being elite defensively but more towards the middle of the pack kind of where we are now

I agree, we won’t be an elite defensive team but more importantly, I think we can be absolutely elite and lethal in spurts….

When needed we can throw lineups out there like any of the following

Deuce/Hart/Mikal/OG/Mitch
Jalen/Hart/Mikal/OG/Mitch
Deuce/Mikal/OG/KAT/Mitch
Deuce/Mikal/OG/Precious/KAT
Jalen/Mikal/OG/Precious/KAT
Deuce/Mikal/OG/Precious/Mitch


I’m sure there are other combos that we can run for 6min spurts that are absolutely deadly and demoralizing for other teams

[Iron Mantis]

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Notice how we don't hear any more crying about how the "Knicks lost their identity", lamenting the magical "14-2 January !!!!" and how we're doomed because now it's not a "Thibs team?"

This team forged it's own identity: historically great offense, sharing the ball, and flashes of nasty defensive potential.

And Thibs, for his part, is adapting to the personnel; props for that!

[KnixinSix]

Our defense has certainly picked up and gotten a ton better. I still don’t see us being elite defensively but more towards the middle of the pack kind of where we are now

No I actually think we will be closer to top 10 than top 15. The versatility we have with Precious out there combined with everyone acclimating will get us in the top 10 range. We may not end up top 3 or 4 but I could see us as high as #5 with anything lower than #10 will be a bit of a disappointment quite frankly. Bridges, OG, Hart, McBride, Precious, Payne even these 6 will all be a big part of a 8-9 man rotation and all have shown anywhere from above average to elite defense in Thibs system.

The schedule will get tougher so I’m not sure they can sustain an elite offense and top 10 defense. We really haven’t played too many very good offensive teams lately. I’d love to see it though

I hear you but 6 out of 9 above average to elite defenders can absolutely give us that in Thibs system which is showing ability to adapt to multiple schemes that better benefit the players

[Guano]

The Knicks being last in pace means playing for 47mins in a game for them is like playing 35mins for another team...debate me bruh

thibs defenders out here using the space/time continuum to justify his recklessness

[3toheadmelo]

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Notice how we don't hear any more crying about how the "Knicks lost their identity", lamenting the magical "14-2 January !!!!" and how we're doomed because now it's not a "Thibs team?"

This team forged it's own identity: historically great offense, sharing the ball, and flashes of nasty defensive potential.

And Thibs, for his part, is adapting to the personnel; props for that!

Even though we aren’t as good as last year’s team it’s pretty great to see what Thibs has done!! Thibs haters in shambles!

[Jalen Bluntson]

The Knicks being last in pace means playing for 47mins in a game for them is like playing 35mins for another team...debate me bruh

thibs defenders out here using the space/time continuum to justify his recklessness

Well... obviously for all of Thibs flaws, his biggest flaw isn't even a flaw. Right? 1.21 gigawatts!!

[KnixinSix]

Our biggest threats to a title right now IMO...

1. Boston (getting through them will be really tough)
2. OKC (they will likely be waiting on the other end and they're really tough as well)
3. DAL (they could sneak back into the finals again and they always play us tough)

I'm not too worried about any of the other teams to be honest. Even Cleveland, with their improvement this year, I think is more of a pretender when the lights get bright. I'm not buying yet.

We haven't even seen the highest level this team can reach yet.There is so much elite talent on this team and players that fit their roles perfectly. For example when precious came in last night we switched to an entirely switching defense and held the hornets to sixteen points in the quarter.

With multiple lineup options this team has the ability to be elite in any area that they strategically want to be elite in.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

4. Mitch for Herb Jones would be incredible. Not sure if New Orleans is going to blow it up completely.

Why do people here insist on the idea that the Pelicans would trade one of the best perimeter defenders in the league for an injured center, when they now have a center that is leading rookies in rebounds.

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He's 20 and averaging 9ppg, 9rpg as a starter in 25mpg, basically the same numbers as Mitch.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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Notice how we don't hear any more crying about how the "Knicks lost their identity", lamenting the magical "14-2 January !!!!" and how we're doomed because now it's not a "Thibs team?"

This team forged it's own identity: historically great offense, sharing the ball, and flashes of nasty defensive potential.

And Thibs, for his part, is adapting to the personnel; props for that!

Even though we aren’t as good as last year’s team it’s pretty great to see what Thibs has done!! Thibs haters in shambles!

We are off to a better start than last year. We are also 11-3 in our last 14. Last January we were 12-2. So, we are better than last year all day every day and twice on Sunday! It's amazing to see what KAT/Mikal/Payne added to the team. Randle/DDV/MJ Burks fans in shambles!!!

[sol537]

Our biggest threats to a title right now IMO...

1. Boston (getting through them will be really tough)
2. OKC (they will likely be waiting on the other end and they're really tough as well)
3. DAL (they could sneak back into the finals again and they always play us tough)

I'm not too worried about any of the other teams to be honest. Even Cleveland, with their improvement this year, I think is more of a pretender when the lights get bright. I'm not buying yet.

We haven't even seen the highest level this team can reach yet.There is so much elite talent on this team and players that fit their roles perfectly. For example when precious came in last night we switched to an entirely switching defense and held the hornets to sixteen points in the quarter.

With multiple lineup options this team has the ability to be elite in any area that they strategically want to be elite in.

Yup but those 3 teams are uber talented as well. I guess it's going to come down to health, coaching, chemistry, experience, and execution as it always does. Let's hope we're on the right side of all those things come playoff time. I'd put CLE at #4 on that list above as biggest threats.

[HEZI]

Keep in mind for more context.....

We really need to look at these ratings over the last 10 games vs the 1st 20 games. Because our acclimation process was more than any other team with 4 of 5 new starters. The last 10 is more indicative of what our team will be moving forward.


Our defensive efficiency is probably top 8 in the last 10.

Our defense has certainly picked up and gotten a ton better. I still don’t see us being elite defensively but more towards the middle of the pack kind of where we are now

I agree, we won’t be an elite defensive team but more importantly, I think we can be absolutely elite and lethal in spurts….

When needed we can throw lineups out there like any of the following

Deuce/Hart/Mikal/OG/Mitch
Jalen/Hart/Mikal/OG/Mitch
Deuce/Mikal/OG/KAT/Mitch
Deuce/Mikal/OG/Precious/KAT
Jalen/Mikal/OG/Precious/KAT
Deuce/Mikal/OG/Precious/Mitch


I’m sure there are other combos that we can run for 6min spurts that are absolutely deadly and demoralizing for other teams

Ultimately that’s what really counts is getting key stops at key moments of the game. I think we have that ability

[stuporman]

The Knicks being last in pace means playing for 47mins in a game for them is like playing 35mins for another team...debate me bruh

thibs defenders out here using the space/time continuum to justify his recklessness

Your reasoning skills are nothing more than logical fallacies and platitudes that easily dismissed with vague hand waving...

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The Knicks being last in pace means playing for 47mins in a game for them is like playing 35mins for another team...debate me bruh

thibs defenders out here using the space/time continuum to justify his recklessness

"Yes, his leg may have fallen off, but who is to say the 68 minutes straight of quadruple overtime are to blame? If the multi-verse theory is correct, there's a version of Mikal that played all 68 minutes and was perfectly fine. So in essence we can say Thibs was right to play him 68 minutes, because time is just an illusion, as the future and past are unchangeable and will play out as they were meant"


- Knick fans defending obscene minutes load, even though we haven't had a single healthy playoff run with the BloodGod Tom.

[knicks94]

The only teams that scare me are the Mavericks and Hawks due to the fact the Kyrie and Trae are the Knicks daddies.

[3toheadmelo]

Notice how we don't hear any more crying about how the "Knicks lost their identity", lamenting the magical "14-2 January !!!!" and how we're doomed because now it's not a "Thibs team?"

This team forged it's own identity: historically great offense, sharing the ball, and flashes of nasty defensive potential.

And Thibs, for his part, is adapting to the personnel; props for that!

Even though we aren’t as good as last year’s team it’s pretty great to see what Thibs has done!! Thibs haters in shambles!

We are off to a better start than last year. We are also 11-3 in our last 14. Last January we were 12-2. So, we are better than last year all day every day and twice on Sunday! It's amazing to see what KAT/Mikal/Payne added to the team. Randle/DDV/MJ Burks fans in shambles!!!

We’re beating up on bad teams. In January we beat multiple contenders. Still not on last year’s team level yet but I’m still grateful for what Thibs has done since we gave him a roster that’s not ideal for him. Thank you Thibs! Thibs haters in shambles!!!

[Jalen Bluntson]

Even though we aren’t as good as last year’s team it’s pretty great to see what Thibs has done!! Thibs haters in shambles!

We are off to a better start than last year. We are also 11-3 in our last 14. Last January we were 12-2. So, we are better than last year all day every day and twice on Sunday! It's amazing to see what KAT/Mikal/Payne added to the team. Randle/DDV/MJ Burks fans in shambles!!!

We’re beating up on bad teams. In January we beat multiple contenders. Still not on last year’s team level yet but I’m still grateful for what Thibs has done since we gave him a roster that’s not ideal for him. Thank you Thibs! Thibs haters in shambles!!!

We destroyed Denver in Denver and we destroyed Orlando. We are dominating games just like we did last January. Better talent for Thibs to work with. Randle/DDV/MJ Burks Stans in shambles now!!!

[KnixinSix]

Even though we aren’t as good as last year’s team it’s pretty great to see what Thibs has done!! Thibs haters in shambles!

We are off to a better start than last year. We are also 11-3 in our last 14. Last January we were 12-2. So, we are better than last year all day every day and twice on Sunday! It's amazing to see what KAT/Mikal/Payne added to the team. Randle/DDV/MJ Burks fans in shambles!!!

We’re beating up on bad teams. In January we beat multiple contenders. Still not on last year’s team level yet but I’m still grateful for what Thibs has done since we gave him a roster that’s not ideal for him. Thank you Thibs! Thibs haters in shambles!!!

Orlando and Denver in the last 8 games? In our 1st 10 games with 4 of 5 new starters we were in infancy stage of chemistry development. Don't totally disparage the level we are playing now at just bc a few were bad teams. You can still discern things vs worse teams too. We dominated when we needed to yesterday...38-16 quarter. After a slow start down 12... 32-20 we came back to tie it in like 2 and half minutes. Charlotte in 7 of their 8 last games no opponent beat them by more than 6 points. They play hard.