PG: Knicks vs ATL

[K_ick_God]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

[robillionaire]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

Same with some of Brunson’s bad turnovers down the stretch. Makes sense on the 2nd night of a b2b where you had to travel cities and also playing in OT in a track meet style 300 pt game

[K_ick_God]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

Same with some of Brunson’s bad turnovers down the stretch. Makes sense on the 2nd night of a b2b where you had to travel cities and also playing in OT in a track meet style 300 pt game

Def JB's because he was falling over basically. Or just losing the dribble unforced. His muscles were not doing what his brain asked them to do.

Payne basically won the game btw. Before the Knicks lost it and re-won it.

[robillionaire]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

Same with some of Brunson’s bad turnovers down the stretch. Makes sense on the 2nd night of a b2b where you had to travel cities and also playing in OT in a track meet style 300 pt game

Def JB's because he was falling over basically. Or just losing the dribble unforced. His muscles were not doing what his brain asked them to do.

Payne basically won the game btw. Before the Knicks lost it and re-won it.

Precious had a big hand in it as well. Really the guy who stepped up out of nowhere

[mpharris36]

The Thibs hive has no shame

Thibs in the postgame - I should have been more demonstrative and asked for a timeout

Thibs fans - No thibs you don't make mistakes...ever

I feel like its a bit at this point...

Yeah well he’s taking ownership of the mistake and protecting the players like a good coach does. If they ask towns about the play I’m sure he’s gonna say I messed up and made a bad pass, I should have called timeout, he’s not going to throw the coach under the bus and say well the coach should have called timeout for me. In fact I just pulled up his PG interview and he said “I felt like I gave the game up for my team” Point is simply even when the coach makes some strategic error that doesn’t mean everyone is absolved for their mistakes either.

That is just who KAT is. I appreciate him taking responsibility...but its not his responsibility. He is a center. He should not be put in a position to be inbounding in late and close games. Leave that to the guys who are comfortable doing that.

That is ultimately what the coach is suppose to do. Put the players in the best position to succeed. That wasn't the case there. Similarly we clowned Nick Nurse for not calling a TO in the playoffs under his own basket and it cost his team a playoff game win and potentially a series win. That is on the coach. Yes the player can call a timeout but his job should be focusing on executing and the coach is there to call timeouts.

Thibs did take accountability so I am glad he did but how can he not. That play is 100% his fault.

The minute the 3 goes in...you call a timeout to advance. There is under 10 seconds to play and you have 2 timeouts...that is basketball 101. On top of that you had a guy inbounding that traditionally doesn't handle your inbounds. So it was just really poor coaching. But glad thibs owned up to it. But people are legit saying it wasn't thibs fault which is wild to me.

[mpharris36]

blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.

Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.

Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.

Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!

The Thibs hive has no shame

We are just here to balance out all the

*Hart airballs a 3* "What is Thibs doing!"
*KAT gets dunked on* "F*** Thibs"
*Brunson turnover* "Where's Kolek? I'm Done with Thibs!!"

type posts

I mean if you are just making up thibs hate then sure. But I don't see most of this ever said.

Maybe the KAT stuff but that is ultimately complaining about consistently having him in drop coverage. Which he isn't good at doing. We all see it. You can see it, I can see it. But we continue to run drop.

The Hart and Brunson stuff is for show on your post so I won't address that.

[K_ick_God]

KAT also can do a decent job defending the perimeter. Surprisingly good. Seems to suit him better for some reason than tracking drivers.

[mpharris36]

We still play Cleveland and Boston 5 more times and if we get everyone back I’m not scared of either team and looking forward to flipping the script

CLE I think we can beat especially with Mitch back.

BOS is just a really tough matchup for us. They have really good perimeter defense and they shoot so many 3's which is our weakness on DEF.

We would have to have an entire new gameplan to stop them.

I’d like to see us start to stay up on 3pt shooters and just let KAT try on the inside (or better yet Mitch and KAT at the 4.)
I like the math of not giving up 60% on open 3’s vs KAT defending on 2’s.
Thib’s for whatever reason won’t try this for a whole game.

Thats fine but against BOS who is KAT and Mitch guarding on defense....Mitch vs KP or Horford isn't a good matchup for him because they will just run pick and pops and mitch doesn't want to go out and guard the 3. And then who is KAT guarding a guard in that scenario?

You basically need to go small vs them and switch or play a matchup zone. The matchup zone would be ideal. I would run like a 2-1-2 zone.

Mikal and Hart up to just switching the P&R and then have KAT and Burnson on each corner. Then have OG in the middle basically as a free safety. That way you have the corner 3's covered and then Hart and Mikal up to who they mostly run Tatum and Brown P&R's which you can just switch.

[mpharris36]

KAT also can do a decent job defending the perimeter. Surprisingly good. Seems to suit him better for some reason than tracking drivers.

I think he switched out on Trae late for one possession and forced him into a tough fadeway 3 which he missed. Its much better living with that then a wide open dunk or 3.

[thebuzzardman]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

Same with some of Brunson’s bad turnovers down the stretch. Makes sense on the 2nd night of a b2b where you had to travel cities and also playing in OT in a track meet style 300 pt game

Agreed, but Hart and KAT had a number of careless turnovers and that's just the 3rd quarter, the only one I could watch carefully*

*I spent the majority of the evening drinking soju and eating army stew

[robillionaire]

The Thibs hive has no shame

We are just here to balance out all the

*Hart airballs a 3* "What is Thibs doing!"
*KAT gets dunked on* "F*** Thibs"
*Brunson turnover* "Where's Kolek? I'm Done with Thibs!!"

type posts

I mean if you are just making up thibs hate then sure. But I don't see most of this ever said.

Maybe the KAT stuff but that is ultimately complaining about consistently having him in drop coverage. Which he isn't good at doing. We all see it. You can see it, I can see it. But we continue to run drop.

The Hart and Brunson stuff is for show on your post so I won't address that.

No that’s kinda how it is, he’s currently the designated scapegoat. We always have one. Example the Boston game everyone wants to discuss nothing but why didn’t we challenge a 3pt foul. As if we didn’t have an entire game where we got blown out. As if Deuce didn’t make a stupid decision to foul a 3pt shooter late in the clock, like Mikal did a minute later. Like towns wasn’t getting blown by all game and Mikal cooked one on one all game. And with the way the refs were calling the game, I’m not even sure it gets overturned! He made contact with him. By the hyperfocus on this minuscule decision to ignore all the players playing bad

Towns is my favorite player in the nba so I get nothing by blaming him. But he made a bad play. That’s in addition to the regretful mistake by Thibs. Here’s a thought experiment. Imagine the same game last night, but it’s last year, and it’s Randle who inbounded the ball and threw it away. You think anybody is even mentioning the coach at all right now in that scenario? No the player is getting eviscerated

[robillionaire]

I think KAT's turnovers were also fatigue. And being bodied like he was.

Same with some of Brunson’s bad turnovers down the stretch. Makes sense on the 2nd night of a b2b where you had to travel cities and also playing in OT in a track meet style 300 pt game

Agreed, but Hart and KAT had a number of careless turnovers and that's just the 3rd quarter, the only one I could watch carefully*

*I spent the majority of the evening drinking soju and eating army stew

My stream was dying in and out most of the 3rd quarter but yeah. Can’t chalk the whole game up to fatigue. It was a lot of careless mistakes too. And some good D by that Daniels kid

[thebuzzardman]

blaming Hart for that foul is wild. It was a scramble to find everyone after we got beat to the offensive rebound there was only a few seconds left...if Hart doesn't foul him the angle Trae would have gotten around him and gotten a clean look for the win.

Everyone was scrambling and he had to get in his way.

Asking your center to take the ball out when you have 2 timeouts under your own basket caused this. I mean there are really people disagreeing with that? Pro thibs or not. Every coach calls a timeout there.

Thibs even admitted he made a mistake in the postgame and people are now disagreeing with thibs own words to protect him? Wild!

The Thibs hive has no shame

We are just here to balance out all the

*Hart airballs a 3* "What is Thibs doing!"
*KAT gets dunked on* "F*** Thibs"
*Brunson turnover* "Where's Kolek? I'm Done with Thibs!!"

type posts

I have no dog in the fight, other than the dog that encourages all the other dogs to keep fighting

[ScienceOfLosing]

CLE I think we can beat especially with Mitch back.

BOS is just a really tough matchup for us. They have really good perimeter defense and they shoot so many 3's which is our weakness on DEF.

We would have to have an entire new gameplan to stop them.

I’d like to see us start to stay up on 3pt shooters and just let KAT try on the inside (or better yet Mitch and KAT at the 4.)
I like the math of not giving up 60% on open 3’s vs KAT defending on 2’s.
Thib’s for whatever reason won’t try this for a whole game.

Thats fine but against BOS who is KAT and Mitch guarding on defense....Mitch vs KP or Horford isn't a good matchup for him because they will just run pick and pops and mitch doesn't want to go out and guard the 3. And then who is KAT guarding a guard in that scenario?

You basically need to go small vs them and switch or play a matchup zone. The matchup zone would be ideal. I would run like a 2-1-2 zone.

Mikal and Hart up to just switching the P&R and then have KAT and Burnson on each corner. Then have OG in the middle basically as a free safety. That way you have the corner 3's covered and then Hart and Mikal up to who they mostly run Tatum and Brown P&R's which you can just switch.

I understand matchups change things but I mean in general to stay up on 3pt shooters.

I’m not sure how to play Boston, matchup wise, but I think Thibs needs to work on taking away the 3pt shot more than just collapsing in the paint. At least try it.

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[nedleeds]

Maybe the KAT stuff but that is ultimately complaining about consistently having him in drop coverage. Which he isn't good at doing. We all see it. You can see it, I can see it. But we continue to run drop.

The Hart and Brunson stuff is for show on your post so I won't address that.

I know you don't mean it but it almost makes it sounds like KAT is a switch and chase center. He can't do that either. Unless Thibs starts mixing it up with a zone or getting guards to fight through with a hedge, which he hasn't done in basically his entire career.

[TKKnicks1]

What's the status of Deuce injury? He couldn't pull through yesterday.

[mpharris36]

I’d like to see us start to stay up on 3pt shooters and just let KAT try on the inside (or better yet Mitch and KAT at the 4.)
I like the math of not giving up 60% on open 3’s vs KAT defending on 2’s.
Thib’s for whatever reason won’t try this for a whole game.

Thats fine but against BOS who is KAT and Mitch guarding on defense....Mitch vs KP or Horford isn't a good matchup for him because they will just run pick and pops and mitch doesn't want to go out and guard the 3. And then who is KAT guarding a guard in that scenario?

You basically need to go small vs them and switch or play a matchup zone. The matchup zone would be ideal. I would run like a 2-1-2 zone.

Mikal and Hart up to just switching the P&R and then have KAT and Burnson on each corner. Then have OG in the middle basically as a free safety. That way you have the corner 3's covered and then Hart and Mikal up to who they mostly run Tatum and Brown P&R's which you can just switch.

I understand matchups change things but I mean in general to stay up on 3pt shooters.

I’m not sure how to play Boston, matchup wise, but I think Thibs needs to work on taking away the 3pt shot more than just collapsing in the paint. At least try it.

Yes overall I think the scheme is to overhelp to stop drives to the basket or penetration. That was more valuable 10-15-20 years ago.

Now guys are so proficient with shooting 3's...an open one is going in like +40-50% of the time I feel. We need to contest 3's more and force teams to take shots in the midrange.

Yes that might mean from time to time you give up a layup or an easy floater. But once a team gets hot from the perimeter even if you start to defend well and they have that rhythm the shooters in todays NBA don't care. The key is to start the game and keep them out of rhythm so that when they do eventually get an open 3 they have a higher % of missing that because they haven't seen much go through the hoop.

[mpharris36]

Maybe the KAT stuff but that is ultimately complaining about consistently having him in drop coverage. Which he isn't good at doing. We all see it. You can see it, I can see it. But we continue to run drop.

The Hart and Brunson stuff is for show on your post so I won't address that.

I know you don't mean it but it almost makes it sounds like KAT is a switch and chase center. He can't do that either. Unless Thibs starts mixing it up with a zone or getting guards to fight through with a hedge, which he hasn't done in basically his entire career.

KAT is far better at switching or hedge and recovering than drop. He just is a fish out of water with drop he doesn't have good instincts defensively which is what drop requires. When to close the gap on the ball handler and when to sink back to the roller...he get caught in between to often.

KAT was playing the 4 mostly the last 2 years so he was guarding perimeter players more so than ever. So why is the fear that he can't switch onto perimeter players more? He wasn't playing the 5 last year.

HOU doesn't play drop with Sengun...they know he can't do it.

Its not going to be perfect...I'm not expecting KAT to turn into BAM guarding perimeter players...but its far better than just letting teams go 2 on 1 with him in drop and mikal chasing behind. Let KAT guard one guy...not worry about 2 guys.

[robillionaire]

What's the status of Deuce injury? He couldn't pull through yesterday.

They’re saying it’s a rib contusion and I think he had it before the game last night. The pain from that can linger for months based on my experience so I hope he can get with it. He is another guy on the team who actually tries on defense so it’s no wonder we are giving up so many pts