knicks lose....i blame mpharris who blames thibs

[HopelessKnick]

At least a competitive game all over. Some good decisions and some bad ones.

I really loved how KAT came out of the gates and was super aggressive. Really really need that to set the tone right away.

I would have fouled Tatum on that final shot...for me if there are less than 5 seconds left it is an automatic foul but coaches differ on that. Would have really liked to take the W but at least this game gives some encouragement overall. Of course Brown was nowhere close to 100%---if his knee condition is not going to improve then this whole thing may actually get closer than we assume.

What I find still a bit discouraging overall is that despite Brown essentially being injured and not playing second half/late in the game we couldn't come up with the win on our homecourt. But still, overall this game was more positive than negative.

[LFGK]

Moral victory and it shows we can compete and take them to 5-6 games which is the ceiling this year like it or not.

I take it back. We can beat them but everyone from the trolls here to the water boy to Thibs to players must bring their A plus game and we need a lot of luck! But we can beat them.

Gotta figure out their 3 point attempts and fix that end of the game execution on both ends and we cannot miss FT's and give up 20 plus off to's and foul on 3pt attempts. And if we are up 3, we **** foul!

yes they can DEF beat them in a few weeks, need to limit the ridiculous 30 foot KP threes, that's it. Tatum will get his but you just have to make it a little more difficult, bit more physical. Key will be playing Mitch alongside KAT so Mitch is the guy that is the one waiting there for tatum off that high screen. McBride needs to be in as well.

Brunson
McBride
OG
KAT
Mitch

this should be a lineup we use a lot against boston.

[Jalen Bluntson]

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[rajajackal]

It's ok to be critical - Fouling tatum on a 3 at the end of regulation was dumb

he barely touched him, imo it was a high effort defensive play that went wrong

high effort is something i'll take when i can get it from the mikal bridges high school anime club goober knicks

He had a great game and he busted @ss out there. But that foul was foolish, so was his fade in the beginning of OT with jrue on him. He is insanely talented and had a great game. Carried us. But it's fair to say he isn't the most cerebral player.

I'm also mad we lost and not handling it well. negative as hell right now. I wanted to go full homer and that win would have hit like crack.

that fade was crazy. couldn't tell if it was lazy or a heat check but either way, not the time for that lol

brunson also has this habit of going for a 3 off the ball when all we need is a 2

we need better late game coaching. intentions. freelancing works with smart, willing, talented players but there needs to be a unifying strategist helming situations like last night

also, i bought in last night too. i woke up still-bitter. i still put this game on mikal more than thibs because thibs was here last year and mikal was not and we still had more winning qualities back then so the math is easy

[3toheadmelo]

It's ok to be critical - Fouling tatum on a 3 at the end of regulation was dumb

And he was really awful defensively in OT. But I won’t blame him for losing the game, he was great on offense.

Yeah, im not blaming him or realpt mad at him - He showed up in a big time game unlike someone else.

I’m seeing people trying to lump OG with Mikal sucking. Doesn’t make sense since OG did an outstanding job on Tatum.

[rajajackal]

And he was really awful defensively in OT. But I won’t blame him for losing the game, he was great on offense.

Yeah, im not blaming him or realpt mad at him - He showed up in a big time game unlike someone else.

I’m seeing people trying to lump OG with Mikal sucking. Doesn’t make sense since OG did an outstanding job on Tatum.

starting to feel like mikal is the new [player not named due to the forum's recent veer into fascism]

[ezmoney707]

Numbers are out and it pretty much confirms the eye test.

OG held Tatum to 37% FG.

Mikal held Tatum to 83% FG

Yes Tatum struggles with strong defenders with size, Mikal played great D just a bad matchup for him (and pretty much most of the league) and should be guarding White and Brown

I don’t see this a reason to $hit on Mikal though

[WargamesX]

If there is one thing i learned from this game, it is that Mitch can guard Tatum much better than Mikalikina.

To be fair Mikal is a 2 guard and should be on Brown, OG is a SF pretending to be a PF because we don’t have a starting PF on the roster.

This summer we need to get a starting PF move Hart to the bench and move Mikal to SG and OG to SF….

In short we over invested in Mikal and OG, then played them out of position and limited their effectiveness (not to mention the redundancy in their games). It’s really awful asset allocation and outside of trading one of Bridges/Mikal the paths to building out the roster are so limited. I am our paths forward are trading Mitch Robinson and hoping what 2nd rd picks we can cobble together bring in an upgrade, the taxpayer MLE, or getting lucky with a 2nd rd pick.

It’s hard to criticize Leon because the organization has had more success over the last 5 years than the previous 25, and they are set up to be a top-4 seed for the next handful of years. But in terms of future flexibility, they are in as bad of shape if not worse than any team in the league.

I disagree the ability to trade any of their starters and get assets back isn’t a lack of flexibility for the franchise.

I also think they are a starting quality PF away from being a much better team, and legitimate contenders. A lot of teams would need more than that to say the same.

[rajajackal]

To be fair Mikal is a 2 guard and should be on Brown, OG is a SF pretending to be a PF because we don’t have a starting PF on the roster.

This summer we need to get a starting PF move Hart to the bench and move Mikal to SG and OG to SF….

In short we over invested in Mikal and OG, then played them out of position and limited their effectiveness (not to mention the redundancy in their games). It’s really awful asset allocation and outside of trading one of Bridges/Mikal the paths to building out the roster are so limited. I am our paths forward are trading Mitch Robinson and hoping what 2nd rd picks we can cobble together bring in an upgrade, the taxpayer MLE, or getting lucky with a 2nd rd pick.

It’s hard to criticize Leon because the organization has had more success over the last 5 years than the previous 25, and they are set up to be a top-4 seed for the next handful of years. But in terms of future flexibility, they are in as bad of shape if not worse than any team in the league.

I disagree the ability to trade any of their starters and get assets back isn’t a lack of flexibility for the franchise.

I also think they are a starting quality PF away from being a much better team, and legitimate contenders. A lot of teams would need more than that to say the same.

could always sub mitch for hart in the starting lineup and suddenly we're a big team with everybody in a more natural position and better defense

[LFGK]

Celtics didn’t start trying until the 2nd half and we played like it’s game 7 of the NBA finals…..and still lost lol

This is nonsense

[3toheadmelo]

Numbers are out and it pretty much confirms the eye test.

OG held Tatum to 37% FG.

Mikal held Tatum to 83% FG

Yes Tatum struggles with strong defenders with size, Mikal played great D just a bad matchup for him (and pretty much most of the league) and should be guarding White and Brown

I don’t see this a reason to $hit on Mikal though

Mikal got cooked by Donovan Mitchell the other day too. The reality is that he can’t lock up the elite players. We paid 7 picks for him to play elite defense and he’s getting cooked by everyone.

[Guano]

he barely touched him, imo it was a high effort defensive play that went wrong

high effort is something i'll take when i can get it from the mikal bridges high school anime club goober knicks

He had a great game and he busted @ss out there. But that foul was foolish, so was his fade in the beginning of OT with jrue on him. He is insanely talented and had a great game. Carried us. But it's fair to say he isn't the most cerebral player.

I'm also mad we lost and not handling it well. negative as hell right now. I wanted to go full homer and that win would have hit like crack.

that fade was crazy. couldn't tell if it was lazy or a heat check but either way, not the time for that lol

brunson also has this habit of going for a 3 off the ball when all we need is a 2

we need better late game coaching. intentions. freelancing works with smart, willing, talented players but there needs to be a unifying strategist helming situations like last night

also, i bought in last night too. i woke up still-bitter. i still put this game on mikal more than thibs because thibs was here last year and mikal was not and we still had more winning qualities back then so the math is easy

Everything about mikal pisses me off. I don't like his aura. His vibes are off. I've always been able knick fan cause they have a grittiness to em and he is just goofy. And all the assists for a lil role player. He has a lot of catching up to do to win me over. And last night didn't help his cause.

I blame this lose solely on thibs. Not fouling Tatum or running a double at him was beyond dumb. You just can't allow Tatum to get that look.

Everything after that is just missing the main problem. But that doesn't stop me from dissecting all the dumb sht that happened like both of our end game plays. Why is jHart in there instead of deuce. The spacing between kat and mikal with that pass. And none of it matters cause this timeline shouldn't have happened. Yet here we are talking about a loss that should have been a great win and now my breakfast burrito doesn't even taste as great as it should cause I'm bitter.

Knicks stay ruining my life.

[Fury]

He had a great game and he busted @ss out there. But that foul was foolish, so was his fade in the beginning of OT with jrue on him. He is insanely talented and had a great game. Carried us. But it's fair to say he isn't the most cerebral player.

I'm also mad we lost and not handling it well. negative as hell right now. I wanted to go full homer and that win would have hit like crack.

that fade was crazy. couldn't tell if it was lazy or a heat check but either way, not the time for that lol

brunson also has this habit of going for a 3 off the ball when all we need is a 2

we need better late game coaching. intentions. freelancing works with smart, willing, talented players but there needs to be a unifying strategist helming situations like last night

also, i bought in last night too. i woke up still-bitter. i still put this game on mikal more than thibs because thibs was here last year and mikal was not and we still had more winning qualities back then so the math is easy

Everything about mikal pisses me off. I don't like his aura. His vibes are off. I've always been able knick fan cause they have a grittiness to em and he is just goofy. And all the assists for a lil role player. He has a lot of catching up to do to win me over. And last night didn't help his cause.

I blame this lose solely on thibs. Not fouling Tatum or running a double at him was beyond dumb. You just can't allow Tatum to get that look.

Everything after that is just missing the main problem. But that doesn't stop me from dissecting all the dumb sht that happened like both of our end game plays. Why is jHart in there instead of deuce. The spacing between kat and mikal with that pass. And none of it matters cause this timeline shouldn't have happened. Yet here we are talking about a loss that should have been a great win and now my breakfast burrito doesn't even taste as great as it should cause I'm bitter.

Knicks stay ruining my life.

We lost this game because of all the hate manifesting on this board is killing the clutch vibes of the team. We need to do better.

I love Thibs

I love Mikal

I love Josh Hart

I love the New York Knicks

[Knicksfan1992]

At least a competitive game all over. Some good decisions and some bad ones.

I really loved how KAT came out of the gates and was super aggressive. Really really need that to set the tone right away.

I would have fouled Tatum on that final shot...for me if there are less than 5 seconds left it is an automatic foul but coaches differ on that. Would have really liked to take the W but at least this game gives some encouragement overall. Of course Brown was nowhere close to 100%---if his knee condition is not going to improve then this whole thing may actually get closer than we assume.

What I find still a bit discouraging overall is that despite Brown essentially being injured and not playing second half/late in the game we couldn't come up with the win on our homecourt. But still, overall this game was more positive than negative.

Brown has struggled all year against the Knicks. He only has one game over 40% shooting against us. We're a bad matchup for him because he's their "muscle to the rim" guy and we've got a pretty bulky team.

The doomer brigade is out today but this was a game we win 9 times out of 10 IMO. Just a chit storm of variance played into it. Knicks miss a bunch of FT's, KP makes two near logo heaves, Mikal drops a ball in OT. Just weird chit happening all night that kept the C's in it.

[Guano]

Yeah, im not blaming him or realpt mad at him - He showed up in a big time game unlike someone else.

I’m seeing people trying to lump OG with Mikal sucking. Doesn’t make sense since OG did an outstanding job on Tatum.

starting to feel like mikal is the new [player not named due to the forum's recent veer into fascism]

Wild but accurate take. And like the player not to be named the idea of mikal is better than the actualization of him.

[Guano]

And he was really awful defensively in OT. But I won’t blame him for losing the game, he was great on offense.

Yeah, im not blaming him or realpt mad at him - He showed up in a big time game unlike someone else.

I’m seeing people trying to lump OG with Mikal sucking. Doesn’t make sense since OG did an outstanding job on Tatum.

The devil works hard but mp works harder

[god shammgod]

Numbers are out and it pretty much confirms the eye test.

OG held Tatum to 37% FG.

Mikal held Tatum to 83% FG

Yes Tatum struggles with strong defenders with size, Mikal played great D just a bad matchup for him (and pretty much most of the league) and should be guarding White and Brown

I don’t see this a reason to $hit on Mikal though

Mikal got cooked by Donovan Mitchell the other day too. The reality is that he can’t lock up the elite players. We paid 7 picks for him to play elite defense and he’s getting cooked by everyone.

it was always an overpay but i guess they felt that he could at least handle some basic role player responsibilities if he wasn't gonna play like one step below a star which is what we paid for. and that was to hit open 3s, play lock down d and be a secondary creator. i can't say he's been very good at any of those things this year.

[Guano]

that fade was crazy. couldn't tell if it was lazy or a heat check but either way, not the time for that lol

brunson also has this habit of going for a 3 off the ball when all we need is a 2

we need better late game coaching. intentions. freelancing works with smart, willing, talented players but there needs to be a unifying strategist helming situations like last night

also, i bought in last night too. i woke up still-bitter. i still put this game on mikal more than thibs because thibs was here last year and mikal was not and we still had more winning qualities back then so the math is easy

Everything about mikal pisses me off. I don't like his aura. His vibes are off. I've always been able knick fan cause they have a grittiness to em and he is just goofy. And all the assists for a lil role player. He has a lot of catching up to do to win me over. And last night didn't help his cause.

I blame this lose solely on thibs. Not fouling Tatum or running a double at him was beyond dumb. You just can't allow Tatum to get that look.

Everything after that is just missing the main problem. But that doesn't stop me from dissecting all the dumb sht that happened like both of our end game plays. Why is jHart in there instead of deuce. The spacing between kat and mikal with that pass. And none of it matters cause this timeline shouldn't have happened. Yet here we are talking about a loss that should have been a great win and now my breakfast burrito doesn't even taste as great as it should cause I'm bitter.

Knicks stay ruining my life.

We lost this game because of all the hate manifesting on this board is killing the clutch vibes of the team. We need to do better.

I love Thibs

I love Mikal

I love Josh Hart

I love the New York Knicks

Under no circumstance should we take the blame. Weve been foolishly loyal to this team for far to long and stuck with em when they were at their worst. They need to prove their LOVE to us. I want my damn flowers.

[prophet_of_rage]

also even after the game was tied and thibs failed to get his team to foul...what play did we run?

A josh hart the worst shooter on the floor step back...how can you not get the ball into anyone else hands there thibs?

The Celts took everyone else away. The play wasn't for Hart. He came from the opposite side of the court to prevent the five secinds and still tried to hand it off and the Celts blew that up, too.

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Ask yourself, WHY IS JOSH HART EVEN IN THE GAME WITH 3 SECONDS TO PLAY?!?!?!?!
WHAT CAN HE POSSIBLY DO IN THAT SITUATION WHERE ALL THE PLAYERS ON THE COURT EITHER NEED TO:
A. BE ABLE TO SHOOT THE BALL QUICKLY
OR
B. SET GOOD PICKS TO FREE UP THE SHOOTERS



I swear people blindly defend thibs without actually thinking about his actions

I get the backseat coaching. You can have Deuce in there who will not set an effective pick. Maybe he gets a clean shot off in that situation. He doesn't get anybody open.

Thibs has his guys he trusts just like any other coach. He's got to live or die by what happened.

Many coaches do not foul up three. Many coaches do not foul when up. They trust their defence.

I have no problem with Thibs being the goat here. He got them close but not over the hump. But it is finally close.

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[prophet_of_rage]

EXACTLY THIS!!!
Put the best shooters in at that moment, if anything hart should have been INBOUNDING the ball

I'm not sure he is a great inbounder unfortunately. That hasn't gone well for him either in the last month.

Yea! Aka, have deuce or even Payne or shamet in there who can shoot instead of Hart
The lineup should have been Mikal inbounding, KAT, Mitch setting a pick to free up JB, OG
Stupid idiot of a coach

You would have ended up with Mitch shooting the ball.

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