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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#301 » by Clyde_Style » Sun May 11, 2025 4:36 pm

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LFGK wrote:It's amazing how the sky is falling after a loss, they were hot and hit 3's, but this but that idgaf. We are still up 2-1, all it takes is some effort, early on game 3 they missed some gummies that would have kept it close. They will come out with urgency game 4 and will prevail to a 3-1 lead, everyone chill.


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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#302 » by Kampuchea » Sun May 11, 2025 4:37 pm

Don’t want to see us changing the starting lineup, Mitch stays on the bench but could get brought in a bit earlier for Hart or Kat.
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Post#303 » by Iron Mantis » Sun May 11, 2025 4:43 pm

If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter
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Post#304 » by rajajackal » Sun May 11, 2025 4:47 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter

i agree with this sentiment. we very rarely have good starts on the scoreboard. feels like we're doing this: :banghead:
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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#305 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 11, 2025 4:48 pm

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They’re a really good defensive team. They’re making it really difficult. Especially for Brunson.


Yeah, they’ve got great perimeter defenders in Holiday and White, solid defenders in Brown and Tatum, and very good interior defense in Horford, Porzingis, and Kornet. Horford can even step out and defend the perimeter at his age.

To beat them we gotta make the game ugly. Gotta defend the 3pt line and force them to take more 2’s.

I’d start Mitch next to Towns and bring Hart off the bench. Own the boards. Play physical. Make them use the B!tch-A-Mitch strategy and get into the penalty early. While accumulating fouls among their starters. Sending Mitch to the foul line also disrupts game flow, which is crucial for 3pt shooters. Keep them out of rhythm.

Defensively, Mitch is solid on switches and has the length to defend smalls and contest shots on the perimeter.


i have concerns about the continuity and north-south without hart to start, but i understand the benefits.


I think Mitch needs to be brought in earlier in the 1st for Josh. Tom has gotta maximize as many mins with Mitch and KAT together as possible.

Defensively I need Brunson and KAT to be aggressive on the switch. Once the switch happens if your man is a shooter you have to get up on him and make sure you're in position to contest the three.

I don't care about long twos or lay ups. Do not give any of them day light on threes. No one should be open via double teams or guys getting lost on switches (KARL.)
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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#306 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun May 11, 2025 4:50 pm

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TheDavinciCHODE wrote:I'm not gonna overreact to one game...

but...

This is now 3 games where we've gone down BIG to this team, and the first two can easily be chalked up to luck with 3 point shooting from the Cs, though I think we played great defense in game 2 and boston made some really dumb decisions.

But if they start hitting 3s and a 40% clip we are cooked. I pray that we get up hard on shooters and Mitch can make a difference at the rim in the next game.

Going back 2-2 to Boston is not a good spot to be in. we gotta get game 4.


as ghostface said, “we gotta get ‘em, baby.”



we were amazingly flat on our rotations. whatever life and death urgency boston brought to game 3 needs to be recognized and matched.

we heard from our players that they are disappointed in themselves on this front. for one, I’d like to see us revisit an extension of the good quarters that I imagine influenced the bad shooting.

those shots were going in early even in the losses. improved execution, dogged intensity, respecting the margin for error, etc. probably helped us get that good fortune portion.

if they learned from games 1-3, I expect this to be a major component of the discussion. the guard JB seems to be on that. (the conversation being how do we play like that for more of the game.)

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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#307 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun May 11, 2025 4:51 pm

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LFGK wrote:It's amazing how the sky is falling after a loss, they were hot and hit 3's, but this but that idgaf. We are still up 2-1, all it takes is some effort, early on game 3 they missed some gummies that would have kept it close. They will come out with urgency game 4 and will prevail to a 3-1 lead, everyone chill.


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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#308 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 11, 2025 4:52 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter


The metrics regarding this group has been bad for months. I doubt Tom makes a change now unless Game 4 goes as bad or worse as game three, but Josh is a liability when he does what he did yesterday
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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#309 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun May 11, 2025 4:52 pm

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Yeah, they’ve got great perimeter defenders in Holiday and White, solid defenders in Brown and Tatum, and very good interior defense in Horford, Porzingis, and Kornet. Horford can even step out and defend the perimeter at his age.

To beat them we gotta make the game ugly. Gotta defend the 3pt line and force them to take more 2’s.

I’d start Mitch next to Towns and bring Hart off the bench. Own the boards. Play physical. Make them use the B!tch-A-Mitch strategy and get into the penalty early. While accumulating fouls among their starters. Sending Mitch to the foul line also disrupts game flow, which is crucial for 3pt shooters. Keep them out of rhythm.

Defensively, Mitch is solid on switches and has the length to defend smalls and contest shots on the perimeter.


i have concerns about the continuity and north-south without hart to start, but i understand the benefits.


I think Mitch needs to be brought in earlier in the 1st for Josh. Tom has gotta maximize as many mins with Mitch and KAT together as possible.

Defensively I need Brunson and KAT to be aggressive on the switch. Once the switch happens if your man is a shooter you have to get up on him and make sure you're in position to contest the three.

I don't care about long twos or lay ups. Do not give any of them day light on threes. No one should be open via double teams or guys getting lost on switches (KARL.)


we stunned them in moments where Brunson and KAT looked just as locked in defensively as wingy hut jr. not saying that as a shot. it was beautiful watching them fight on that end in Boston.
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Post#310 » by ctorres » Sun May 11, 2025 4:55 pm

Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter


I would be ok with Deuce over Josh

I think Mitch makes the most sense because if he starts, we are more likely to get the Celtics in the penalty very early, slow the game down, and get to the FT line a lot
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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#311 » by Ravenxvirall » Sun May 11, 2025 4:55 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter


The metrics regarding this group has been bad for months. I doubt Tom makes a change now unless Game 4 goes as bad or worse as game three, but Josh is a liability when he does what he did yesterday

Agree with this, the line up needs to change with hart out and Mitch in. We need to quit pretending josh hart is a 4 lmao it’s comical when we trot him out like he’s a big man.
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Post#312 » by JayTWill » Sun May 11, 2025 5:35 pm

I have been a little more critical of Hart this year. I was actually more disappointed with him defensively this year than offensively but I wish we got to see more lineups without him just to see how the offense would flow. For all we know playing Hart and Mitch despite their lack spacing in the starting lineup could be beneficial while just going back to the inefficient half-court offense that controlled the glass and hopefully turning defense into easier offense.

Hart has actually performed pretty well this postseason imo and the Knicks are doing better with him on the court but it is also pretty clear that the Celtics are not too concerned with Hart beating them and are ignoring him to give attention to others.

One of my biggest issues with the team this year is that we simply ran out the same lineup all year for as many minutes as possible. The starting 5 has not looked impressive on either end of the court for a while but we continued to play them together. We almost never saw the 5-out offense with the starters minus Hart and got a limited look at the 2 bigs together. Making a change at this point would just be a shot in the dark.
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Post#313 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 11, 2025 6:10 pm

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i have concerns about the continuity and north-south without hart to start, but i understand the benefits.


I think Mitch needs to be brought in earlier in the 1st for Josh. Tom has gotta maximize as many mins with Mitch and KAT together as possible.

Defensively I need Brunson and KAT to be aggressive on the switch. Once the switch happens if your man is a shooter you have to get up on him and make sure you're in position to contest the three.

I don't care about long twos or lay ups. Do not give any of them day light on threes. No one should be open via double teams or guys getting lost on switches (KARL.)


we stunned them in moments where Brunson and KAT looked just as locked in defensively as wingy hut jr. not saying that as a shot. it was beautiful watching them fight on that end in Boston.


Yeah it was. Yesterday we saw some mental slippage from the both of them.

They gotta lock in, know where the assignment is be decisive about their actions. OG had to yell at KAT because he left OGs man open on a switch when OG went after the ball handler.

Offensively, I am frustrated but the defense has to be on point tomorrow night. We have to stay honed in on all shooters.
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Re: PG: Not fun 

Post#314 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 11, 2025 6:12 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter


I would be ok with Deuce over Josh

I think Mitch makes the most sense because if he starts, we are more likely to get the Celtics in the penalty very early, slow the game down, and get to the FT line a lot


I would be too but I have to be realistic. Tom doesn't see anything wrong with how Josh hurts spacing and makes it harder for Brunson to operate when he is the screener. It is what it is right now but if Josh is going to hesitate on open shots he is hurting the team. He has to shoot with confidence regardless of outcome
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Post#315 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 11, 2025 6:14 pm

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Iron Mantis wrote:If the starting lineup is consistently finding you in a 10-point hole in the first 5 minutes then the starting lineup needs to change...

Start Mitch or another shooter


The metrics regarding this group has been bad for months. I doubt Tom makes a change now unless Game 4 goes as bad or worse as game three, but Josh is a liability when he does what he did yesterday

Agree with this, the line up needs to change with hart out and Mitch in. We need to quit pretending josh hart is a 4 lmao it’s comical when we trot him out like he’s a big man.


Josh is a good player but not the right fit as a starter. He should be our super 6th man.
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Post#316 » by Muskies97 » Sun May 11, 2025 6:17 pm

We don't talk enough about how much of a bricklayer Mikal has been from 3. We actually start 2 guys that shoot sub 30% on above the break 3s which is untenable in today's NBA.
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Post#317 » by Jeff Van Gully » Sun May 11, 2025 6:20 pm

Muskies97 wrote:We don't talk enough about how much of a bricklayer Mikal has been from 3. We actually start 2 guys that shoot sub 30% on above the break 3s which is untenable in today's NBA.


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Post#318 » by Red Vines » Sun May 11, 2025 6:34 pm

Instead of Captain Clutch we need Captain Complete Game. Bring the pitbull mentality to the start of the game and lead with that killer instinct. Also if you're going to host a podcast about the game how about you become a vocal leader during the game? We need PJ Tucker to do that? That's a roster spot that should've gone to a potential contributor. Keep teammates connected, huddle them up to regroup before the game is out of hand. If you're not the guy to do that then we need a guy to do that. But you have the skillset to do all of that.
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Post#319 » by JayTWill » Sun May 11, 2025 6:41 pm

Muskies97 wrote:We don't talk enough about how much of a bricklayer Mikal has been from 3. We actually start 2 guys that shoot sub 30% on above the break 3s which is untenable in today's NBA.


He has been atrocious with above the break 3's this year but he has also been highly efficient almost everywhere else on the court. I feel like they should be able to run a quality functional offense with him on the court although I think he really needs to be a more consistent shooter to be a better complimentary player.
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Post#320 » by HarthorneWingo » Sun May 11, 2025 6:44 pm

According to this video, OG kept motioning for Towns to come up to where the screens were being set at the 3-point line but Towns was hanging back which allowed the Celtics to get off those 3s.

To be fair, I think the a Celtics also hit some well defended 3 and some difficult 3s.

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