[Camelo Thread 14] - Minny, Denver and NY working!! p28

[god shammgod]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker support cast) was 42-29.

lebron is better then melo, we all know that. i know you don't like melo but why does giving up chandler instead of gallo change your opinion about getting him ? the truth is the cost of what we have to get rid of in the summer will be very similar to the cost of trading for him now. there's not much difference.

[stuporman]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker supporting cast) was 42-29.

That reason.. the Cavs are in the east..... Nugs are in the west. When the west top 8-9 teams have better records than all but 3-4 of the east teams you can see why it's a harder road through the playoffs out west....

[Pharmcat]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker supporting cast) was 42-29.

lbj > melo
west > east

your 2 reasons for that record disparity

[Justdatdude]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker support cast) was 42-29.

lebron is better then melo, we all know that. i know you don't like melo but why does giving up chandler instead of gallo change your opinion about getting him ? the truth is the cost of what we have to get rid of in the summer will be very similar to the cost of trading for him now. there's not much difference.

Some people are stuck in their beliefs and you can't convince them otherwise. He's going to ignore the fact that Denver plays in the West and Lebron plays in the East. He's going to ignore the fact that the Nuggets lost 4-1 to the Spurs two times and 4-2 to the Lakers once, which equals a combined 4-12 record for the Nuggets and those teams won the championship those years.

Lebron is better than Carmelo. Everyone knows that. It doesn't change the fact that the Nuggets are going up against much tougher competition in the first round then the Cavaliers are going against until the Cavaliers got to the Celtics and Magic.

Lebron and Melo have 1 playoff opponent in common and that's the 06-07 Spurs. The Spurs beat the Nuggets 4-1 and the Spurs beat the Cavaliers 4-0.

None of that matters to him. Last, but not least, a me-first player just won the last 2 final MVPs and its not because he's not a 'me-first' player. Meanwhile a team full of 'me-second' guys have a playoff record of 0-0 and those are the players rumored in the Carmelo deal. Go figure.

[NYK0605]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker supporting cast) was 42-29.

lol another bash post towards Melo from this mod.

Keep telling yourself that this team is a championship contender with role players like Gallo,Fields, Chandler and that all this team needs is a "big center".

[Context]

He's going to ignore the fact that Denver plays in the West and Lebron plays in the East. He's going to ignore the fact that the Nuggets lost 4-1 to the Spurs two times and 4-2 to the Lakers once, which equals a combined 4-12 record for the Nuggets and those teams won the championship those years.

Lebron is better than Carmelo. Everyone knows that. It doesn't change the fact that the Nuggets are going up against much tougher competition in the first round then the Cavaliers are going against until the Cavaliers got to the Celtics and Magic.

Lebron and Melo have 1 playoff opponent in common and that's the 06-07 Spurs. The Spurs beat the Nuggets 4-1 and the Spurs beat the Cavaliers 4-0.

None of that matters to him. Last, but not least, a me-first player just won the last 2 final MVPs and its not because he's not a 'me-first' player. Meanwhile a team full of 'me-second' guys have a playoff record of 0-0 and those are the players rumored in the Carmelo deal. Go figure.

Excellent post...

[NYK_Lampe]

This. So tired of fickle fans who start taking players off the trade table just cause of a stretch of good games. If they want Gallo, they can have him, but they're not getting 2 out of Gallo, Chandler, Fields.

And I'm equally tired of fans who think you win championships with me-first players. There's a reason that Denver's playoff record during Anthony's years was 16-30, whereas Cleveland (who arguably had the weaker supporting cast) was 42-29.

Melo played in the Western Conference usually matching up with the Lakers, San Antonio's and Dallas' of the world and often in the first round while LeBron played in the East knocking out teams like Atlanta, Toronto and Washington?

[j4remi]

Some people are stuck in their beliefs and you can't convince them otherwise. He's going to ignore the fact that Denver plays in the West and Lebron plays in the East. He's going to ignore the fact that the Nuggets lost 4-1 to the Spurs two times and 4-2 to the Lakers once, which equals a combined 4-12 record for the Nuggets and those teams won the championship those years.

Lebron is better than Carmelo. Everyone knows that. It doesn't change the fact that the Nuggets are going up against much tougher competition in the first round then the Cavaliers are going against until the Cavaliers got to the Celtics and Magic.

Lebron and Melo have 1 playoff opponent in common and that's the 06-07 Spurs. The Spurs beat the Nuggets 4-1 and the Spurs beat the Cavaliers 4-0.

None of that matters to him. Last, but not least, a me-first player just won the last 2 final MVPs and its not because he's not a 'me-first' player. Meanwhile a team full of 'me-second' guys have a playoff record of 0-0 and those are the players rumored in the Carmelo deal. Go figure.

One of my favorite posts addressing the Melo situation period. Great post, well said and thank God I'm not the only one that thinks people attacking Melo's playoff success should quit while they're ahead. His last three postseasons have been marked with elite level play that rivals ANYONE imo.

[Falstaffxx]

Of course we're not allowed to do that.

Future considerations.

Calling it "future considerations" still won't allow us to trade our 2011 pick I'm afraid. And if we tried to pretend it wasn't part of the Melo deal, the league would penalize us in two seconds flat.

[NYK_Lampe]

Some people are stuck in their beliefs and you can't convince them otherwise. He's going to ignore the fact that Denver plays in the West and Lebron plays in the East. He's going to ignore the fact that the Nuggets lost 4-1 to the Spurs two times and 4-2 to the Lakers once, which equals a combined 4-12 record for the Nuggets and those teams won the championship those years.

Lebron is better than Carmelo. Everyone knows that. It doesn't change the fact that the Nuggets are going up against much tougher competition in the first round then the Cavaliers are going against until the Cavaliers got to the Celtics and Magic.

Lebron and Melo have 1 playoff opponent in common and that's the 06-07 Spurs. The Spurs beat the Nuggets 4-1 and the Spurs beat the Cavaliers 4-0.

None of that matters to him. Last, but not least, a me-first player just won the last 2 final MVPs and its not because he's not a 'me-first' player. Meanwhile a team full of 'me-second' guys have a playoff record of 0-0 and those are the players rumored in the Carmelo deal. Go figure.

One of my favorite posts addressing the Melo situation period. Great post, well said and thank God I'm not the only one that thinks people attacking Melo's playoff success should quit while they're ahead. His last three postseasons have been marked with elite level play that rivals ANYONE imo.

+ over 9,000!

Kobe is definitely a "Me-First" player and look at his rings. Also that guy Michael whats his name....Jordan....also a "Me-First" player whether or not people want to believe it.

[K_ick_God]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

[GONYK]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

I think that is the point where Walsh would rather wait until the summer. If CAA is telling teams not to bother, and Minny is willing to take on Curry's deal and throw in a pick, why the hell should we trade 2 of our top 3 young players when we can get Melo in the summer?

If we trade 2 of the 3, something besides Melo is coming back.

[RHODEY]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem.

Problem, give up Gallo and I have a MAJOR problem.

[Falstaffxx]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

The notion that Fields will be a significantly better player than Gallo is surprising to me. I don't agree - in fact, I think Gallo will be a star. Do you realize Gallinari is actually a few months younger than Fields? But I've been wrong many times before.

[Justdatdude]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

I think that is the point where Walsh would rather wait until the summer. If CAA is telling teams not to bother, and Minny is willing to take on Curry's deal and throw in a pick, why the hell should we trade 2 of our top 3 young players when we can get Melo in the summer?

If we trade 2 of the 3, something besides Melo is coming back.

Two of the 3 should be mandatory for Melo. What 2 is up for negotiation, but 2 nonetheless.

[GONYK]

Two of the 3 should be mandatory for Melo. What 2 is up for negotiation, but 2 nonetheless.

Fine. Then we are getting a non-Harrington player back. Birdman will do.

[Justdatdude]

Two of the 3 should be mandatory for Melo. What 2 is up for negotiation, but 2 nonetheless.

Fine. Then we are getting a non-Harrington player back. Birdman will do.

We'll most likely get a player back regardless because if the Nuggets trade Melo, they might as well get rid of the players that won't be there for rebuilding purposes.

[NoLayupRule]

people are kidding themselves if they think we'll only give up chandler. if they want gallo or fields instead we'll give them up in a second. if they want more then one there might be a problem but we're not going to hold this up for just one of them.

Strategic mistake if we give up Fields to get Melo. Chandler and Gallo, no problem. Fields will be, if he's not already, the significantly better NBA player.

The notion that Fields will be a significantly better player than Gallo is surprising to me. I don't agree - in fact, I think Gallo will be a star. Do you realize Gallinari is actually a few months younger than Fields? But I've been wrong many times before.

I agree with this too.

I see Gallo improving steadily every year. Fields is a high IQ player and a great glue guy but I think Gallo has star potential where Fields I hope can basically be what he is now forever

[GONYK]

Two of the 3 should be mandatory for Melo. What 2 is up for negotiation, but 2 nonetheless.

Fine. Then we are getting a non-Harrington player back. Birdman will do.

We'll most likely get a player back regardless because if the Nuggets trade Melo, they might as well get rid of the players that won't be there for rebuilding purposes.

Then I'm cool with it

[Future Soldier]

yeah, Fields a star? I don't know about all that. He'll continue to get better at what he's good at already, while working on his jumper, but that won't make him a star. At best I can see him as a 12-14ppg, 6-7rpg type of player over the course of his career, which is not a knock on him at all. He's pretty much a huge piece of a championship puzzle and I want him here for the long haul.