Shumpert lighting up the Vegas League

[Falstaffxx]

Whatever. Some people here just want to argue. Stoudemire is not an average rebounder, if the amount of extra possessions the teams he has played on is taken into account. If you can add 0.7 to a SF's rpg number and you gives you 8 rpg, then that is pretty close to 8 rpg. It's closer to 7, but even 7 rpg for a SF is above average.

This means, if Fields and Shumpert are in the backcourt with Melo at the 3, that would be a good rebound 1-3 trio. The bigs still need to box out on the defensive glass. Backcourt players shouldn't need to assist on the boards often.

Anyway, not to hijack the thread. It's exciting to hear what Billups said about Shumpert. About wanting to make him a star. I'd like to see him run point one game. I think there are a lot of point guards in the league, so he has been playing off-the-ball to get some experience there. This stat line 18.5, 7, 5 with good defense is great, imo, even if it's just a fall league.

I notice you've elected not to expound on the "6.3 rebounds per game = almost 8" point.

[Falstaffxx]

And it's not about arguing - it's just stupid to make up random stuff and massively round everything your way in order to make a point. It doesn't contribute anything.

[KnicksScholar24]

Best stat to use for this debate is rebound rate--I don't have the time to post them now but will a little later.

This is correct. When Eddy Curry averaged 7 rebound in 35 minutes per game that is terrible for a C. 1 rebound every 5 minutes for a C or PF is unacceptable, especially if they are give up multiple offensive rebound per game by not boxing out.

Stoudemire's 8.2 rebs in 36.8 minutes (1 rebound every 4.5 minutes) isn't much better, especially if you consider the Knicks tempo is a lot higher now than it was when Eddy Curry was NY's first option.

But again, I don't want to divert the direction of this thread.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I love what I'm hearing about Chauncey's influence on Shumpert. But this is the time of year when every team gets excited about there prospects.

For the record, Stat is a bad rebounder and Isiah had nothing to do with Shumpert. Anyone that wants to hire Isiah in any capacity should get banned.

[KnicksScholar24]

And it's not about arguing - it's just stupid to make up random stuff and massively round everything your way in order to make a point. It doesn't contribute anything.

I wasn't rounding. As I stated, I remember him average around 8 rpg in Denver before the trade, and I figured he kept a similar pace in NY. I didn't know that he aveage 7.3 on the season, when I stated that, which is why I said close and not that he averaged 8 rpg. Acting like 7.3 rpg in nowhere "close" to 8 rpg is wrong. It does contribute something. Having backcourt player who can rebound can help a frontcourt with subpar rebounding bigs. That was what I was saying. Harping on 7.3 not being close to 8 doesn't contribute anything, or actually like 8.2 rebs in 36.8 mins is average for a big also doesn't contribute anything, other than perpetuating arguing.

Anyway, back to Shumpert. That's the last word from me about rebounding in this thread.

Good find on the Chancey Billups article by the way.

[j4remi]

I love what I'm hearing about Chauncey's influence on Shumpert. But this is the time of year when every team gets excited about there prospects.

For the record, Stat is a bad rebounder and Isiah had nothing to do with Shumpert. Anyone that wants to hire Isiah in any capacity should get banned.

Yeah that's plain ridiculous. I wish I had the patience to dig up Walsh talking about it, he basically said there was a lot of debate in the war room over Singleton vs Shumpert and he turned to D'antoni to make the decision. Mike made the final choice. I know some people would rather not hear that but I'm 99.9% sure I read that story on these boards.

[omerome]

I love what I'm hearing about Chauncey's influence on Shumpert. But this is the time of year when every team gets excited about there prospects.

For the record, Stat is a bad rebounder and Isiah had nothing to do with Shumpert. Anyone that wants to hire Isiah in any capacity should get banned.

Yeah that's plain ridiculous. I wish I had the patience to dig up Walsh talking about it, he basically said there was a lot of debate in the war room over Singleton vs Shumpert and he turned to D'antoni to make the decision. Mike made the final choice. I know some people would rather not hear that but I'm 99.9% sure I read that story on these boards.

I remember hearing that too.

As much as we get on D'Antoni, this was his pick and so far so good.

Here is an article from Newsday:

The Knicks still had a choice between two of their main targets, Iman Shumpert and Chris Singleton and Walsh said the decision was to go with Shumpert, the 6-6 guard, because he filled an area of need in the backcourt. Singleton is more of a forward and, with Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire, there won't be much opportunity for Singleton.

According to multiple sources, Walsh took a poll of the Knicks' war room, of all the scouts and basketball staff, and there was a split between Shumpert and Singleton. Walsh then turned to Mike D'Antoni, who said he wanted Shumpert. That's when Walsh declared, "Shumpert is the pick" and the selection was submitted.

http://mobile.newsday.com/inf/infomo;JS ... =1.2980981

[NYman15]

Yeah, I really don't think Isiah had much influence on the pick. As it was just posted, Mike had a big say in the decision and from a lot of reports, Iman had a fantastic workout with the Knicks that really opened their eyes.

[Knicks_Fan2]

I was happy, from the outset, that we didn't pick Singleton--I just don't think he fits with the squad we have.

[2010]

Singleton projects as a 1-way player. Shumpert projects as a 2-way player. Shumpert also fills positions of need (1/2 positions, where as Singleton plays the 3/4 positions where our franchise players reside). I believe we drafted the right guy.

[Falstaffxx]

Singleton projects as a 1-way player. Shumpert projects as a 2-way player. Shumpert also fills positions of need (1/2 positions, where as Singleton plays the 3/4 positions where our franchise players reside). I believe we drafted the right guy.

Agreed. We really needed a guard and a 4/5 (not a 3/4).

[KnickelandDime]

In an ideal world there would be something like a 75 mill hardish cap (with some one time exceptions and amnesty clauses) and we are able to get a big three (Paul, Melo, Stat) with some key pieces around them (Shumpert, Turiaf Douglas and Fields) and then a whole slew of vet min guys (Williams, Foster/Brown, A Parker).
PG) Paul, Douglas
SG) Shumpert, A Parker
SF) Melo, Fields
PF) STAT, Williams
C) Turiaf, Foster, Jorts

that roster wins 60 games a year though we'd probably have to trade Fields or Shumpert before they get past their rookie deals.

[Falstaffxx]

I don't think this got posted yet:

Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert Put On A SHOW During Impact Day 7; John Wall, OJ Mayo & More!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjPHTgs8P0&feature=share

[NYman15]

I was just gonna post that video. Iman had some amazing dunks. Kid is extremely athletic. He really seems to be impressing everyone.

[knicksosmoove]

I don't think this got posted yet:

Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert Put On A SHOW During Impact Day 7; John Wall, OJ Mayo & More!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjPHTgs8P0&feature=share

Slightly (okay, completely) off topic, but . . .

No one ever talks about this for some reason, but Rudy Gay and my other favorite bright star among small forwards, Kevin Durant, do not have strong handle. This kind of illustrates my problem with the way basketball is analyzed in the media these days, players are described as "efficient" and "dominant" and stuff like that which really doesn't do much toward describing their actual games. I've NEVER heard the media bring up Durant's handle (in fact I've heard it suggested that he could play point forward, which is complete crap), but doesn't everyone learn when they're like 8 that if you have strong handle your man can't play you close? And yet Durant's man always plays him close because he knows Durant won't cross him over, and somehow people still wonder why Durant isn't the best "closer" in the league . . .

Um, relating this to the thread: bad Iman for letting Gay beat you off the dribble.

[eviL]

Wow, that windmill was straight NASTY!

[Jay10]

I don't think this got posted yet:

Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert Put On A SHOW During Impact Day 7; John Wall, OJ Mayo & More!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjPHTgs8P0&feature=share

iman really showed how much he hates the rim with the left-handed windmill at the 1:55 mark.

i would like to have a moment of silence for the rim

[Lord Commander]

I don't think this got posted yet:

Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert Put On A SHOW During Impact Day 7; John Wall, OJ Mayo & More!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjPHTgs8P0&feature=share

Jeezus... Shump does looks good

[moocow007]

I don't think this got posted yet:

Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert Put On A SHOW During Impact Day 7; John Wall, OJ Mayo & More!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzjPHTgs8P0&feature=share

iman really showed how much he hates the rim with the left-handed windmill at the 1:55 mark.

i would like to have a moment of silence for the rim

Yeah that was a postcard dunk...definitely a 10.

[KnicksScholar24]

@ Rudy Gay & Iman Shumpert put on a SHOW video...