Draftexpress drops Mudiay down to pick #6 today

[god shammgod]

That's part of why I think he'll do it.

Heat kind of have a connundrum between him and Dragic. WT says Riles' offer to Wade starts at 10 mil. We start him at 13 and that's 55 mil over four years. I think he walks.

That contract would be disastrous. Wade has maybe 2 good years left.

I know. I'm hoping for the best but preparing for the Knicks.

that's a fantastic statement. well done sir.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

The ONLY reason that I would want Wade is because of this Knicks curse. If he left Miami because they did him so dirty and signs with us, perhaps our curse will get transferred to them and we'll finally be set free. Other than that, Wade is on course to become the next Tmac so why tf do y'all want him on a multi year contract?

[moocow007]

The ONLY reason that I would want Wade is because of this Knicks curse. If he left Miami because they did him so dirty and signs with us, perhaps our curse will get transferred to them and we'll finally be set free. Other than that, Wade is on course to become the next Tmac so why tf do y'all want him on a multi year contract?

That or Wade becomes Antonio McDyess 2.0 and gets his knees taken out during a preseason game by Lance Thomas. Sure at least this won't cost a pick, but still, it'll lock up big salary for a lot of years.

[Deeeez Knicks]

PLEASE no Wade. The only way he would come is if we overpay. Risking the next 4 years on Wade staying healthy is not a good gamble.

[moocow007]

PLEASE no Wade. The only way he would come is if we overpay. Risking the next 4 years on Wade staying healthy is not a good gamble.

Agreed.

[xNewYorkMadex]

I think Wade has 2 solid years in him tops.

I dont want to say hes washed up, cause he isnt. Dude can still play and one of the best SG's in the league when hes healthy. Still a good defender and would provide great leadership in the locker room. But with Wade you know the guy is going to miss anywhere between 15-25 games during the season.

I really wouldnt mind Wade on a short but respectable deal, but nah no way should we give him 4 years or throw a bunch of $ at him.

[moocow007]

What also makes it a bit difficult is that unless Wade declines his player option he technically can't be speaking to any other team. So it's not like the Knicks or any other team can propose a 2 year $40 million deal (for example) to get him to opt out.

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

Doesn't matter who we pick, Phil will get killed on the boards anyway and we'll cry about... Whatever.

[moocow007]

Doesn't matter who we pick, Phil will get killed on the boards anyway and we'll cry about... Whatever.

Not sure what board you're looking at but it appears that the vast majority expect him to take whomever is left of Towns, Okafor, Russell or Mudiay. You have a handful of guys that want Winslow, a couple that what Hezonja and one that wants WCS. But I would guestimate that about 90-95% of this board want the leftover of the top 4. I would assume that that's also the general consensus among the overall Knick fan base. IF Jackson cares about fan reactions (and he may not rightly or wrongly) he would take whomever is left. Very few people will blame him if he takes Mudiay and someone picked later pans out to be better. He will get crucified by the masses if he passes on Mudiay for someone else and Mudiay becomes better. Again, he can pick whomever he wants but the safe pick is whomever is left of the 4.

[mpharris36]

What also makes it a bit difficult is that unless Wade declines his player option he technically can't be speaking to any other team. So it's not like the Knicks or any other team can propose a 2 year $40 million deal (for example) to get him to opt out.

Melo and Wade are best friends and they can talk. So I am sure Phil could throw out a few deals that Melo can talk to wade about

[moocow007]

What also makes it a bit difficult is that unless Wade declines his player option he technically can't be speaking to any other team. So it's not like the Knicks or any other team can propose a 2 year $40 million deal (for example) to get him to opt out.

Melo and Wade are best friends and they can talk. So I am sure Phil could throw out a few deals that Melo can talk to wade about

Would you be ok with Wade on a 2 year $40 million deal? I would imagine that would be about the minimum it would take.

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

Doesn't matter who we pick, Phil will get killed on the boards anyway and we'll cry about... Whatever.

Not sure what board you're looking at but it appears that the vast majority expect him to take whomever is left of Towns, Okafor, Russell or Mudiay. You have a handful of guys that want Winslow, a couple that what Hezonja and one that wants WCS. But I would guestimate that about 90-95% of this board want the leftover of the top 4. I would assume that that's also the general consensus among the overall Knick fan base. IF Jackson cares about fan reactions (and he may not rightly or wrongly) he would take whomever is left. Very few people will blame him if he takes Mudiay and someone picked later pans out to be better. He will get crucified by the masses if he passes on Mudiay for someone else and Mudiay becomes better. Again, he can pick whomever he wants but the safe pick is whomever is left of the 4.

I'm on this board dude check the name.

All I'm saying is you can't make everyone happy. Everyone needs to chill out like they have a crystal ball.

We don't know who the best player is in this draft and as others have said we're not in the gym during these workouts. So, yes, if he does pass on Mudiay and takes a Winslow some will rejoice others will call for his head.

If it's not Russell, Towns or Oak the board will say 'Phil should have done this' or 'that' (some want to trade down). Not sure what board you're looking at , but you're saying this as if our boards are known for a bunch of yes men, we all have strong opinions . Not everyone is sold on Mudiay - heck not everyone is sold on Oak from what I've read on these boards this year.

Never said PJ cares about what knick fans/"realgm's" think and quite frankly if he did, THEN I'd be worried.

[mpharris36]

What also makes it a bit difficult is that unless Wade declines his player option he technically can't be speaking to any other team. So it's not like the Knicks or any other team can propose a 2 year $40 million deal (for example) to get him to opt out.

Melo and Wade are best friends and they can talk. So I am sure Phil could throw out a few deals that Melo can talk to wade about

Would you be ok with Wade on a 2 year $40 million deal? I would imagine that would be about the minimum it would take.

I wouldn't. Didn't I hear Riley's extension is starting at 10 million a year or something like that?

Basically what I am saying if Wade locks me into a 3rd star (big). Then yes I would consider something in the 15 million a year range (assuming we can get rid of calderon to then have another max spot to land another player). Like a contingency.

Melo and Wade would not be enough. But if its Melo, Wade, and Gasol or Aldridge.

That would be something to consider at least no?

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

PLEASE no Wade. The only way he would come is if we overpay. Risking the next 4 years on Wade staying healthy is not a good gamble.

Yeah that's risky business, if he wants to sign for the cheap sure, but I don't know I think I'd rather give Carroll/Green that money.

[ORANGEandBLUE]

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

He doesn't have Westbrook/Wall LEAPING ability, but he is on par in terms of lateral quickness and cutting/shifting. His handle and elusiveness are special, for his age, and he has the physical make-up to be no worse than average at most other aspects of the game.

[god shammgod]

Melo and Wade are best friends and they can talk. So I am sure Phil could throw out a few deals that Melo can talk to wade about

Would you be ok with Wade on a 2 year $40 million deal? I would imagine that would be about the minimum it would take.

I wouldn't. Didn't I hear Riley's extension is starting at 10 million a year or something like that?

Basically what I am saying if Wade locks me into a 3rd star (big). Then yes I would consider something in the 15 million a year range (assuming we can get rid of calderon to then have another max spot to land another player). Like a contingency.

Melo and Wade would not be enough. But if its Melo, Wade, and Gasol or Aldridge.

That would be something to consider at least no?

you're gonna have to pay someone to get rid of jose in your scenario

[Iron Mantis]

Winslow > Mudiay

Why?

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

The kid was just 18yo and was doing of all of that among grown men. What makes you think he will not get even BETTER?

[NevaGivinKnixUp]

Would you be ok with Wade on a 2 year $40 million deal? I would imagine that would be about the minimum it would take.

I wouldn't. Didn't I hear Riley's extension is starting at 10 million a year or something like that?

Basically what I am saying if Wade locks me into a 3rd star (big). Then yes I would consider something in the 15 million a year range (assuming we can get rid of calderon to then have another max spot to land another player). Like a contingency.

Melo and Wade would not be enough. But if its Melo, Wade, and Gasol or Aldridge.

That would be something to consider at least no?

you're gonna have to pay someone to get rid of jose in your scenario

Got them 2nd rders on deck!

[NOOB77]

Would you be ok with Wade on a 2 year $40 million deal? I would imagine that would be about the minimum it would take.

I wouldn't. Didn't I hear Riley's extension is starting at 10 million a year or something like that?

Basically what I am saying if Wade locks me into a 3rd star (big). Then yes I would consider something in the 15 million a year range (assuming we can get rid of calderon to then have another max spot to land another player). Like a contingency.

Melo and Wade would not be enough. But if its Melo, Wade, and Gasol or Aldridge.

That would be something to consider at least no?

you're gonna have to pay someone to get rid of jose in your scenario

Package him with the 4th pick and move down in the draft....If we can sign 2 max players and we have a wink wink deal in place then moving Calderon with the 4th pick would not be hard.

[BeagleBoss]

Why?

Saw all Mudiay games and he just didn't win me over. He's too average and does nothing special and I don't see a future star at all. He doesn't have that Westbrook/Wall athleticism, he had issues finishing in the paint against CBA bigs, too many careless turnovers and meh courtvision and he just didn't stand out in a awful league. I don't think Winslow will be a star either but he'll be the better pro.

Being 4th stinks.

The kid was just 18yo and was doing of all of that among grown men. What makes you think he will not get even BETTER?

I hate that dumb term, "grown men." Those "grown men" were awful AWFUL players.

Of course Mudiay can get better. So can everyone else!