PG Thread: Making The Knicks Great Again

[dakomish23]

In the KOQ vs Willie debate, I think both bring different positives. KOQ is the better shot blocker and rebounder. Willie is far advanced offensively.

The one positive they share is the most important one: they both seem to play well with KP.

They're both on very cheap deals for the next couple of years. Having both is a good problem to have.

[Fat Kat]

In the KOQ vs Willie debate, I think both bring different positives. KOQ is the better shot blocker and rebounder. Willie is far advanced offensively.

The one positive they share is the most important one: they both seem to play well with KP.

They're both on very cheap deals for the next couple of years. Having both is a good problem to have.

Yep. As long as we can keep Noah's minutes down.

[dakomish23]

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Thanks for posting! That was fun to watch. Only other thing I'd love to have seen is a Jennings highlight video.

Everyone on the bench goes nuts when someone has it going offensively or makes a big play. But the reaction from Melo Lee and Noah when KP blocked Hamilton from behind was awesome.

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Random question, but does anyone know if Noah is on minutes restriction for any reason ? He's at about 23MPG on the season, and other than the game at Chicago, he hasn't been over 30 minutes.

No. The issue is that he and KP can't really play together against teams with a stretch 4. KP doesn't get out on the perimeter well enough. Plus, he's had some foul issues in a few games.

There is a reason that he registered so many mins against Chicago.

Is Noah/KP really that different then Willy/KP or KOQ/KP?

I think Hornacek is mostly trying to preserve him.

That's what I'm thinking as well, but that may be a little too much preservation. For the contract the Knicks gave him, he needs to play more and find a way to be more impactful offensively(as in scoring a little better).

I'm just not seeing it as a KP/Noah not being able to cover stretch fours. Most teams have a stretch four these days, and it just wouldn't make sense to play Noah so little because of that. I think the reason Noah(and Rose) both registered their season highs in minutes, and played so well was moreso because of a personal vendetta going in.

[3toheadmelo]

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Thanks for posting! That was fun to watch. Only other thing I'd love to have seen is a Jennings highlight video.

Everyone on the bench goes nuts when someone has it going offensively or makes a big play. But the reaction from Melo Lee and Noah when KP blocked Hamilton from behind was awesome.

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[Jeff Van Gully]

This is the 2nd time that this ESPN chick has eaten crow lol

I love when she does Knicks games on ESPN, talks trash before the game and then has her trap shut after. Talk now sweetheart

beadle? she just wants to get fugged.

[Jeff Van Gully]

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[Rotten Apple]

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[dakomish23]

BSPN recap

NEW YORK -- Carmelo Anthony wasn't making enough shots and the Brooklyn Nets weren't missing many.

Once that changed, the Knicks had an easy time in the first matchup this season between the New York rivals.

Anthony scored 14 of his 22 points in the third quarter and Kristaps Porzingis added 21 in the Knicks' 110-96 victory Wednesday night.

Rookie center Willy Hernangomez had a season-best 14 points, Derrick Rose also scored 14 and New York climbed out of a 14-point hole by holding the Nets to 27.5 percent shooting in the second half.

"Our bench guys were great," Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek said. "They came in there, brought the energy, Melo got hot there in that third quarter and was rolling, so great second half for our guys to see what putting pressure and getting after it defensively can do for your team."

Brook Lopez and Justin Hamilton each scored 21 points for the Nets, who wilted on the second night of back-to-back games after a strong first half. Normally a good fourth-quarter team, they were outscored 38-25 while struggling to run their offense without an experienced NBA point guard.

New York, which came in allowing 109.8 points per game to rank 26th in the league, had more problems on that end in the first half but dominated the second.

And the Knicks got strong performances off their bench, with Brandon Jennings posting 11 assists and Hernangomez shooting 6 for 7.

The Nets, who set season highs for points and shooting percentage (55.3 percent) in their 119-110 victory over Minnesota on Tuesday, shot 55 percent in the first half and led 55-50.

Then Anthony, just 3 for 11 at halftime, had a baseline drive with the Knicks down nine and then turned to his jumper. He made five of them and then a pair of free throws, putting up 14 points in the final 5 minutes to give the Knicks a 72-71 lead.

"But even after that stretch it was a one-point game," Nets coach Kenny Atkinson said. "Then I felt like the real difference was again their bench coming in and just took us out of our stuff."

Hernangomez provided a spark before Porzingis made a pair of 3-pointers and threw down a dunk while getting fouled as the lead grew to 92-78.

"Melo got it going. He probably had like 10 or 12 straight at one point, so that kind of just enlightened the whole team," Jennings said. "And then we were just taking care of the defensive end and then just finding KP coming down for transition 3s and then he got an and-1 dunk, so we were just clicking tonight."

TIP-INS

Nets: Brooklyn opened a five-game trip by falling to 0-3 on the road. ... Sean Kilpatrick made his first career start in his 43rd game. He came in averaging 16.6 points, tops among reserves.

Knicks: New York improved to 93-91 against the Nets. Brooklyn had won six of eight meetings over the previous two seasons.

[3toheadmelo]

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Thanks for posting! That was fun to watch. Only other thing I'd love to have seen is a Jennings highlight video.

Everyone on the bench goes nuts when someone has it going offensively or makes a big play. But the reaction from Melo Lee and Noah when KP blocked Hamilton from behind was awesome.

No problem bro
And I gotchu with a bj vid

Watch on YouTube

I wonder if Hornacek has been working with Jennings. On the one three he hit last night, his weird leg kick was less exaggerated

[gavran]

The Knicks were almost beat by the Sherminator, but the Euros came to the rescue. They need an all-Euro lineup.

[Buttah304]

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

You know for a FACT that Lance is not a good defender. He gained weight this year and looks to have the biggest issues moving laterally. His defense is a facade and you should be seeing this.

The other biggest problem with Lance is that he literally jumps like he has 30 pound weights in his shoes. How else can you possibly explain air balling floaters?

Kyle - okay from time to time he plays well but ONLY when he is motivated to do so. If you want to play someone who might or might not be aggressive that day then by all means you have the opinion to feel that way. I just think your wanting to see something that your eyes are not actually witnessing.

i didn't realize that knowing something for a fact was determined by using the caps lock key

or misusing the word literally

Are you that sensitive? I mean seriously? I told you that I thought you were seeing something else and you offered nothing in return but a childish response.

[NoLayupRule]

You know for a FACT that Lance is not a good defender. He gained weight this year and looks to have the biggest issues moving laterally. His defense is a facade and you should be seeing this.

The other biggest problem with Lance is that he literally jumps like he has 30 pound weights in his shoes. How else can you possibly explain air balling floaters?

Kyle - okay from time to time he plays well but ONLY when he is motivated to do so. If you want to play someone who might or might not be aggressive that day then by all means you have the opinion to feel that way. I just think your wanting to see something that your eyes are not actually witnessing.

i didn't realize that knowing something for a fact was determined by using the caps lock key

or misusing the word literally

Are you that sensitive? I mean seriously? I told you that I thought you were seeing something else and you offered nothing in return but a childish response.

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

[OnTheWagon]

i didn't realize that knowing something for a fact was determined by using the caps lock key

or misusing the word literally

Are you that sensitive? I mean seriously? I told you that I thought you were seeing something else and you offered nothing in return but a childish response.

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

[MP4LIFE]

Not sure about anyone else but this game didn't inspire any confidence. Actually all it made me do is realize how boring and soft we are. And I was tuned out midway through the game. Probably the earliest I've started turning out games in a season.

If anyone here honestly thinks Rambis is making a difference on defense then I don't know what to say.

[thebuzzardman]

Are you that sensitive? I mean seriously? I told you that I thought you were seeing something else and you offered nothing in return but a childish response.

actually I responded to your post at the level of insight that your post provided

Lance Thomas is literally the best defender on this team. This is a FACT

see?

His defense has been fine. Its the teams defense that has been terrible. Noah is one of the best defenders in the league and he's been average. Lee has been pretty good and he's simply an excellent defender.

Lance has never been a great offensive player
his shot not falling isn't something shocking

While I'm not a big fan of Lance, the amount of scapegoating that has been put on him is insane. Things like guys being unsure where to direct their man, where their help is or whether they should help/stay/switch are dependent on familiarity and practice. Having a good coach helps too, but it's certainly not all on them.

When you watch a team like the Spurs, as soon as someone gets beat (whether on a pump fake, drive, etc..) there is an immediate response by the 4 other guys that buy the beaten man time to get back into the play. They all move in concert together. It's not always perfect, but in my opinion there is FAR too much emphasis being put on individual guys.

I just finished watching the Nets game.

Don't they have a bunch of new guys too?

Their defense looks more cohesive than the Knicks. It just stood out. Not that they are individually better defenders, but all their defenders are more decisive in their actions. Their defense also tries to dictate the other team possession at times instead of reacting.

I can't single out one play, just that the thought came to me while watching and it seemed pretty self evident.

[whocares1]

Not sure about anyone else but this game didn't inspire any confidence. Actually all it made me do is realize how boring and soft we are. And I was tuned out midway through the game. Probably the earliest I've started turning out games in a season.

If anyone here honestly thinks Rambis is making a difference on defense then I don't know what to say.

Don't watch the games then. We don't care.

[TrueWarrior]